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  • #46
    Originally posted by BigBlueCrew56 View Post
    Cmon guys lets get real here. I know there is some real deep infatuation with Chris Long and Vernon Gholston but if Calvin Pace signs for 20 Mil plus guaranteed then we need to start looking elsewhere in the draft. We will be loaded at the 3-4 OLB position even with a trade of Jason Taylor. Another thing is Chris Long will not be a 3-4 DE either as he is vastly undersized for that in the pros. Bill just signed a guy in Randy Starks who played 3-4 end for Maryland who is freakin 6'3 312 pounds.

    OLB Calvin Pace
    OLB Joey Porter
    OLB Reggie Torbor
    OLB Matt Roth
    OLB Abraham Wright
    OLB Jason Taylor (Possible trade bait)


    And please stop with the talk of Long playing ILB or Pace playing ILB. You dont pay all this money to have these guys play ILB. You pay them to get to the QB. Releasing Porter seems like a stretch after giving him 20 million in guarantees. I dont think Huizenga wants to admit just yet that he just wasted all that money. Torbor was an undersized DE at Auburn so he may be a nice role player off the bench. The guy too look out for is Matt Roth. At 6'3 270 and experience playing both LB and DE in college is a natural fit at the 3-4. Let alone a nice project player in Wright. The pick is going to come down too QB Matt Ryan or OT Jake Long. I dont think anybody is going to trade up. But if Atlanta is dead set on Ryan then we have them by the ballz now because Chris Long is no longer a lock to us. If we can squeeze them then the draft will fall like this

    1. Atlanta- QB Matt Ryan

    2. St. Louis- DE Chris Long

    3. Miami - OT Jake Long

    or

    1. Miami- OT Jake Long or QB Matt Ryan

    2. St.Louis- DE Chris Long

    3. Atlanta- QB Matt Ryan or OT Jake Long

    Bro..Why do you assume we are moving Matt Roth to OLB? HE has played nothing but DE since his freshaman year of college and we are hurting for DEs on our roster. With us having JT, Porter, Torbor and likely another pick or Pace at OLB, Roth is gonna be staying at DE.

    I mean damn you tell us to stop the talk about Pace or Long at ILB but you keep saying Roth to OLB with no evidence, link or anything of substance to back up that claim. It's just you talking.

    The situation could easily work out like this:

    OLB- Chris Long/Vernon Gholston
    ILB- Reggie Torbor
    ILB- Channing Crowder
    OLB- Calvin Pace, Joey Porter

    And then JT gets dealt. Suddenly our position is Long and Pace with an aging Porter as the top backup and Abe Wright being groomed as a sorta swing OLB. Matt Roth is a FA after next season and will likely not be back because he doesn't fit the system. He will likely play DE this season and that walk at the end of the year. It's very realistic that we still draft an OLB like Long or Gholston so stop getting all bent out of shape over it and saying we are the ones infatuated with those guys when you are so damn obviously ready to get on your knees and blow Jake Long if he walked in your room.

    I mean chill bro. I know you like Jake Long and he could be the pick but Chris Long and Vernon Gholston are still very realistic options no matter what at this point.
    Last edited by Joeyjr09; 03-01-2008, 09:01 AM.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Joeyjr09 View Post
      Bro..Why do you assume we are moving Matt Roth to OLB? HE has played nothing but DE since his freshaman year of college and we are hurting for DEs on our roster. With us having JT, Porter, Torbor and likely another pick or Pace at OLB, Roth is gonna be staying at DE.

      I mean damn you tell us to stop the talk about Pace or Long at ILB but you keep saying Roth to OLB with no evidence, link or anything of substance to back up that claim. It's just you talking.

