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    1) Chris Long DE
    2) Tracy Porter CB
    2) Tony Hills LT
    3) Adarius Bowman WR
    4) Vince hall LB
    6) Will Arnold G
    7) Darrien Williams S

    chris long creates the pass rush we need to stop the run.

    tracy porter provides speed and athletiscm to our dying SECONDARY.

    tony hills gives us good depth and may be our starting RT, could be great with coaching.

    ADarius Bowman falls to us luckly. Provides speed body frame and good game experience at our weak WR posistion.

    Vince Hall is a proven LB who played against tough RBs.. hits like wood has speed and has vision.

    will arnold falls because of game play but fits us perfect because is a proven GUARD woh played good DLman.

    darrien williams falls to us because of injuries and playing time but gives us a sleeper S who gives us depth and can start.. has good body movement and plays strong

  • #2
    Originally posted by dolfan View Post
    1) Chris Long DE
    2) Tracy Porter CB
    2) Tony Hills LT
    3) Adarius Bowman WR
    4) Vince hall LB
    6) Will Arnold G
    7) Darrien Williams S

    chris long creates the pass rush we need to stop the run.

    tracy porter provides speed and athletiscm to our dying SECONDARY.

    tony hills gives us good depth and may be our starting RT, could be great with coaching.

    ADarius Bowman falls to us luckly. Provides speed body frame and good game experience at our weak WR posistion.

    Vince Hall is a proven LB who played against tough RBs.. hits like wood has speed and has vision.

    will arnold falls because of game play but fits us perfect because is a proven GUARD woh played good DLman.

    darrien williams falls to us because of injuries and playing time but gives us a sleeper S who gives us depth and can start.. has good body movement and plays strong

    I dont see any way Vince Hall falls out of the 2nd round, and at the very least he's a mid 3rd rounder. No way he drops to the 4th.

    Will Arnold in the 6th? Please. He could go going as high as the 3rd/4th at this point.

    Darien Williams has too much upside to last til round 7. He's another mid round candidate.

    You have way, way too many guys falling way to far for this to be realistic. I mean, Porter, Hills, Bowman and Hall are all guys that are looking right now like they could line up to be taken in the 2nd round. Yet you have us getting all those guys as low as the 4th.

    I think something more realistic goes like this:

    1- Chris Long, DE/OLB, Virginia
    2a- Chris Williams, LT, Vanderbilt
    2b- Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy
    3- DJ Hall, WR, Alabama
    4- Jason Shirley, DT, Frenso State
    6- Curtis Gatewood, LB, Vanderbilt
    7- Andrew Bain, OG, Miami (FL)

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    • #3
      Hall doesn't fit our system, almost no way bowman falls out of 2nd round, hills doesn't look like the big offensive tackle type we usually go after, will arnold will probably go undrafted because he cannot play every snap anymore because he has very bad knees, and darien williams lost his starting FS spot this season and when he is in there he gets burned way more often than not.

      Other than that its GREAT!

      Really man, I would probably shank myself if we drafted like that.

      My more realistic draft goes like this:

      Round 1) Vernon Gholston, OLB, Ohio State
      Round 2a) Dre Moore, NT, Maryland
      Round 2b) Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt
      Round 3) Trae Williams, CB, South Florida
      Round 4) Tavares Gooden, ILB, Miami
      Round 6) Steve Johnson, WR, Kentucky
      Round 7) Derrick Morse, OG, Miami

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      • #4
        Originally posted by thebow305 View Post
        Hall doesn't fit our system, almost no way bowman falls out of 2nd round, hills doesn't look like the big offensive tackle type we usually go after, will arnold will probably go undrafted because he cannot play every snap anymore because he has very bad knees, and darien williams lost his starting FS spot this season and when he is in there he gets burned way more often than not.

        Other than that its GREAT!

        Really man, I would probably shank myself if we drafted like that.

        My more realistic draft goes like this:

        Round 1) Vernon Gholston, OLB, Ohio State
        Round 2a) Dre Moore, NT, Maryland
        Round 2b) Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt
        Round 3) Trae Williams, CB, South Florida
        Round 4) Tavares Gooden, ILB, Miami
        Round 6) Steve Johnson, WR, Kentucky
        Round 7) Derrick Morse, OG, Miami
        Please, tell me, what exactly is realistic about Gholston going number 2 overall? Not gonna happen. Tavares Gooden? Is that serious? He's a cover 2 WLB in the NFL. Parcells loves the 3-4 and loves having big LBs. No way we draft Gooden. Last I checked, Derrick Morse was going back to Miami because he got a medical redshirt. He's not even gonna be in this draft.
        Steve Johnson is going way before round 6.

        The only realistic picks you have are Dre Moore, Chris Williams and Trae Williams.

