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  • #61
    Originally posted by Joeyjr09 View Post
    I don't recall anyone saying anything about an OLB ending up inside except for Bow with his Jason Taylor talk.

    Fail to see how that's any worse then BBC saying Matt Roth is gonna move to OLB.

    Outside of that I agree with most of your 1st post.

    I would really be fine taking Chris Long at number 1, Carl Nick or if we get lucky a Chris Williams falls as the 1st pick of round 2.

    I'd much much rather have a pairing of Chris Long and Carl Nicks then a pairing of Jake Long and Quentin Groves.

    Not to mention, does anyone really believe Joey Porter is here after this season? Or that Jason Taylor will be here past his current contract? Even if we sign Pace (which is looking less and less likely by the second) we will need another OLB as soon as next season.
    Agreed. It's not hard to see that which is why I'm confused as to why so many people have jumped off the C Long to Miami bandwagon so fast.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Joeyjr09 View Post
      I don't recall anyone saying anything about an OLB ending up inside except for Bow with his Jason Taylor talk.

      Fail to see how that's any worse then BBC saying Matt Roth is gonna move to OLB.

      Outside of that I agree with most of your 1st post.

      I would really be fine taking Chris Long at number 1, Carl Nick or if we get lucky a Chris Williams falls as the 1st pick of round 2.

      I'd much much rather have a pairing of Chris Long and Carl Nicks then a pairing of Jake Long and Quentin Groves.

      Not to mention, does anyone really believe Joey Porter is here after this season? Or that Jason Taylor will be here past his current contract? Even if we sign Pace (which is looking less and less likely by the second) we will need another OLB as soon as next season.
      Joe,

      I appreciate you answering the post in a mature manner.

      My original was not directed towards anything or anyone other than the fact that there are multiple options. Apparently disagreeing that an all-pro OLB/DE who has never played inside being moved inside when is he 34 yrs old caused some people to cry and get upset and make me an "arrogant know it all". I guess that means we can't express differing opinions. I just wanted to see the discussion continue without insults but some people apparently can't do that.

      Anyway, back to football. I tend to think that the first set of tackles may come off the board very quickly in this draft. Obviously, Long will go top 5. Clady may go top 5, but at worst top 10. Otah appears to be between 10 and 20. I think Williams will also go in round 1.

      I guess that means the 2nd tier T's are probably where Miami will be selecting from. If that means a Nicks or Anthony Collins, then so be it.

      BTW, if it worked out to be Jake Long first with Quentin Groves at #32, I would be thrilled. I tend to think Groves will go a lot higher than people think.

      Lets hope we can all continue these discussions normally going forward. It is nice to get some differing opinions and discuss them in a normal manner. Thanks again Joe.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Joeyjr09 View Post
        I don't recall anyone saying anything about an OLB ending up inside except for Bow with his Jason Taylor talk.

        Fail to see how that's any worse then BBC saying Matt Roth is gonna move to OLB.

        Outside of that I agree with most of your 1st post.

        I would really be fine taking Chris Long at number 1, Carl Nick or if we get lucky a Chris Williams falls as the 1st pick of round 2.

        I'd much much rather have a pairing of Chris Long and Carl Nicks then a pairing of Jake Long and Quentin Groves.

        Not to mention, does anyone really believe Joey Porter is here after this season? Or that Jason Taylor will be here past his current contract? Even if we sign Pace (which is looking less and less likely by the second) we will need another OLB as soon as next season.
        The news of him signing should be coming soon.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by draftguru151 View Post
          The news of him signing should be coming soon.
          No offense bro. but I've seen you post that a couple times today and yet still nothing. All day yesterday we were waiting on him to sign. And nothing. Not to cut you down or anything but I'm not buying into him signing here until I see it reported by the Dolphins site.

          Too many false reports and wierd info coming out on him. Not to mention, if the Dolphins really did offer him a Joey Porter deal, do you really think the guy would say "No thanks, I'm gonna visit your number 1 rivals 1st." I have a hard time beliving Pace wouldn't jump all over that much money right now. And if he didn't, he is too stupid for me to want him on the Dolphins, lol.

          In all seriousness, I really do want him here and I hope we can sign him but I hope it for something like 4 years, 25 million dollars and 10 million guaranteed instead of that crazy Joey Porter deal.

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          • #65
            He didn't visit New York, he was here today signing the contract. I have no idea why it isn't being reported yet.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by draftguru151 View Post
              He didn't visit New York, he was here today signing the contract. I have no idea why it isn't being reported yet.
              I've seen you say this a couple times but still the reports are coming out that he's in New York.

              Where are you getting your info from that makes you so confident when everyone else says he's in NY.