      The situation could easily work out like this:

      OLB- Chris Long/Vernon Gholston
      ILB- Reggie Torbor
      ILB- Channing Crowder
      OLB- Calvin Pace, Joey Porter

      And then JT gets dealt. Suddenly our position is Long and Pace with an aging Porter as the top backup and Abe Wright being groomed as a sorta swing OLB. Matt Roth is a FA after next season and will likely not be back because he doesn't fit the system. He will likely play DE this season and that walk at the end of the year. It's very realistic that we still draft an OLB like Long or Gholston so stop getting all bent out of shape over it and saying we are the ones infatuated with those guys when you are so damn obviously ready to get on your knees and blow Jake Long if he walked in your room.

      I mean chill bro. I know you like Jake Long and he could be the pick but Chris Long and Vernon Gholston are still very realistic options no matter what at this point.

      College career
      Roth was a two-time First Team All-Big Ten selection and an All-America selection as a senior during his collegiate career at the University of Iowa.

      He was regarded as one of the premier pass rushers in the collegiate ranks and one of the toughest players in the country.[citation needed] He was a blue-chip NFL prospect with a blue-collar work ethic.[citation needed] Roth is a colorful character who plays the game as if he is on a "search and destroy" mission.[citation needed] He is the source of a campus urban legend, as many Hawkeyes talk of the time Roth challenged and cleared out an entire bar in a fight.[citation needed]

      Roth began his Iowa career as a middle linebacker, recording 19 tackles (12 solo) in 12 games as a reserve in 2001. He shifted to the defensive line in 2002, as the coaches felt he played with too aggressively to be effective as a linebacker. Roth responded to the move by recording 48 tackles (22 solo) with 10 sacks, 11 stops behind the line of scrimmage and 11 quarterback pressures, despite starting only one game. Roth took over left-end duties in 2003, collecting 51 tackles (32 solo),12 sacks, 16 stops for losses and four forced fumbles. Only Leroy Smith (18 in 1991) had more sacks in a season for the Hawkeyes.

      With an additional 10 pounds of muscle added to his frame in 2004, Roth put together a banner senior season, earning All-America honors. He ranked fourth in the Big Ten with eight sacks and registered 15 stops for losses (sixth in the Big Ten), eight pressures and 49 tackles (34 solo) while leading the conference with three forced fumbles.

      In 49 games, he started 25 times, recording 167 tackles (100 solo) with 23 quarterback pressures, 30 sacks for minus-192 yards, 43 stops for losses of 224 yards, eight forced fumbles, a fumble recovery and a pass deflection. His 30 career sacks rank third in school history, topped only by Mike Wells (33, 1990-93) and Jared DeVries (42, 1995-98). Only Wells (54) and DeVries (78) registered more tackles behind the line of scrimmage in a career for the Hawkeyes.


      PFW: A big reason you went to Iowa was because you could continue to play linebacker as you did in high school. Eventually the coaches put you in a three-point stance, and things have worked out pretty well. What did you think of the move at the time?

      Roth: The move, at first, I didn’t like it. In high school, I pretty much had free reign to do anything, so I played linebacker … the coach pretty much told me, ‘If it was a pass, just blitz.’ So it was taking a while (at Iowa) to understand the different pass coverages, and I think they felt coming in I was going to be a big kid and that I could move really well and that they could see me as a down lineman. So it came on, and I was picking up the defense toward the end of (my freshman) season, learning my coverages, and I think they just saw me as a defensive end and (that I) could help out right away. I moved there, and going into my sophomore season I played about 40 percent of the defensive plays and led the Big Ten in sacks with 10.



      PFW: Any chance you might play standing up a little in the pros? How would you feel about that, especially now that more teams are using 3-4 defenses?

      Roth: More than anything, I think I am just a football player. Do I think I could play outside linebacker? Yeah, I think I could jump in right away. I think I have learned a lot, defensive line-wise, about using my hands. I think I could fit in well at linebacker, rushing and doing all that stuff. I think I am pretty dang good at defensive end too



      How much more info do you need about Matt Roth playing linebacker. Of course he's played nothing but DE for the Phins and that is because we never really ran a freakin true 3-4. He is only 272 pounds! how is he going to hold the point of attack in the 3-4.

      http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...holm022305.htm


      http://www.nfldraftscout.com/news/in..._from=&ucat=4&
      Last edited by BigBlueCrew56; 03-01-2008, 12:01 PM.

