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  • #16
    Dude, we brought in 4 young DL this offseason all under 24 years of age. JT will be more beneficial to their development then any 4th rounder would be to our roster. Stop being so dense and acting like JT has on value to our team. JT is still better then any draft pick we would realistically would have gotten.

    Read between the lines? He had a PR event for his image? Good Lord dude, he said in a makeshift interview during his golf tournament that he liked being able to hang with Ireland and Sparano. Please explain to me where the bad in that is. Did he make all that up in front of them just to get more charity dollars for his event to? You swear like JT has all these elaborate ideas set up about how he's gonna raise hell to get out of Miami. Obviously he would like to play for a winning team, anyone would but sitting here and acting like he's forcing a trade is crazy as he himself has said he's fine playing for the Dolphins and suddenly today, the Dolphins say they are gonna welcome him back with open arms.

    Originally posted by Quagmire View Post
    Everytime someone other than you quotes a writer, he has an agenda
    Dude, please. Maybe if you found a real writer it would hold some weight. But when you bring up a opinion based blog instead of a facts based article, expect people to shrug it off. Exspecially when the player in question just came out and said the exact opposite of everything in the blog.
    Last edited by Joeyjr09; 06-04-2008, 01:43 PM.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Joeyjr09 View Post
      Dude, we brought in 4 young DL this offseason all under 24 years of age. JT will be more beneficial to their development then any 4th rounder would be to our roster. Stop being so dense and acting like JT has on value to our team. JT is still better then any draft pick we would realistically would have gotten.

      Read between the lines? He had a PR event for his image? Good Lord dude, he said in a makeshift interview during his golf tournament that he liked being able to hang with Ireland and Sparano. Please explain to me where the bad in that is. Did he make all that up in front of them just to get more charity dollars for his event to? You swear like JT has all these elaborate ideas set up about how he's gonna raise hell to get out of Miami. Obviously he would like to play for a winning team, anyone would but sitting here and acting like he's forcing a trade is crazy as he himself has said he's fine playing for the Dolphins and suddenly today, the Dolphins say they are gonna welcome him back with open arms.



      Dude, please. Maybe if you found a real writer it would hold some weight. But when you bring up a opinion based blog instead of a facts based article, expect people to shrug it off. Exspecially when the player in question just came out and said the exact opposite of everything in the blog.
      So Peter King is not a real writer? Just the head of the election committee for the hall of fame. Oh wait, I forgot because he felt Miami made a mistake in not trading him and thought that Tuna made a mistake, he had an agenda and is not a credible writer....... Heaven forbid someone say that Parcells screwed up.........

      Of course the player is going to say things that portray him as the good guy. One thing Taylor is not, is stupid. He knows how to play the PR game. Of course Sparano is going to say he wants him. He will help them win in the short term and he wants to keep his value high. I am saying that the draft pick is worth more to this team for its future than a 34 yr old declining DE who wants to be The Rock.... If Tuna had not been a stubborn jackass and asked for a #1 pick, a good compromise could have been reached and a decent pick or 2 could have been acquired. If I try to sell a 10 yr old Mercedes for $50,000, no one is going to take me seriously, if I try to sell for $15,000, they might....... Parcells asked for the 50K in this case and had it handed to him and he is stuck with a car that has only a small life left and will not be here when he needs good players in 2 or 3 yrs........

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Quagmire View Post
        So Peter King is not a real writer? Just the head of the election committee for the hall of fame. Oh wait, I forgot because he felt Miami made a mistake in not trading him and thought that Tuna made a mistake, he had an agenda and is not a credible writer....... Heaven forbid someone say that Parcells screwed up.........