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              • #67
                Considering someone I'm talking saw him today, I doubt he is New York.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by draftguru151 View Post
                  Considering someone I'm talking saw him today, I doubt he is New York.
                  And whoever you talked to couldn't have been mistake and saw another person that looked like him?

                  Not to mention, he was in Miami this morning. He left to NY later in the day.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Quagmire View Post
                    Joe,

                    I appreciate you answering the post in a mature manner.

                    My original was not directed towards anything or anyone other than the fact that there are multiple options. Apparently disagreeing that an all-pro OLB/DE who has never played inside being moved inside when is he 34 yrs old caused some people to cry and get upset and make me an "arrogant know it all". I guess that means we can't express differing opinions. I just wanted to see the discussion continue without insults but some people apparently can't do that.

                    Anyway, back to football. I tend to think that the first set of tackles may come off the board very quickly in this draft. Obviously, Long will go top 5. Clady may go top 5, but at worst top 10. Otah appears to be between 10 and 20. I think Williams will also go in round 1.

                    I guess that means the 2nd tier T's are probably where Miami will be selecting from. If that means a Nicks or Anthony Collins, then so be it.

                    BTW, if it worked out to be Jake Long first with Quentin Groves at #32, I would be thrilled. I tend to think Groves will go a lot higher than people think.

                    Lets hope we can all continue these discussions normally going forward. It is nice to get some differing opinions and discuss them in a normal manner. Thanks again Joe.
                    And Adalius moving inside was probally totally out of the question until they actually DID IT! He's 6'3, 270+ pounds! Also, putting Justin Tuck at DT seemed like a crazy idea... UNTIL THEY DID IT! These are just two cases of not giving a damn and just getting the best players on the field at the same time. Even if the position doesn't fit to a T, great players will make it work and thrive in any situation. It's is a difference of opinion, but it's also foolish to openly state that there is NO CHANCE AT ALL of it happening. JT is just as versatile and athletic, plus more seaoned than Adalius Thomas, so if that's what's best for the team, I doubt JT would be totally against it. I'm just saying, getting the best players on the field at once is the way to go, and if that's how we do it, so be it. If we have Chris Long, Joey Porter, Jason Taylor and Calvin Pace all on the outside, and Channing Crowder, Reggie Torbor, and Ian Gold (not sure if we really signed him) as our only viable inside options, I'll take my chances with JT in the middle over guys like Gold or Torbor, who are less experienced and smaller threats to make big plays. Then have Pace on one side of him, and our # 1 pick Chris Long or Joey Porter on the other side. Whether you think it will work or be done or not, It's my opinion that this front 7 would be pretty nasty:

                    DE: Vonnie Holliday
                    NT: Jason Ferguson
                    DE: Randy Starks
                    OLB: Chris Long
                    ILB: Jason Taylor
                    ILB: Channing Crowder
                    OLB: Calvin Pace
                    Last edited by thebow305; 03-01-2008, 06:43 PM.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by thebow305 View Post
                      And Adalius moving inside was probally totally out of the question until they actually DID IT! He's 6'3, 270+ pounds! Also, putting Justin Tuck at DT seemed like a crazy idea... UNTIL THEY DID IT! These are just two cases of not giving a damn and just getting the best players on the field at the same time. Even if the position doesn't fit to a T, great players will make it work and thrive in any situation. It's is a difference of opinion, but it's also foolish to openly state that there is NO CHANCE AT ALL of it happening. JT is just as versatile and athletic, plus more seaoned than Adalius Thomas, so if that's what's best for the team, I doubt JT would be totally against it. I'm just saying, getting the best players on the field at once is the way to go, and if that's how we do it, so be it. If we have Chris Long, Joey Porter, Jason Taylor and Calvin Pace all on the outside, and Channing Crowder, Reggie Torbor, and Ian Gold (not sure if we really signed him) as our only viable inside options, I'll take my chances with JT in the middle over guys like Gold or Torbor, who are less experienced and smaller threats to make big plays. Then have Pace on one side of him, and our # 1 pick Chris Long or Joey Porter on the other side. Whether you think it will work or be done or not, It's my opinion that this front 7 would be pretty nasty:

                      DE: Vonnie Holliday
                      NT: Jason Ferguson
                      DE: Randy Starks
                      OLB: Chris Long
                      ILB: Jason Taylor
                      ILB: Channing Crowder
                      OLB: Calvin Pace
                      -We didn't sign Ian Gold. False report by ESPN.
                      -Randy Starks likely aint gonna be starting. He is a situational role player with us.
                      -While anything can happen and JT certain has the talent to play ILB, the likely hood of it happening is extremely small and not a realistic thought at this point.