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      • #48
        Moving Chris Long or Calvin Pace to ILB would be a total waste of there pass rushing skills. Do you expect them to be great at coverage at a good 270 pounds from the ILB spot.

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        • #49
          I know we need help at DE but it aint going to come from the undersized Roth. He is just like Chris Long in stature.
          Last edited by BigBlueCrew56; 03-01-2008, 11:50 AM.

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          • #50
            [QUOTE=Joeyjr09;926450]Bro..Why do you assume we are moving Matt Roth to OLB? HE has played nothing but DE since his freshaman year of college and we are hurting for DEs on our roster. With us having JT, Porter, Torbor and likely another pick or Pace at OLB, Roth is gonna be staying at DE.

            I mean damn you tell us to stop the talk about Pace or Long at ILB but you keep saying Roth to OLB with no evidence, link or anything of substance to back up that claim. It's just you talking.

            The situation could easily work out like this:

            OLB- Chris Long/Vernon Gholston
            ILB- Reggie Torbor
            ILB- Channing Crowder
            OLB- Calvin Pace, Joey Porter

            And then JT gets dealt. Suddenly our position is Long and Pace with an aging Porter as the top backup and Abe Wright being groomed as a sorta swing OLB. Matt Roth is a FA after next season and will likely not be back because he doesn't fit the system. He will likely play DE this season and that walk at the end of the year. It's very realistic that we still draft an OLB like Long or Gholston so stop getting all bent out of shape over it and saying we are the ones infatuated with those guys when you are so damn obviously ready to get on your knees and blow Jake Long if he walked in your room. [B]I mean chill bro. I know you like Jake Long and he could be the pick but Chris Long and Vernon Gholston are still very realistic options no matter what at this point.[/QUOTE


            You are kidding me right??????? Get on my knees for Jake Long HA HA HA that was pretty rediculous for you to come out with a statement like that. Pretty childish if you ask me. I have never stated that Jake Long is the guy that belongs to 100% to be the #1 overall pick to the Phins. I am stating that now that the position seems well in hand at 3-4 OLB that either he or Matt Ryan would be the pick because of the needs the NEEDS once again. And yes i would prefer Jake Long over Matt Ryan at this point. We are still missing the other half of our line. Now if you dont sign Calvin Pace then I can see where it now makes sense to grab Long or Gholston. Especially with a trade of Taylor.

            If you paid attention to my last mock you could see that I obviously saw the need for Chris Long at #1. Yes I have made a case for Jake Long to be #1 in the past if we still have Taylor and Porter on the roster. But I can see why Chris Long would have made sense back then. But now you compound it by adding a 20 million dollar guaranteed OLB to go along with another one in Porter who is almost impossible to deal at this point. There is where I see the need to now draft a Long or a Ryan. I am not trying to get into a bitchfest argument with you or anybody else. Just trying to get an educated point across or opionion as in the end we all want what's best for this team. I'am Out
            Last edited by BigBlueCrew56; 03-01-2008, 11:48 AM.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by BigBlueCrew56 View Post
              Cmon guys lets get real here. I know there is some real deep infatuation with Chris Long and Vernon Gholston but if Calvin Pace signs for 20 Mil plus guaranteed then we need to start looking elsewhere in the draft. We will be loaded at the 3-4 OLB position even with a trade of Jason Taylor. Another thing is Chris Long will not be a 3-4 DE either as he is vastly undersized for that in the pros. Bill just signed a guy in Randy Starks who played 3-4 end for Maryland who is freakin 6'3 312 pounds.