        Of course the player is going to say things that portray him as the good guy. One thing Taylor is not, is stupid. He knows how to play the PR game. Of course Sparano is going to say he wants him. He will help them win in the short term and he wants to keep his value high. I am saying that the draft pick is worth more to this team for its future than a 34 yr old declining DE who wants to be The Rock.... If Tuna had not been a stubborn jackass and asked for a #1 pick, a good compromise could have been reached and a decent pick or 2 could have been acquired. If I try to sell a 10 yr old Mercedes for $50,000, no one is going to take me seriously, if I try to sell for $15,000, they might....... Parcells asked for the 50K in this case and had it handed to him and he is stuck with a car that has only a small life left and will not be here when he needs good players in 2 or 3 yrs........
        Matt Mosley was the blogger in this instance. not King. King if you recall we discussed a while back and he is a big Parcells backer.

        Your little Mercedes analogy is way off. JT worth about $25,000. We are indeed asking a little much at about $30,000 but we are only getting offers of about $10,000. Even if they met in the middle, we would not get his full worth. That's the situation. He is worth a 2nd, we want a 1st, but are only getting offers for a 4th. Even with a compromise we would only get a high 3rd and that's not worth it for JT. We need at least a mid to high 2nd for him.

        I don't understand how you can think our asking price is driving his value down. IF we want a 2ns then naturally we are gonna ask for a little more then that to try to get the max value for him. If a team was willing to offer a 2nd do you really think they would sit back and go:

        "We'll trade a 2nd for JT but Miami is asking for a 1st so instead we'll just offer a 4th?"

        Or do you think they would go:

        "We'll we want JT for a 2nd but Miami is asking for a 1st, lets just give a call and see if we are close enough"

        I guarantee you that convo number 2 is how things would go down. But that's not whats happened because NO ONE WANTS TO TRADE A 2ND RD PICK FOR JT.

        Your blaming the FO for supposedly killing his value but you fail to realize that his value was never as high as we thought.

        I can't believe you can sit here and yell at me about how horrible it is that we keep JT and how he has no point being on the Dolphins and basically says he's useless trash for us. IF we think like that, what do you think other teams see? You can sit here and bash JT and say we don't need him and then get mad when we have no good offers because other teams don't need him.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Joeyjr09 View Post
          Matt Mosley was the blogger in this instance. not King. King if you recall we discussed a while back and he is a big Parcells backer.

          Your little Mercedes analogy is way off. JT worth about $25,000. We are indeed asking a little much at about $30,000 but we are only getting offers of about $10,000. Even if they met in the middle, we would not get his full worth. That's the situation. He is worth a 2nd, we want a 1st, but are only getting offers for a 4th. Even with a compromise we would only get a high 3rd and that's not worth it for JT. We need at least a mid to high 2nd for him.

          I don't understand how you can think our asking price is driving his value down. IF we want a 2ns then naturally we are gonna ask for a little more then that to try to get the max value for him. If a team was willing to offer a 2nd do you really think they would sit back and go:

          "We'll trade a 2nd for JT but Miami is asking for a 1st so instead we'll just offer a 4th?"

          Or do you think they would go:

          "We'll we want JT for a 2nd but Miami is asking for a 1st, lets just give a call and see if we are close enough"

          I guarantee you that convo number 2 is how things would go down. But that's not whats happened because NO ONE WANTS TO TRADE A 2ND RD PICK FOR JT.

          Your blaming the FO for supposedly killing his value but you fail to realize that his value was never as high as we thought.

          I can't believe you can sit here and yell at me about how horrible it is that we keep JT and how he has no point being on the Dolphins and basically says he's useless trash for us. IF we think like that, what do you think other teams see? You can sit here and bash JT and say we don't need him and then get mad when we have no good offers because other teams don't need him.
          Well, Peter King has said the same thing, so if he is a Tuna backer, even he knows they screwed up by being so rigid.

          Asking for a #1 was dumb because it was extremely unreasonable. This was not a normal negotiation. Don't you think JT has had his people whispering in other teams' ears about how he wanted out? Teams know this. If Miami was reasonable and firm on a #2, a low #2 would have easily been attainable.... Hell, they could have been creative and accepted a lower pick (3 or 4) in 2008 with conditions attached to an add'l 2009 pick. They chose to be firm and now they look like idiots for doing so....