        Can't believe you told that guy Hall doesn't fit our system and then left the need to list Tavares Gooden. Neither fit our system but Hall is far and away closer then Gooden is. At least Hall can play ILB. Oh and you do realise that Gooden is going in the 1st day.
        Last edited by Joeyjr09; 01-05-2008, 10:03 AM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Joeyjr09 View Post
          Please, tell me, what exactly is realistic about Gholston going number 2 overall? Not gonna happen. Tavares Gooden? Is that serious? He's a cover 2 WLB in the NFL. Parcells loves the 3-4 and loves having big LBs. No way we draft Gooden. Last I checked, Derrick Morse was going back to Miami because he got a medical redshirt. He's not even gonna be in this draft.
          Steve Johnson is going way before round 6.

          The only realistic picks you have are Dre Moore, Chris Williams and Trae Williams.

          Can't believe you told that guy Hall doesn't fit our system and then left the need to list Tavares Gooden. Neither fit our system but Hall is far and away closer then Gooden is. At least Hall can play ILB. Oh and you do realise that Gooden is going in the 1st day.
          You have to be one of the most unknowledgeable posters on this site....and you prove it time and time again.

          Gooden is not a weakside backer, he is strongside is anything. But he has played all three positions at Miami. He has the speed to do it, as I believe he ran as fast as in the high 4.4's this past offseason in workouts at UM. He played Weakside his sophomore year, then he gained some weight and played strongside his junior year, then got even bigger and played MLB at Miami this year, and did a DAMN good job at it. He isn't a good fit at MLB in a 3-4 like Parcells likes? Ok... who was one of Parcells MLB's in Dallas in HIS 3-4?? Bradie James, who happens to be one of the best in the league. What is his size you ask??? 6'2" 239 lbs. What is Gooden's size?? I'll answer that one for you. 6'2" 238. And yes he may go sooner than that, but players always fall that you don't expect, that is being realistic, if you don't get that, you are far more ignorant than I thought, and THAT is saying something. That also goes for Steve Johnson as well, who no one nows exactly at this point where he might end up. Scott has him ranked as the number 17 wideout right now and that would put him squarely around the 4-6 round range possibly.

          You want me to tell you what is realistic about Gholston going to us at number 1?? The question I propose to you is, what isn't realistic about it?? He is Parcell's favorite type of player, the hybrid, who he drafted in NE with McGinest, who he had in New York with LT, and who he drafted in Dallas at number 10 with DaMarcus Ware. And judging on how successful they have been, combined with the recent success of more hybrids such as Merriman, our own Joey Porter, or Julian Peterson to name a few, it isn't hard to see why this could be the choice. Throw in the fact you have Chris Long as our possible pick and have him listed the same as a DE/OLB, and Gholston is much faster and stronger, it only seems the most realistic to me, but you be the judge, I guess.

          Real smart post, you continue to amaze me. Just stop.
          Last edited by thebow305; 01-05-2008, 11:33 AM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by thebow305 View Post
            Hall doesn't fit our system, almost no way bowman falls out of 2nd round, hills doesn't look like the big offensive tackle type we usually go after, will arnold will probably go undrafted because he cannot play every snap anymore because he has very bad knees, and darien williams lost his starting FS spot this season and when he is in there he gets burned way more often than not.

            Other than that its GREAT!

            Really man, I would probably shank myself if we drafted like that.

            My more realistic draft goes like this:

            Round 1) Vernon Gholston, OLB, Ohio State
            Round 2a) Dre Moore, NT, Maryland
            Round 2b) Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt
            Round 3) Trae Williams, CB, South Florida
            Round 4) Tavares Gooden, ILB, Miami
            Round 6) Steve Johnson, WR, Kentucky
            Round 7) Derrick Morse, OG, Miami
            I dont see Gholston as a number 1 overall type talent. Honestly I would rather have Jake Long and be sure of our oline for the next decade then Gholston reached for. Even though I think he is a nice player but too many ??? for him there but maybe that is me personally. Still I would like him there better then Chris Long at least.

            Dre Moore makes my "toes tingle"

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            • #7
              Originally posted by thebow305 View Post
              You have to be one of the most unknowledgeable posters on this site....and you prove it time and time again.