              OLB Calvin Pace
              OLB Joey Porter
              OLB Reggie Torbor
              OLB Matt Roth
              OLB Abraham Wright
              OLB Jason Taylor (Possible trade bait)


              And please stop with the talk of Long playing ILB or Pace playing ILB. You dont pay all this money to have these guys play ILB. You pay them to get to the QB. Releasing Porter seems like a stretch after giving him 20 million in guarantees. I dont think Huizenga wants to admit just yet that he just wasted all that money. Torbor was an undersized DE at Auburn so he may be a nice role player off the bench. The guy too look out for is Matt Roth. At 6'3 270 and experience playing both LB and DE in college is a natural fit at the 3-4. Let alone a nice project player in Wright. The pick is going to come down too QB Matt Ryan or OT Jake Long. I dont think anybody is going to trade up. But if Atlanta is dead set on Ryan then we have them by the ballz now because Chris Long is no longer a lock to us. If we can squeeze them then the draft will fall like this

              1. Atlanta- QB Matt Ryan

              2. St. Louis- DE Chris Long

              3. Miami - OT Jake Long

              or

              1. Miami- OT Jake Long or QB Matt Ryan

              2. St.Louis- DE Chris Long

              3. Atlanta- QB Matt Ryan or OT Jake Long

              First of all, I don't know why you assume Abe Wright actually fits into the equation at all. He was a 7th round pick and project player, and at this point, Parcells doesn't seem like he's willing to take on any projects. I doubt very highly he make it out of camp on the active roster, same going for Moses. And I agree with Joeyjr, I don't see Roth playing OLB for us nor do I see him lasting past this year. Even with Pace, Porter, and Taylor, I could still see Chris Long being the pick, because Frankly, Jake is not worth the #1 overall selection. If we do keep Jason, I could very easily see him actually getting kicked inside. Similiar to what NE has done with Mike Vrabel and Adalius Thomas, who are obvious outside linebackers. They were just putting the best players on the field, and those players are very versatile and JT is as well. JT intercepts quite a few balls when dropping back into coverage, so I know he's got the smarts and field savvy to play inside and cover, as well as blitz from the inside occasionally. Then Joey Porter would be a top backup, or start until Chris is ready to step in full time. They won't cut him, it would hurt our cap too much. But I could definitely see him as a GREAT situational pass rusher.

              I could see it going like this:

              LOLB: Chris Long/Joey Porter
              LILB: Channing Crowder
              RILB: Jason Taylor
              ROLB: Calvin Pace

              Just something else for you guys to consider with that lineup. It would be a lot of money at one position, but as the Giants have shown, you can never have too many great pass rusher, and JT and JP are up in years so they won't be around much longer, maybe not even past this year. So we ride that great pass rush until next year when JP and JT are gone, then our lineup will be in great shape still for '09:

              LOLB: Chris Long
              LILB: Channing Crowder
              RILB: Reggie Torbor
              ROLB: Calvin Pace


              I just don't see, with Chris's great work ethic and him being the exact type of player that Bill would want, along with the ties to Virginia under former BP assistant Al Groh, that Chris wouldn't be the pick. It seems to be too perfect a fit. Add in that he seems to be the most NFL-Ready player in the draft, for a coach that wants to win now and not wait for the long development of young players. It seems like the can't miss slam dunk pick that Ireland and Parcells need to make for this team. I just hope they go through with it in the end!
              Last edited by thebow305; 03-01-2008, 12:15 PM.

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              • #52
                Bro you brought up an old article that I remember reading when Roth from before Roth was ever drafted and he hasn't been a LB since he was 18 years old for Christs sake.

                Please, until someone with some real clout on the Dolphins comes out and says anything about Roth moving from DE, your just another person talking and speculating and it means nothing. Roth ahs been a DE all thru college and in all thru his Pro career. No reason to think a new coach is suddenly gonna make a change like this. You have to hear something from the coach to think this is gonna happen and do you really think there would be such speculation about us signing Pace and drafting Gholston/Long if we were moving Roth to OLB? Come on man, get real. Just because you think Roth can potentially make the switch doesn't mean he will. The 49ers just signed Justin Smith who plays exactly like Roth to be a DE in their 3-4 front.