          As for bashing him for us showing what his value is, come on....... I think an 11-5 playoff team trying to take the next step will have a much different view of Taylor than a 1-15 team in need of a total rebuild. Trust me, there are plenty of teams that could use his ability to help take the next step. But, they now know Miami is screwed and don't have to pay market value to get him thanks to the front office screwing up....

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Quagmire View Post
            Well, Peter King has said the same thing, so if he is a Tuna backer, even he knows they screwed up by being so rigid.

            Asking for a #1 was dumb because it was extremely unreasonable. This was not a normal negotiation. Don't you think JT has had his people whispering in other teams' ears about how he wanted out? Teams know this. If Miami was reasonable and firm on a #2, a low #2 would have easily been attainable.... Hell, they could have been creative and accepted a lower pick (3 or 4) in 2008 with conditions attached to an add'l 2009 pick. They chose to be firm and now they look like idiots for doing so....

            As for bashing him for us showing what his value is, come on....... I think an 11-5 playoff team trying to take the next step will have a much different view of Taylor than a 1-15 team in need of a total rebuild. Trust me, there are plenty of teams that could use his ability to help take the next step. But, they now know Miami is screwed and don't have to pay market value to get him thanks to the front office screwing up....
            So now we went from talking about mid to high 2nd for Taylor to talking low 2nd or conditional 3 and 4 rounders. Forget that JT has more value to us then that.

            If you think JT is such garbage to us then go read the PPB's blog by Channing Crowder about how desperately the team is missing JTs leadership. We will field one of the youngest teams in the league next season, we need our best player and vet leader. IF we can get a high pick for him then yes it's probably worth it to trade him but if we are gonna start lowering our asking price and compromising for conditional picks then it is not worth it. Our young kids need someone to watch, look up to and learn from and we will be better for it.

            All the news coming out lately from JT camps has been positive towards the Dolphins, all the news coming from Sparano and today Tuna himself has been positive for the Dolphins and all the news reported by the local papers has been positive. It was all blown up nationally by ESPN and beat to death. It has never been as big a deal as ESPN or you made it out to be. Heck even Will Allen said it was blown out of proportion when he said that the media "Turned this into a movie that I ain't watching".

            JT will be a great player for us this year and we will be better for it. There's nothing wrong with our FO feeling JT has a certain worth to our team and not trading him unless they feel they are getting something more valuable then what he's worth. A 4th round pick, or conditional picks like you stated are not worth it. Heck rotoworld today even said that no team is willing to go as high as a 3rd for him.

            Your bashing the FO for not reaching an agreement that by all accounts was never attainable to begin with.

            Your speculation is annoying. Your grasping at straws. "If they were reasonable then this would have happened or we could have agreed to that deal." You have no idea that things would have went that way. FACT of the matter is that they have never been offered more then a 4th round pick.
            Last edited by Joeyjr09; 06-05-2008, 11:46 AM.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Joeyjr09 View Post
              So now we went from talking about mid to high 2nd for Taylor to talking low 2nd or conditional 3 and 4 rounders. Forget that JT has more value to us then that.

              If you think JT is such garbage to us then go read the PPB's blog by Channing Crowder about how desperately the team is missing JTs leadership. We will field one of the youngest teams in the league next season, we need our best player and vet leader. IF we can get a high pick for him then yes it's probably worth it to trade him but if we are gonna start lowering our asking price and compromising for conditional picks then it is not worth it. Our young kids need someone to watch, look up to and learn from and we will be better for it.

              All the news coming out lately from JT camps has been positive towards the Dolphins, all the news coming from Sparano and today Tuna himself has been positive for the Dolphins and all the news reported by the local papers has been positive. It was all blown up nationally by ESPN and beat to death. It has never been as big a deal as ESPN or you made it out to be. Heck even Will Allen said it was blown out of proportion when he said that the media "Turned this into a movie that I ain't watching".

