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  • #16
    Originally posted by Joeyjr09 View Post
    I've love to get 2 OL out of our top 4 picks. But with that said, I don't think there's any way we leave round 2 without a QB. Beck will be given a shot but it's been reported a bunch of times that McCown isn't given a shot to start. He is strictly a backup. Supposed we are looking at both Henne and Flacco in round 2. That's what I'm hearing.

    Anyway, I agree I'd rather wait to see which QB falls to our low round 2 pick as I think it's safe to say Henne will likely be around then and there's still a chance Flacco falls althought that's doubtful. Henne is definately 3rd on my list of QBs in the draft behind Flacco and Brohm. I'm not a Matt Ryan fan at all. I think he's the 4th QB in the draft.

    Anyways I'd be thrilled if we went like this:

    1-Vernon Gholston, OLB
    2a- Sam Baker, LT (really think he could be a Marcus McNeill but I'm not sure Tuna like him)
    2b- Chad Henne, QB
    3- Eric Young, LG

    Leaving our OL:
    LT- Sam Baker
    LG- Eric Young
    C- Samson Satele
    RG- Justin Smiley
    RT- Vernon Carey

    Very solid young OL for us and we still get what is IMO the drafts best player and our defense rock for the next 15 years. Plus a QB to battle it out with Beck. Between Beck and Henne, one is bound to work out and settle the position for a bunch of years.

    Then in round 4 we can look at CB. And with our last 4 picks I'd go with another 2 more OTs, a NT, and a developmental WR.

    Problem with your picks are that Branden Albert is a lock 1st rounder and will never drop to number 32 overall. And Curtis Lofton is 6 foot even. I'll check the records but in his entire career in the NFL, Parcells has never ever drafted a LB that short. He'll be looking at Erin Henderson, Jonathan Goff and maybe a Tavares Gooden if the other guys are gone.
    I agree about Lofton and Albert, but Sam Baker? Not a knock at all on the player because I like him a lot. But if we were to draft him, it would almost certainly be to play at LG for us, not LT. He will be a guard in the NFL, unless he was to go to a zone-blocking scheme like Denver or Houston. He is not big enough, strong enough or stout enough at the point of attack, nor does he possess the nasty demeanor it takes to be a successful OT in the pros, let alone a LT. And everything I have read about him leading up to this point, as well as what I have watched of him, leads me to that point. And let's not forget, even though you are comparing him to McNeill (I think the comparison you are making is that he could be a steal for us like McNeill was as a pro Bowler in the 2nd round), MM was a HUGE OT with just as much experience as Baker, playing against better competition in the SEC, and all the measurables and tools that he needed to be a success in the pros (6'9", 340 lbs, and vines for arms) but he just had concerns about his back and the abilityto stay healthy. Baker is a mere 6'5" 305 lbs, that would certainly be a OG for us, but he would probably make a very good one for a long time for us. That's where your steal argument comes in better if you plug him inside, not outside. Those are my thoughts on that.

    Also, I do agree with you on waiting for a QB. I do not want to take one at 33, that is way too early, and we know way too little about Beck to be giving up on him that soon. We MUST wait at least until the 57th (or 58th, not sure) to take one if we do. I'm actually with BBC on the QB thing from the standpoint that I would rather give Beck his shot this year, let McCown be the primary backup, and draft a later round guy. If we could get someone like Erik Ainge in the 4th, it would be perfect, although i really don't want to take a QB at all if I had my choice, but they most likely will anyway.

    This is how I would like our draft to go at this point:

    1) Vernon Gholston, OLB
    2a) Devin Thomas (If he's there)
    2b) Chilo Rachal, OG, or Sam Baker, OG (whomever is available)
    3) Justin King, CB
    4) King Dunlap, OT (now, I think he could be the next McNeill with the right coaching, which we have, he's less of a finished product though for sure)
    6) Kellen Davis, TE (hopefully he's here)
    7) Jason Shirley, NT

    And this way, our future Oline would look like this:

    LT: King Dunlap
    LG: Chilo Rachal/Sam Baker
    C: Samson Satele
    RG: Justin Smiley
    RT: Vernon Carey

    That would be a dream scenario for me this year. Then next year, to fill the ILB void, we could draft either Brian Cushing or Rey Maualuga!
    Last edited by thebow305; 03-20-2008, 03:24 AM.