                I see your trying to get an point across on why we should take Jake Long but your attitude of "y'all are dumb we need Jake and not a OLB" makes no sense. All I've seen you do is talk down to people that don't want Jake Long and your constantly all over the place trying to talk us into wanting him.

                This is the deepest OT class of the past 10 years. We can get a 10 year LT at the top (or even bottom if people slide) of round 2. There isn't that luxury with OLBs in this draft and Chris Long and Vernon Gholston are the two biggest defensive game changers in the draft.

                Like I said, even if we sign Pace (which still has yet to happen). There is situations where we will need an OLB. Joey Porter and JT have 2 years in them max and Porter already sucks. Why would we pass on the best D players in the draft for a OT when we can get a similar OT in round 2?

                Like I said before (which you ignored)

                OLB-Calvin Pace, Joey Porter
                ILB-Channing Crowder
                ILB-Reggie Torbor
                OLB-Chris Long/Vernon Gholston

                That gets works for them now and Porter is likely gone after next season anyways once his cap number gets to a point where we can cut him. Trade JT for a 2nd and suddenly you have more youth and talented from our all important OLB spots and still numerous picks to address your OL and LT in round 2.

                Your negatively towards Long and Gholston just gets annoying. We could definately use both of those guys and they would be welcome additions but all you do is nag and come out with excuses for us to take Jake Long because you like him.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by thebow305 View Post
                  First of all, I don't know why you assume Abe Wright actually fits into the equation at all. He was a 7th round pick and project player, and at this point, Parcells doesn't seem like he's willing to take on any projects. I doubt very highly he make it out of camp on the active roster, same going for Moses. And I agree with Joeyjr, I don't see Roth playing OLB for us nor do I see him lasting past this year. Even with Pace, Porter, and Taylor, I could still see Chris Long being the pick, because Frankly, Jake is not worth the #1 overall selection. If we do keep Jason, I could very easily see him actually getting kicked inside. Similiar to what NE has done with Mike Vrabel and Adalius Thomas, who are obvious outside linebackers. They were just putting the best players on the field, and those players are very versatile and JT is as well. JT intercepts quite a few balls when dropping back into coverage, so I know he's got the smarts and field savvy to play inside and cover, as well as blitz from the inside occasionally. Then Joey Porter would be a top backup, or start until Chris is ready to step in full time. They won't cut him, it would hurt our cap too much. But I could definitely see him as a GREAT situational pass rusher.

                  I could see it going like this:

                  LOLB: Chris Long/Joey Porter
                  LILB: Channing Crowder
                  RILB: Jason Taylor
                  ROLB: Calvin Pace

                  Just something else for you guys to consider with that lineup. It would be a lot of money at one position, but as the Giants have shown, you can never have too many great pass rusher, and JT and JP are up in years so they won't be around much longer, maybe not even past this year. So we ride that great pass rush until next year when JP and JT are gone, then our lineup will be in great shape still for '09:

                  LOLB: Chris Long
                  LILB: Channing Crowder
                  RILB: Reggie Torbor
                  ROLB: Calvin Pace


                  I just don't see, with Chris's great work ethic and him being the exact type of player that Bill would want, along with the ties to Virginia under former BP assistant Al Groh, that Chris wouldn't be the pick. It seems to be too perfect a fit. Add in that he seems to be the most NFL-Ready player in the draft, for a coach that wants to win now and not wait for the long development of young players. It seems like the can't miss slam dunk pick that Ireland and Parcells need to make for this team. I just hope they go through with it in the end!
                  Bow, I can't believe I'm saying this but please God help me talk sense into this guy. All he does is hug Jake Long's nuts. I like Jake but damn already, there's a million different things we coudl do with the pick that would be huge help for us and Jake Long is on the middle of that list of things at best.