                      It's jsut as bad as BBC saying Matt Roth was being moved to OLB.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Joeyjr09 View Post
                        -We didn't sign Ian Gold. False report by ESPN.
                        -Randy Starks likely aint gonna be starting. He is a situational role player with us.
                        -While anything can happen and JT certain has the talent to play ILB, the likely hood of it happening is extremely small and not a realistic thought at this point.

                        It's jsut as bad as BBC saying Matt Roth was being moved to OLB.
                        If it gets our best players on the field you can't rule it out completely though. I agree the chances of it happening are not very good, but I also believe the chances of all of them being on the roster together on Opening Day are slim as well. I saw a rumor about Minnesota offering a 2nd and 3rd for JT. I hope it's true, i would take that in a second. I would be sad to see him go, but it's going to happen eventually, might as well get something good for him now while his value is still relatively high. That would pave the way for Chris Long at # 1 I hope! :)

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                        • #72
                          Didn't see this posted yet.

                          I think you shouldn't make too much of this, but Bill Parcells, czar of the Dolphins, holder of the first pick in the draft, called Boston College coach Jeff Jagodzinski the other day and requested video of every one of quarterback Matt Ryan's 654 passes last fall. I still say Ryan at No. 3, to Atlanta, makes the most sense.
                          http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...eveland/4.html

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                          • #73
                            Guru,

                            I think whether or not they are interested in Ryan, they definitely have to do their homework and at least make it appear that they are. If they like him to consider him a top level QB, then you take him. If not, hopefully the Falcons can be enticed to switch spots and you pick up an extra draft pick or two. To be 100% honest, if Atlanta would bite, I would do drop for their 3rd and 5th rounders. I know that is a big trade chart loser, but you can still get one of the Longs with that pick, you save the bonus $$ and you have yet another player or 2 for the rebuilding process.......

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                            • #74
                              Does Atlanta bite though???? Hard to say. With all this info leaking out about us watching tape about Ryan and Mock drafts having Ryan makes me feel confident that Ryan will not be the pick and all this is just a big smoke screen into scaring a team like Atlanta into giving us extra pics. I dont know if they fall for it though unless Arthur Blank truly has mandated to this GM that he must get Ryan at all cost. With the signing of McCown and Beck still in the fold I find it hard to beleive that they will spend the #1 pick on Ryan. A player who I beleive doesnt even come close to a #1 pick type grade. I'd prefer to take Joe Flacco in the second. Also I know this may be beating a dead horse and I am the first to know how many of you oppose of this happening but Jake Long still is a real possibility with the first pick. Especially since they really havent addressed the offensive line via free agency other then picking up Smiley. We still have a gaping hole at Tackle and we can certainly use about 2 or 3 more lineman for depth. As it stands now our Line looks like this


                              LT ????? Or Vernon Carey
                              LG ?????????????
                              C Samson Satele
                              RG Justin Smiley
                              RT Vernon Carey or ????????


                              Lots of holes needless to say.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by BigBlueCrew56 View Post
                                Does Atlanta bite though???? Hard to say. With all this info leaking out about us watching tape about Ryan and Mock drafts having Ryan makes me feel confident that Ryan will not be the pick and all this is just a big smoke screen into scaring a team like Atlanta into giving us extra pics. I dont know if they fall for it though unless Arthur Blank truly has mandated to this GM that he must get Ryan at all cost. With the signing of McCown and Beck still in the fold I find it hard to beleive that they will spend the #1 pick on Ryan. A player who I beleive doesnt even come close to a #1 pick type grade. I'd prefer to take Joe Flacco in the second. Also I know this may be beating a dead horse and I am the first to know how many of you oppose of this happening but Jake Long still is a real possibility with the first pick. Especially since they really havent addressed the offensive line via free agency other then picking up Smiley. We still have a gaping hole at Tackle and we can certainly use about 2 or 3 more lineman for depth. As it stands now our Line looks like this


                                LT ????? Or Vernon Carey
                                LG ?????????????
                                C Samson Satele
                                RG Justin Smiley
                                RT Vernon Carey or ????????


                                Lots of holes needless to say.
                                Blue,

                                If I had to make a bet, I would bet against the trade down even though everyone knows that is their preference. I was just hoping out loud with my earlier post.
                                You are correct that J. Long has to be in the picture at this point as a possible selection. I think it looks right now like the pick's last name would be Long or Ryan. Not sure if its Jake or Chris, yet. I just really hope they can get out of there and make a move down with Atlanta.......

                                BTW, I think Flacco goes in round 1. There is too much hype for this guy right now and I don't think he makes it to our pick in round 2. I think Henne is a more realistic possibility at this point in round 2. Or maybe they decide to just get one later on in the draft (Ainge, O'Connell) and let Beck and McCown hammer it out for the job.....

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