              Gooden is not a weakside backer, he is strongside is anything. But he has played all three positions at Miami. He has the speed to do it, as I believe he ran as fast as in the high 4.4's this past offseason in workouts at UM. He played Weakside his sophomore year, then he gained some weight and played strongside his junior year, then got even bigger and played MLB at Miami this year, and did a DAMN good job at it. He isn't a good fit at MLB in a 3-4 like Parcells likes? Ok... who was one of Parcells MLB's in Dallas in HIS 3-4?? Bradie James, who happens to be one of the best in the league. What is his size you ask??? 6'2" 239 lbs. What is Gooden's size?? I'll answer that one for you. 6'2" 238.
              So just because Bradie James and Tavares Gooden are the same size, suddenly they are the same player. Playing MLB at Miami and playing ILB in Bill Parcells 3-4 are two completely different things. Ask Jon Vilma, he'll show you. Gooden is a cover-2 OLB in the NFL. WLB or SLB can be debated but he is a cover-2 OLB. Look at the recent tradition of Cane backers, Vilma, DJ, Morgan, Beason are all excelling in cover 2 style systems. As soon as the Jets went to a 3-4, Vilma game dropped off. That is the type of backer the Canes use and the type of backer they produce. Gooden isn't a 3-4 backer, plain and simple. Bradie James while smaller then a typical 3-4 LB has a style of play that fits well in the 3-4. Gooden doesn't fit with it at all.

              Originally posted by thebow305 View Post
              That also goes for Steve Johnson as well, who no one nows exactly at this point where he might end up. Scott has him ranked as the number 17 wideout right now and that would put him squarely around the 4-6 round range possibly.
              You wanna know where the 17th WR went last season? Round 3. But good job, this year you have him going all the way in round 6. Very realistic.

              Originally posted by thebow305 View Post
              You want me to tell you what is realistic about Gholston going to us at number 1?? The question I propose to you is, what isn't realistic about it?? He is Parcell's favorite type of player, the hybrid, who he drafted in NE with McGinest, who he had in New York with LT, and who he drafted in Dallas at number 10 with DaMarcus Ware. And judging on how successful they have been, combined with the recent success of more hybrids such as Merriman, our own Joey Porter, or Julian Peterson to name a few, it isn't hard to see why this could be the choice. Throw in the fact you have Chris Long as our possible pick and have him listed the same as a DE/OLB, and Gholston is much faster and stronger, it only seems the most realistic to me, but you be the judge, I guess.
              I haven't seen a mock draft by anyone all season that has Gholston in the top 5. Much less at number 1. Chris Long on the other hand has been going consistently in the top 3 and has been number 1 overall several different times. Let's you know what people are thinking about these guys. Not to mention Chris Long is coming off a better season, arguably the best season by a D player this year. And he has NFL ties which will help him handle the change in way of life better which makes him a safer pick and the fact he is seen as a better prospect all around. You can see why Chris Long is rated as the better prospect.

              Besides don't act like you really thought Gholston is a number 1 overall guy. You were pulling for him after last year's draft after you thought we were gonna have a decent season and a middle of the 1st pick.

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              • #8
                Do you have a link or something to Morse coming back? I didn't hear anything about that.

                As for some of the other stuff, I'd be very shocked to see Vince Hall go in the 2nd, 3/4 makes much more sense and depending on which junior backers come out I'd expect he should be there around the top of the 4th.

                I'd be shocked to see Arnold drafted. Some one might take a shot on Williams in the 5th/6th area but 7th seems reasonable.

                Bowman seems like a solid 2nd rounder, shuffling Bowman up to the first 2nd, Porter to the other 2nd and Hills to the third makes a lot more sense (though that may be a bit high for Hills depending on his health).

                While Gooden isn't a great fit for our defense he isn't a cover/tampa 2 style only guy either. He could fit in any type of 4-3 defense, but I'd keep him away from 3-4s. As for UM backers, Beason is a guy that would have worked in a 3-4 (there was a lot of talk about him with the Pats I think) and the only backer that is more of a cover 2 guy is Vilma.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Joeyjr09 View Post
                  So just because Bradie James and Tavares Gooden are the same size, suddenly they are the same player. Playing MLB at Miami and playing ILB in Bill Parcells 3-4 are two completely different things. Ask Jon Vilma, he'll show you. Gooden is a cover-2 OLB in the NFL. WLB or SLB can be debated but he is a cover-2 OLB. Look at the recent tradition of Cane backers, Vilma, DJ, Morgan, Beason are all excelling in cover 2 style systems. As soon as the Jets went to a 3-4, Vilma game dropped off. That is the type of backer the Canes use and the type of backer they produce. Gooden isn't a 3-4 backer, plain and simple. Bradie James while smaller then a typical 3-4 LB has a style of play that fits well in the 3-4. Gooden doesn't fit with it at all.



                  You wanna know where the 17th WR went last season? Round 3. But good job, this year you have him going all the way in round 6. Very realistic.



                  I haven't seen a mock draft by anyone all season that has Gholston in the top 5. Much less at number 1. Chris Long on the other hand has been going consistently in the top 3 and has been number 1 overall several different times. Let's you know what people are thinking about these guys. Not to mention Chris Long is coming off a better season, arguably the best season by a D player this year. And he has NFL ties which will help him handle the change in way of life better which makes him a safer pick and the fact he is seen as a better prospect all around. You can see why Chris Long is rated as the better prospect.