                  If we stay at number 1 you have to get the best player and that means Chris Long. If we can swing a trade down to number 3 then with Chris gone I'm all for drafting Jake Long. There's many different situations that can play out but coming up with all these theories because BBC wants Jake Long is just crazy. We need OLBs badly as well.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Joeyjr09 View Post
                    Bro you brought up an old article that I remember reading when Roth from before Roth was ever drafted and he hasn't been a LB since he was 18 years old for Christs sake.

                    Please, until someone with some real clout on the Dolphins comes out and says anything about Roth moving from DE, your just another person talking and speculating and it means nothing. Roth ahs been a DE all thru college and in all thru his Pro career. No reason to think a new coach is suddenly gonna make a change like this. You have to hear something from the coach to think this is gonna happen and do you really think there would be such speculation about us signing Pace and drafting Gholston/Long if we were moving Roth to OLB? Come on man, get real. Just because you think Roth can potentially make the switch doesn't mean he will. The 49ers just signed Justin Smith who plays exactly like Roth to be a DE in their 3-4 front.

                    I see your trying to get an point across on why we should take Jake Long but your attitude of "y'all are dumb we need Jake and not a OLB" makes no sense. All I've seen you do is talk down to people that don't want Jake Long and your constantly all over the place trying to talk us into wanting him.

                    This is the deepest OT class of the past 10 years. We can get a 10 year LT at the top (or even bottom if people slide) of round 2. There isn't that luxury with OLBs in this draft and Chris Long and Vernon Gholston are the two biggest defensive game changers in the draft.

                    Like I said, even if we sign Pace (which still has yet to happen). There is situations where we will need an OLB. Joey Porter and JT have 2 years in them max and Porter already sucks. Why would we pass on the best D players in the draft for a OT when we can get a similar OT in round 2?

                    Like I said before (which you ignored)

                    OLB-Calvin Pace, Joey Porter
                    ILB-Channing Crowder
                    ILB-Reggie Torbor
                    OLB-Chris Long/Vernon Gholston

                    That gets works for them now and Porter is likely gone after next season anyways once his cap number gets to a point where we can cut him. Trade JT for a 2nd and suddenly you have more youth and talented from our all important OLB spots and still numerous picks to address your OL and LT in round 2.

                    Your negatively towards Long and Gholston just gets annoying. We could definately use both of those guys and they would be welcome additions but all you do is nag and come out with excuses for us to take Jake Long because you like him.

                    nevermind.....

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Joeyjr09 View Post
                      Bro you brought up an old article that I remember reading when Roth from before Roth was ever drafted and he hasn't been a LB since he was 18 years old for Christs sake.

                      Please, until someone with some real clout on the Dolphins comes out and says anything about Roth moving from DE, your just another person talking and speculating and it means nothing. Roth ahs been a DE all thru college and in all thru his Pro career. No reason to think a new coach is suddenly gonna make a change like this. You have to hear something from the coach to think this is gonna happen and do you really think there would be such speculation about us signing Pace and drafting Gholston/Long if we were moving Roth to OLB? Come on man, get real. Just because you think Roth can potentially make the switch doesn't mean he will. The 49ers just signed Justin Smith who plays exactly like Roth to be a DE in their 3-4 front.

                      I see your trying to get an point across on why we should take Jake Long but your attitude of "y'all are dumb we need Jake and not a OLB" makes no sense. All I've seen you do is talk down to people that don't want Jake Long and your constantly all over the place trying to talk us into wanting him.

                      This is the deepest OT class of the past 10 years. We can get a 10 year LT at the top (or even bottom if people slide) of round 2. There isn't that luxury with OLBs in this draft and Chris Long and Vernon Gholston are the two biggest defensive game changers in the draft.

                      Like I said, even if we sign Pace (which still has yet to happen). There is situations where we will need an OLB. Joey Porter and JT have 2 years in them max and Porter already sucks. Why would we pass on the best D players in the draft for a OT when we can get a similar OT in round 2?