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    • #17
      I am keeping my fingers crossed that some how some way that Alberts falls to us with that top pick in the second. I know he has been rumored to the Steelers but what if the Steelers take Gosder Cherilus instead. It will be rather interesting. Atleast we all agree not to take a QB with the top pick in the second round. I say we hold teams ransom with that pick and trade to whom ever wants Flacco or Brohm. (Bears,Falcons, and Ravens might all be burning the phone lines)

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      • #18
        I can tell you guys that at this point I am favoring Gholston over Chris Long. I just see more Patrick Kerney in Chris Long then I do Kevin Greene. In Gholston I defintely see where the LT comparisons could come into play. I know it sounds crazy guys but I think the best fit at the 3-4 OLB in this draft when it is all said and done is Quentin Groves.
        Last edited by BigBlueCrew56; 03-20-2008, 09:59 AM.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by BigBlueCrew56 View Post
          I am keeping my fingers crossed that some how some way that Alberts falls to us with that top pick in the second. I know he has been rumored to the Steelers but what if the Steelers take Gosder Cherilus instead. It will be rather interesting. Atleast we all agree not to take a QB with the top pick in the second round. I say we hold teams ransom with that pick and trade to whom ever wants Flacco or Brohm. (Bears,Falcons, and Ravens might all be burning the phone lines)
          Albert could go at number 19 to Philly, 21 to Washington, 23 to Pittsburgh, 25 to Seattle, 26 to Jacksonville, 27 to San Diego, 29 to San Francisco, or 31st to New York. Not to mention Minnesota or Houston could reach for him at 17 and 18.

          Those are all teams that will be looking for a player such as Branden Albert. He is a lock 1st rounder. That chances he falls to our pick are closer to none then they are to slim.
          Last edited by Joeyjr09; 03-20-2008, 09:03 AM.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Joeyjr09 View Post
            Albert could go at number 19 to Philly, 21 to Washington, 23 to Pittsburgh, 25 to Seattle, 26 to Jacksonville, 27 to San Diego, 29 to San Francisco, or 31st to New York. Not to mention Minnesota or Houston could reach for him at 17 and 18.

            Those are all teams that will be looking for a player such as Branden Albert. He is a lock 1st rounder. That chances he falls to our pick are closer to none then they are to slim.
            I agree... Almost no way he falls out of the first. :(

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            • #21
              Originally posted by BigBlueCrew56 View Post
              I can tell you guys that at this point I am favoring Gholston over Chris Long. I just see more Patrick Kerney in Chris Long then I do Kevin Greene. In Gholston I defintely see where the LT comparisons could come into play. I know it sounds crazy guys but I think the best fit at the 3-4 OLB in this draft when it is all said and done is Quentin Groves.
              And that's who I want if we do end up with Jake Long in the first, hopefully Groves will be there at the top of the 2nd. Much rather have Chris Long or Gholston at the top of the 1st though.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by BigBlueCrew56 View Post
                I can tell you guys that at this point I am favoring Gholston over Chris Long. I just see more Patrick Kerney in Chris Long then I do Kevin Greene. In Gholston I defintely see where the LT comparisons could come into play. I know it sounds crazy guys but I think the best fit at the 3-4 OLB in this draft when it is all said and done is Quentin Groves.
                Blue,

                I am in the Gholston over C Long camp. For me, Long scares me as a lack of upside guy as compared to VG or J Long. You know I have been touting Groves all along as a guy who I think will be an impressive 3-4 OLB. Don't see him lasting to rd 2. I really think top 20 for Groves and I would not be shocked if he went fairly high in this draft.....

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Quagmire View Post
                  Blue,

                  I am in the Gholston over C Long camp. For me, Long scares me as a lack of upside guy as compared to VG or J Long. You know I have been touting Groves all along as a guy who I think will be an impressive 3-4 OLB. Don't see him lasting to rd 2. I really think top 20 for Groves and I would not be shocked if he went fairly high in this draft.....
                  It would absolutely shock me to see Groves go in the top 20 of the draft. Not saying it won't happen, but I really doubt it. Late 1st, early 2nd is where I have him projected, as well as many others. I could possibly see the Niners taking him at 29, but other than that, he should be there for us at 33 if we need him, IMO.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by BigBlueCrew56 View Post
                    Hey Joey I am also starting to waver on the idea of taking a QB high with that second round pick. With everything that I am hearing about Beck I think we really need to give him a shot. Have McCown and him battle it out. Maybe take a late round flyer at QB like Erick Ainge to be a 3rd stringer.

                    OT Jake Long
                    OG Branden Alberts
                    ILB Curtis Lofton
                    TE John Carlson

                    This is looking like what I want with our top 4 picks barring no trades. Reminds me of the 1990 draft we when took Webb and Sims.

                    LT Jake Long LG Branden Alberts C Samson Satele RG Justin Smiley RT Vernon Carey

                    That line would be sooooo sick!

                    I would love that draft if that was our first 4 picks. Specially if Phillips doesnt drop to us in the 2nd. I am a fan of alberts.


                    I want a dominating offensive line that will scare folks to play against us because will beat them into submission. We havent had that in a long time. We need a bob kuechenberg type of player (whom btw was there for all of our superbowls).

                    This game is won in the trenches defensive or offensive. Since Webb we have not had a star offensive lineman upon this team and since Dwight we havent had a HoF type lineman.