                  Besides don't act like you really thought Gholston is a number 1 overall guy. You were pulling for him after last year's draft after you thought we were gonna have a decent season and a middle of the 1st pick.
                  Just because Gooden is from the same school as Vilma, Williams, Morgan, and Beason, it doesn't mean he is the same type of player. That is a TERRIBLE argument. He is much better suited, IMO, to play ILB in the 3-4 than any of them with the exception of of DJ, who is the closest player to him in comparison of their skills. It's not just Bradie James, Akin Ayodele is the same size as him as are Foote and Farrior from Pitt's 3-4. He is strong enough and fast enough to play inside in the 3-4, or outside/inside in the 4-3. Although he isn't my favorite choice for the spot (Maualuga or Laurinaitis), we could get him a lot later and at better value.

                  I said the 4-6 round range for Johnson, and he could fall a little bit, because good players always do, and I'm not the realistic one? Good argument once again.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by thebow305 View Post
                    Just because Gooden is from the same school as Vilma, Williams, Morgan, and Beason, it doesn't mean he is the same type of player. That is a TERRIBLE argument. He is much better suited, IMO, to play ILB in the 3-4 than any of them with the exception of of DJ, who is the closest player to him in comparison of their skills. It's not just Bradie James, Akin Ayodele is the same size as him as are Foote and Farrior from Pitt's 3-4. He is strong enough and fast enough to play inside in the 3-4, or outside/inside in the 4-3. Although he isn't my favorite choice for the spot (Maualuga or Laurinaitis), we could get him a lot later and at better value.

                    I said the 4-6 round range for Johnson, and he could fall a little bit, because good players always do, and I'm not the realistic one? Good argument once again.

                    Ok, bro. This is pointless. When the draft comes around and Gooden goes to a team that plays cover-2 and he's an OLB, I'm gonna come back and here point it out.

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                    • #11
                      So what's the general consensus here on where the dolphins will be going with their first round pick; dorsey, long or gholston? Gholston to me didn't seem to have a good enough game to warrant a first overal selection, but than dorsey didn't play lights out either. However, i do feel a DT with dorsey's ability is more of a rarity in general.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Joeyjr09 View Post
                        Ok, bro. This is pointless. When the draft comes around and Gooden goes to a team that plays cover-2 and he's an OLB, I'm gonna come back and here point it out.
                        wouldn't make a difference. Doesn't matter, if he goes to a cover-2 team, what would that prove? He doesn't choose where he goes or what system he fits in best, Carriker was projected as a 3-4 end by everyone, and looked like a damn good prospect there, someone like Aaron Smith in Pittsburgh. Yet, he got drafted into a 4-3 in St. Louis where he is a tackle now, which is fine, but IMO, a little out of position and is being misused..because the 3-4 would have suited him much better. You just don't get it I guess. So yes, this argument is pointless, think what you want.

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                        • #13
                          Here is my take based on what Parcells and Ireland usually do .... no trades .... they love established school players ...

                          1. Chris Long (DE)
                          2a. Shawn Crable (OLB)
                          2b. Chris Williams (OT)
                          3. Adrian Arrington (WR)
                          4. Kendall Langford (DE)
                          5. DeJuan Tribble (CB)
                          6. Red Bryant (NT)
                          7. Kyle Wright (QB)

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by kingjames View Post
                            Here is my take based on what Parcells and Ireland usually do .... no trades .... they love established school players ...

                            1. Chris Long (DE)
                            2a. Shawn Crable (OLB)
                            2b. Chris Williams (OT)
                            3. Adrian Arrington (WR)
                            4. Kendall Langford (DE)
                            5. DeJuan Tribble (CB)
                            6. Red Bryant (NT)
                            7. Kyle Wright (QB)
                            Wouldn't be a bad draft at all. Not a big fan of Crable, so I would like to see what other OLB's are there, but it could work. If we draft Kyle Wright, I might shank myself.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by kingjames View Post
                              Here is my take based on what Parcells and Ireland usually do .... no trades .... they love established school players ...

                              1. Chris Long (DE)
                              2a. Shawn Crable (OLB)
                              2b. Chris Williams (OT)
                              3. Adrian Arrington (WR)
                              4. Kendall Langford (DE)
                              5. DeJuan Tribble (CB)
                              6. Red Bryant (NT)
                              7. Kyle Wright (QB)
                              Wouldn't be a bad draft at all. Not a big fan of Crable, so I would like to see what other OLB's are there, but it could work. I doubt Tribble and Bryant fall that far though. If we draft Kyle Wright, I might shank myself.

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