                      Like I said before (which you ignored)

                      OLB-Calvin Pace, Joey Porter
                      ILB-Channing Crowder
                      ILB-Reggie Torbor
                      OLB-Chris Long/Vernon Gholston

                      That gets works for them now and Porter is likely gone after next season anyways once his cap number gets to a point where we can cut him. Trade JT for a 2nd and suddenly you have more youth and talented from our all important OLB spots and still numerous picks to address your OL and LT in round 2.

                      Your negatively towards Long and Gholston just gets annoying. We could definately use both of those guys and they would be welcome additions but all you do is nag and come out with excuses for us to take Jake Long because you like him.

                      I do agree with it I must say, I think taking Jake Long with the # 1 pick would be the absolute biggest waste of a pick. Now at number 3 I would be a little more willing about him, but he is not the number 1 player in this draft, not by a long shot. If we stay at 1, it HAS to be Chris Long, he is the best player in this draft. PERIOD!

                      If we make the trade with ATL, then it comes down to Vernon Gholston and Jake Long probably and then Jake becomes more realistic, although I still give the nod to Vernon because we can get an OT with very similar value at the top of round 2 or even the bottom of it, like you said Joey. It's for the reason you mentioned about the depth of the OT class and the lackthereof in the elite pass rushers of this draft, I feel it is absolutely imperative that we must land Vernon or Chris, and get a guy like Otah, Williams, or Nicks later. That would work so much better than Jake Long and someone like Quentin Groves, Marcus Howard, or Cliff Avril, who seem to be more project players to me with good athleticism that may not be ready to play for a couple of years. Plus, those OT's I named at better NFL prospects at LT than Jake Long anyway. Get over him already BBC, come on man.
                      Last edited by thebow305; 03-01-2008, 12:42 PM.

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                      • #56
                        Guys, seriously, this discussion has gotten out of hand.

                        Some points:

                        First off, blue is right. There is no shot in hell that Taylor, Porter, Roth or Pace end up inside. NONE. Torbor might play some there, but that is it. Yes, Moses and Wright are on the roster, but I would not be counting on them at this time. Would that prevent me from taking C. Long or Gholston? Hell no.

                        Now, like many of you, I do not think Jake Long should be the #1 pick. However, I don't think he is Tony Mandarich, either. I am concerned (like many) that he is more of a RT. But, if the guy ends up being a 10 yr starter in this league at RT, it is not the worst thing in the world. Plus, you have to think that Sparano, Maser and Henning would work like hell to make sure he was successful at LT if drafted. There are definitely guys in this league making a lot of money at LT that have feet slower than Jake Long. If for some reason, it did not work, he goes to RT and is parked there for 10 yrs...

                        Obviously, I think most of us agree that the trade down is the best option. But, with that being unlikely at this point, my opinion is that you take the best player available. IMO, that is Gholston or McFadden. Do I feel that either will be the pick? No. I think it comes down to C.Long or Matt Ryan, with Jake Long now 3rd...

                        One argument against J. Long that has been pointed out is the tremendous depth at T in this draft. But, you may notice that not all of them are the true "LT" prospect. Many of them have the question mark about being potential G's or RT's. At the end of the day, you may want to take a guy later who will not cost as much and develop him to be the LT. (I happen to like D. Brown from VA tech as a potential 4th rd pick) The one thing is that with veteran LT at this point, the young guy has to play. So you want to be sure that he is able to protect whichever QB has to play.

                        The need is there at LT. You have to get somebody to play there.

                        Now, I can get on my soapbox and talk about the absolute need to trade Jason Taylor........:0)

                        Just remember, that at the end we all want to see this thing turned around..

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Quagmire View Post
                          Guys, seriously, this discussion has gotten out of hand.