                    We have a ton of money invested into a back that has been running behind a broken patchworked online for the past few years. Because of that he has been getting beaten up himself. Now it is time to build a line to protect him, protect a QB (whom I think we will get in the top 5 next year, hopefully not a certain gator) and build a crushing ball control offense with the ability to explode as well when needed.


                    Now I understand the like for Chris long but still personally feel he is far too hyped and people are drawing too many lines for him to be the pick. I feel we are adding to what is still for a few more years a position of strength and can be addressed easier in what is a pretty deep draft there just like OT. Now if I can have a 3-4 DE or a LT for the next decade even if both are pro bowlers, I will take the Left tackle.

                    That all said I would not mind gholston and even though I think he is getting hyped alot because of ware (whom was ab etter prospect and went lower) and they are looking and reaching or something to fit in this draft, he is a heck of a ball player and will be interesting to watch if he goes to the right situation.


                    I understand the Ryan talk too but personally I do not feel he is the right guy for the right time. If we dont draft a QB at all or till the 6-7 I will not mind it at all for this year. Even though Ryan I think is a nice prospect and could be a pretty good QB in the NFL

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                    • #25
                      With an offensive line like that we could play ball control all game and keep the defense off the field. Pound the rock and all we would need for our QB to be is a game manager.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Finsfan79 View Post
                        I would love that draft if that was our first 4 picks. Specially if Phillips doesnt drop to us in the 2nd. I am a fan of alberts.


                        I want a dominating offensive line that will scare folks to play against us because will beat them into submission. We havent had that in a long time. We need a bob kuechenberg type of player (whom btw was there for all of our superbowls).

                        This game is won in the trenches defensive or offensive. Since Webb we have not had a star offensive lineman upon this team and since Dwight we havent had a HoF type lineman.

                        We have a ton of money invested into a back that has been running behind a broken patchworked online for the past few years. Because of that he has been getting beaten up himself. Now it is time to build a line to protect him, protect a QB (whom I think we will get in the top 5 next year, hopefully not a certain gator) and build a crushing ball control offense with the ability to explode as well when needed.


                        Now I understand the like for Chris long but still personally feel he is far too hyped and people are drawing too many lines for him to be the pick. I feel we are adding to what is still for a few more years a position of strength and can be addressed easier in what is a pretty deep draft there just like OT. Now if I can have a 3-4 DE or a LT for the next decade even if both are pro bowlers, I will take the Left tackle.

                        That all said I would not mind gholston and even though I think he is getting hyped alot because of ware (whom was ab etter prospect and went lower) and they are looking and reaching or something to fit in this draft, he is a heck of a ball player and will be interesting to watch if he goes to the right situation.


                        I understand the Ryan talk too but personally I do not feel he is the right guy for the right time. If we dont draft a QB at all or till the 6-7 I will not mind it at all for this year. Even though Ryan I think is a nice prospect and could be a pretty good QB in the NFL
                        Finfan,

                        You make a good point about the OL. To me, this is about getting the best player. The team is full of holes....OT definitely fills perhaps a greater need than OLB right now, but I think it is about taking the best player. That might be J. Long. Although I happen to think it is Gholston. While Long is a very good prospect, I don't think he is a can't miss guy (Boselli, Ogden, Pace) who cannot be passed over. I will be happy with either guy, but I am rooting for Gholston, who I think can be a dominant OLB. I would take Jake over Chris as far as the Longs go..........

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                        • #27
                          I can understand if someone feels that Gholston is better as long as folks want the player they feel will make the biggest impact in the long run I am happy for it as well.

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                          • #28
                            Agreed I cant complain with either Gholston or Jake. Both players will make a huge impact in making my sunday's sitting in the 100 degree heat better.

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                            • #29
                              Something to consider

                              Which of these players would of gone in the top 10 last year for the draft?

                              mcfadden would of went behind peterson, Ryan wouldnt of been top 10 he would of went second round I bet or end of 1st at least, chris long would of most likely been around 8 where Jamaal Anderson went imo (gaines adams was a better prospect), Jake long really is the only one I think would be up there he would of been in the debate with Thomas but he definitely would of been before Levi Brown at number 6.


                              But I guess it is all opinion which is what makes the draft fun :)

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                              • #30
                                I think the only players you can safely assume would have gone in the top 10 last year are Chris Long, Jake Long and Vernon Gholston.

                                Matt Ryan would've been a 2nd rounder behind Brady Quinn and ahead of Kolb IMO.

                                Darren McFadden would have gone at number 12 overall to the Bills instead of Lynch IMO.

                                Jake Long would have gone at number 5 to Arizona Cardinals instead of Levi Brown.

                                Chris Long is just a notch below Gaines Adams and would have been right around the 8 range that Anderson got drafted at.

                                Gholston IMO would have graded out neck and neck with Gaines Adams for the drafts best DE/OLB but his workout would have put him over the top so I think Gholston would have gone in the 4 range.

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