              JT will be a great player for us this year and we will be better for it. There's nothing wrong with our FO feeling JT has a certain worth to our team and not trading him unless they feel they are getting something more valuable then what he's worth. A 4th round pick, or conditional picks like you stated are not worth it. Heck rotoworld today even said that no team is willing to go as high as a 3rd for him.

              Your bashing the FO for not reaching an agreement that by all accounts was never attainable to begin with.

              Your speculation is annoying. Your grasping at straws. "If they were reasonable then this would have happened or we could have agreed to that deal." You have no idea that things would have went that way. FACT of the matter is that they have never been offered more then a 4th round pick.
              Wait, I catch s#it for mentioning a blog and Peter King and you bring up rotoworld? Are you kidding me?

              Speaking of annoying, how about someone who kisses the a$$ of the front office all the time because it is Bill Parcells? The bottom line is this, by the time Miami is good, Taylor will be long gone and a non-factor. The pick and or picks they could have acquired by not being rigid idiots would still be here and hitting their prime... This leadership BS only matters if they were ready to take the step this yr. Guess what, they aren't. They are going to be in the top 10 in next yr's draft and with another good one, could be ready to make a playoff run the following yr. Face it, as much as you don't want to admit it, they screwed up.........

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Quagmire View Post
                Wait, I catch s#it for mentioning a blog and Peter King and you bring up rotoworld? Are you kidding me?

                Speaking of annoying, how about someone who kisses the a$$ of the front office all the time because it is Bill Parcells? The bottom line is this, by the time Miami is good, Taylor will be long gone and a non-factor. The pick and or picks they could have acquired by not being rigid idiots would still be here and hitting their prime... This leadership BS only matters if they were ready to take the step this yr. Guess what, they aren't. They are going to be in the top 10 in next yr's draft and with another good one, could be ready to make a playoff run the following yr. Face it, as much as you don't want to admit it, they screwed up.........

                Rotoworld is a collect of article's by a bunch of different writers. Abot 95 percent of the rotoworld article are written by local Miami reporters. You should know that by now.

                So I guess your saying only good NFL teams need leadership? Great call smart guy.

                How about this article for you. Adam Schefter says the Dolphins have been willing to accept a 2nd for some time now but have still yet to even recieve that high an offer.

                Listen bro, you can call me and ass kisser and make stupid little insults all you want but fact is that not just BP but any GM in football would be stupid to trade a player the caliber of JT for a 4th round pick.

                Your arguement has so many holes it's not even funny. Here are all your crazy ASSUMPTIONS:

                1.) The Dolphins could get a 2nd rounder. Fact is, the Dolphins have not been offered more then a 4th. You have never addressed this except with opinions and wild speculation that if Tuna was nicer that maybe just maybe and team will suddenly throw a 2nd our way.

                2.) "by the time Miami is good, Taylor will be long gone and a non-factor." You have no idea what impact JT can have on our young players. If he helps just 1 of them reach a level they would have reached, it would have been worth keeping him over a 4th round pick.

                3.) "The pick and or picks they could have acquired by not being rigid idiots would still be here and hitting their prime" You make it sound like we would be getting some stud in his prime that would really help us big time. We were offer a 4TH ROUND PICK!!! Would you like me to run down the names of 4th rounder that have become even solid starters in this league over the past 5 years. You can count them on one hand. Yay, we traded JT for a backup TE!!! I mean seriously bro, you can get the same value by just trading down in a draft. And this is all hoping that the pick doesn't bust at all.

                So go ahead call me an ass kisser all you want, makes no difference to me, I support my teams and my players and I refuse to ***** and moan like a little girl just because my GM didn't trade away my team's best player for a medicore draft pick.

                For real, they didn't trade our best player, get over it dude. Not having an extra 4th round pick is not suddenly gonna take our 1-15 team over the hump and make us way better. In fact, I'd venture to say if we had an extra 4th rounder on the roster for the next 3-4 years you wouldn't notice the difference he makes at all compared to the difference JT can make in just 1 season.