                          Some points:

                          First off, blue is right. There is no shot in hell that Taylor, Porter, Roth or Pace end up inside. NONE. Torbor might play some there, but that is it. Yes, Moses and Wright are on the roster, but I would not be counting on them at this time. Would that prevent me from taking C. Long or Gholston? Hell no.

                          Now, like many of you, I do not think Jake Long should be the #1 pick. However, I don't think he is Tony Mandarich, either. I am concerned (like many) that he is more of a RT. But, if the guy ends up being a 10 yr starter in this league at RT, it is not the worst thing in the world. Plus, you have to think that Sparano, Maser and Henning would work like hell to make sure he was successful at LT if drafted. There are definitely guys in this league making a lot of money at LT that have feet slower than Jake Long. If for some reason, it did not work, he goes to RT and is parked there for 10 yrs...

                          Obviously, I think most of us agree that the trade down is the best option. But, with that being unlikely at this point, my opinion is that you take the best player available. IMO, that is Gholston or McFadden. Do I feel that either will be the pick? No. I think it comes down to C.Long or Matt Ryan, with Jake Long now 3rd...

                          One argument against J. Long that has been pointed out is the tremendous depth at T in this draft. But, you may notice that not all of them are the true "LT" prospect. Many of them have the question mark about being potential G's or RT's. At the end of the day, you may want to take a guy later who will not cost as much and develop him to be the LT. (I happen to like D. Brown from VA tech as a potential 4th rd pick) The one thing is that with veteran LT at this point, the young guy has to play. So you want to be sure that he is able to protect whichever QB has to play.

                          The need is there at LT. You have to get somebody to play there.

                          Now, I can get on my soapbox and talk about the absolute need to trade Jason Taylor........:0)

                          Just remember, that at the end we all want to see this thing turned around..

                          Wel, I'm glad you have final say on the personnel decisions in Miami.

                          You have no friggin idea if Taylor or Porter or Pace or Long would get kicked inside if they were all on the active roster for Week one of the NFL Season. My guess is, someone would. You have to get your best players on the field. And with Taylor being the most versatile, knowledgeable player on our roster, my guess would be him. Stop acting like you know what they will do and you are the say all end all to this conversation. Damn, I can't stand that... None of us know what will really happen, and until the season starts, nothing is for sure.

                          Dolphins Dream Draft: 1. Jaylon Smith 2. Artie Burns 3. Landon Turner

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                          • #58
                            Bow,

                            I know my stuff, but don't claim to be anything other than a fan. As for what I know, no chance any of the OLB's end up inside. I really wish people on this board would stop being babies when they are disagreed with...

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Quagmire View Post
                              Bow,

                              I know my stuff, but don't claim to be anything other than a fan. As for what I know, no chance any of the OLB's end up inside. I really wish people on this board would stop being babies when they are disagreed with...
                              No chance?? Wow, that's foolish...

                              Being babies, how about not being an arrogant know-it-all. You act like you have final say on everything when you really don't know ****...

                              Dolphins Dream Draft: 1. Jaylon Smith 2. Artie Burns 3. Landon Turner

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Quagmire View Post
                                Bow,

                                I know my stuff, but don't claim to be anything other than a fan. As for what I know, no chance any of the OLB's end up inside. I really wish people on this board would stop being babies when they are disagreed with...
                                I don't recall anyone saying anything about an OLB ending up inside except for Bow with his Jason Taylor talk.

                                Fail to see how that's any worse then BBC saying Matt Roth is gonna move to OLB.

                                Outside of that I agree with most of your 1st post.

                                I would really be fine taking Chris Long at number 1, Carl Nick or if we get lucky a Chris Williams falls as the 1st pick of round 2.

                                I'd much much rather have a pairing of Chris Long and Carl Nicks then a pairing of Jake Long and Quentin Groves.

                                Not to mention, does anyone really believe Joey Porter is here after this season? Or that Jason Taylor will be here past his current contract? Even if we sign Pace (which is looking less and less likely by the second) we will need another OLB as soon as next season.

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