                I'm out bro, this is a stupid arguement, you made up your mind and there's no sense even bothering with you. You have all these crazy theories and ideas in your head with no basis except stealing some other bloggers opinion and you rip the FO and me for what? Because you have nothing better to do with your time? Please bro, get a life.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Joeyjr09 View Post
                  Rotoworld is a collect of article's by a bunch of different writers. Abot 95 percent of the rotoworld article are written by local Miami reporters. You should know that by now.

                  So I guess your saying only good NFL teams need leadership? Great call smart guy.

                  How about this article for you. Adam Schefter says the Dolphins have been willing to accept a 2nd for some time now but have still yet to even recieve that high an offer.

                  Listen bro, you can call me and ass kisser and make stupid little insults all you want but fact is that not just BP but any GM in football would be stupid to trade a player the caliber of JT for a 4th round pick.

                  Your arguement has so many holes it's not even funny. Here are all your crazy ASSUMPTIONS:

                  1.) The Dolphins could get a 2nd rounder. Fact is, the Dolphins have not been offered more then a 4th. You have never addressed this except with opinions and wild speculation that if Tuna was nicer that maybe just maybe and team will suddenly throw a 2nd our way.

                  2.) "by the time Miami is good, Taylor will be long gone and a non-factor." You have no idea what impact JT can have on our young players. If he helps just 1 of them reach a level they would have reached, it would have been worth keeping him over a 4th round pick.

                  3.) "The pick and or picks they could have acquired by not being rigid idiots would still be here and hitting their prime" You make it sound like we would be getting some stud in his prime that would really help us big time. We were offer a 4TH ROUND PICK!!! Would you like me to run down the names of 4th rounder that have become even solid starters in this league over the past 5 years. You can count them on one hand. Yay, we traded JT for a backup TE!!! I mean seriously bro, you can get the same value by just trading down in a draft. And this is all hoping that the pick doesn't bust at all.

                  So go ahead call me an ass kisser all you want, makes no difference to me, I support my teams and my players and I refuse to ***** and moan like a little girl just because my GM didn't trade away my team's best player for a medicore draft pick.

                  For real, they didn't trade our best player, get over it dude. Not having an extra 4th round pick is not suddenly gonna take our 1-15 team over the hump and make us way better. In fact, I'd venture to say if we had an extra 4th rounder on the roster for the next 3-4 years you wouldn't notice the difference he makes at all compared to the difference JT can make in just 1 season.

                  I'm out bro, this is a stupid arguement, you made up your mind and there's no sense even bothering with you. You have all these crazy theories and ideas in your head with no basis except stealing some other bloggers opinion and you rip the FO and me for what? Because you have nothing better to do with your time? Please bro, get a life.
                  Keep your rose-colored glasses on. Hey, BTW, Jason Taylor was a 3rd rd pick. Zach was a 5th, Tom Brady was a 6th, etc, etc. Good players are available everywhere.... You think you can't find players in the 4th round? Think again. You are right, this is a stupid argument because you won't throw down the poms-poms. His leadership is not worth sh#t to a team that won't be good until he is gone... His focus is on being The Rock, and not on football.....

                  I would love if you printed out every 4th rd pick for the last 5 yrs. If even one guy is a star, then your argument does not work...

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Quagmire View Post
                    Keep your rose-colored glasses on. Hey, BTW, Jason Taylor was a 3rd rd pick. Zach was a 5th, Tom Brady was a 6th, etc, etc. Good players are available everywhere.... You think you can't find players in the 4th round? Think again. You are right, this is a stupid argument because you won't throw down the poms-poms. His leadership is not worth sh#t to a team that won't be good until he is gone... His focus is on being The Rock, and not on football.....

                    I would love if you printed out every 4th rd pick for the last 5 yrs. If even one guy is a star, then your argument does not work...
                    So now you went from "We can get a high draft pick for him" and changed your stance into, "We'll we can pray we can lucky with a lower pick". Great logic buddy. Your argument sucks. You don't trade your franchise player for a gamble that you land one of the 2-3 mid round picks that blow up every year. You trade him only if you get a great offer that will land you a sure fire starter to build your future around. We have traded Chris Chambers and Wes Welker for 2 rounder the past 2 season, good value that has landed us good pieces, the last thing we need to go is ship out our best player for pennies on the dollar.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Joeyjr09 View Post
                      So now you went from "We can get a high draft pick for him" and changed your stance into, "We'll we can pray we can lucky with a lower pick". Great logic buddy. Your argument sucks. You don't trade your franchise player for a gamble that you land one of the 2-3 mid round picks that blow up every year. You trade him only if you get a great offer that will land you a sure fire starter to build your future around. We have traded Chris Chambers and Wes Welker for 2 rounder the past 2 season, good value that has landed us good pieces, the last thing we need to go is ship out our best player for pennies on the dollar.
                      Where did I say "we can pray we get lucky with a lower pick"? Not once. If they had not screwed up his value by asking for too much, they would not even be in a situation where there would be a debate on taking a low pick. I think your argument sucks. What franchise player? He is an aging 34 yr old DE. He is Miami's best because they suck. On a good team he could still be very good and that is why he should have been traded to one.

                      You forget that Welker was 27 and a RFA and that the Chambers trade was an absolute steal by Mueller.. Taylor is a guy who has basically said that he wants out. You don't ask for a #1 for a 34 yr old who wants out. You work the deal to get yourself as high a pick as possible and move on. If they were realistic from the beginning, they could gotten a low 2 or worst a #3 with something else for him. You win with draft picks. The more you have, the more chances to succeed. They f&*ked up. Period.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Quagmire View Post
                        If they were realistic from the beginning, they could gotten a low 2 or worst a #3 with something else for him.
                        Bro, when you have any substantial proof of that, let me know. Miami was offered a mid 4th. That's it. If you think BP being a little more reasonable was gonna make a team jump their offer from a mid 4th to a low 2nd, your smoking some good stuff.

                        This has been pointless for some time, so let's end it. We all know you like to ***** and moan like a little girl and it's been fun, but time to move on.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Joeyjr09 View Post
                          Bro, when you have any substantial proof of that, let me know. Miami was offered a mid 4th. That's it. If you think BP being a little more reasonable was gonna make a team jump their offer from a mid 4th to a low 2nd, your smoking some good stuff.

                          This has been pointless for some time, so let's end it. We all know you like to ***** and moan like a little girl and it's been fun, but time to move on.
                          Show me the proof that they were offered only a 4. I know for A FACT that they were asking for a #1 which was insane and caused the trade not to happen in the first place. I think you are the one who is being the mommy who needs to defend poor Tuna. Bottom line, they screwed up. I agree, its time to move on.... for you... Deal with it, they screwed up....

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Quagmire View Post
                            I agree, its time to move on.... for you...
                            lol, The guy that starts this very thread, bashes Tuna every time the letters J and T are involved in the same sentence, and repeatedly say "They screwed up" followed by tons of bitching is telling me to move on. Ok buddy. You got it. (rolls eyes)

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Joeyjr09 View Post
                              lol, The guy that starts this very thread, bashes Tuna every time the letters J and T are involved in the same sentence, and repeatedly say "They screwed up" followed by tons of bitching is telling me to move on. Ok buddy. You got it. (rolls eyes)
                              Keep rolling your eyes. You are the one who said you're done with the argument, yet you keep posting on the thread.

                              Yes I am bashing Tuna for his handling of this. Better than drinking the kool-aid and thinking he can do no wrong..... Rose-colored glasses.........

                              BTW, knocking me on the reputation is such a a pu$$y thing to do. I have no problem saying what I think on this board. You get good players through the draft and countless teams turn picks in any round into good players. Since Tuna can do no wrong for you, you should think that he should be able to find another stud defender in any round. You seem to know everything else, I am surprised you could not figure this one out.....
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