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  • #16
    As we all know the Dolphins need SPEED (WR and RB) in a big way on Offense and Special Teams. They also need a QB to bring some competition to Henne. We could use OL help as well. IMO those are the top 3 needs for the fins and they all rate up there pretty high as far as needs. We could argue all day on which need is greater. Other needs include, TE, FS, NT and LB.

    Here are a few players on my wish list. I am not 100% sure what round they are going to fall in but I hope the Dolphins take them.

    RB Dion Lewis -- not real fast but VERY quick. Will be a very good change of pace/3rd down back and special teams returner.

    RB Da’Rel Scott -- Fast RB with good vision and instincts. He also has decent lateral quickness.

    There are 3 TE's that are intriguing to me. They are Jordan Cameron, Rob Housler and Schuylar Oordt. They are not your blocking TE types they are the pass catching TE's and will go in the late rounds. Jordan is my favorite of the 3.

    MY QB wish list goes in order like this below.

    Gabbert, Newton, Mallett, Kaepernick, Locker, Dalton, Stanzi, Devlin and then Van Camp.

    The 1st 2 will be long gone before we pick at 15 but Mallett may be there. Do we risk a 15th pick here or trade down? I say trade down and keep sights on Kaepernick for a real late 1st rnd pick. If we miss the boat on the top 5 then Dalton and Stanzi may be available in the third and Devlin and Van Camp will be available in later rounds. I like Devlin but he may be more a west cost offense guy and not an option. Oh and lets not forget Enderle he could be a late round option too. I say the top 5 QB's listed above will be gone by early 2nd. This is why I would like to see the Fins trade down and pick up Kaepernick late first.

    What say you?

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    • #17
      Interesting tidbit from the Miami Herald.

      http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolph...er-rounds.html

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      • #18
        Did a forum mock elsewhere and here's how it turned out:

        2. Torrey Smith, WR, Maryland
        2. Orlando Franklin, OG/OT, Miami (FL)
        3. Jordan Todman, RB, Connecticut
        3. Will Rackley, OG, Lehigh
        4. D.J. Williams, TE, Arkansas
        5. Traded for Vince Young
        6. Ugo Chinasa, OLB, Oklahoma State
        6. Taylor Potts, QB, Texas Tech
        7. Evan Royster, RB, Penn State
        7. Harold Ayodele, NT, Emporia State
        7. Frank Kearse, DT/DE, Alabama A&M

        Traded around some here and there to acquire more picks/move up and down but overall I was really happy with the haul. Torrey Smith would become the number 2/deep threat we've been needing. Franklin and Rackley would compete for starting OG spots while Franklin could fill in at OT if Carey/Long had injuries. Todman would be, at worst, a COP back/KR while Royster would push Hilliard or be the third down back with his strong receiving and blocking skills. D.J. Williams would provide us with a receiving TE/H-Back which seems to be something the new OC wants to have. Chinasa would give us a pass rush specialist to backup Wake. Kearse would compete for McDaniel's old spot and Ayodele would compete for the backup NT position/give us a developmental guy as Soliai is a one-year wonder at this point and its not certain he'll get an extension immediately. VY and Potts give us an immediate competitor for Henne and a developmental QB as Pennington and Thigpen are likely to depart.

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        • #19
          Nice trades and picks but unless there is a CBA before the draft there will be no player trades. Draft picks can be traded but not players. So the VY trade would not be possible.

          I believe the pick all hinges on how they feel about Henne. If they feel he's only backup material they may take a chance on 1 of these 3 QB's late first -- Mallett, Kaepernick, or Locker. IMO all of those guys will go late 1st, early 2nd and Mallett may even go before that. Plus if Miami is going to take a chance late 1st on 1 of the 3 I would prefer Mallet or Kaepernick. So if Miami likes or wants 1 of those 3 they will prolly have to take that chance in the 1st. Mallet is moving up boards. His talent is overcoming all the issues/non-issues the personal stuff so he may be gone even before our pick at 15. Mallet to me is also a strong possibility if Miami stays at 15. He is meeting with the Fins next week.

          If they feel Henne's the guy then 1 of the top OT's could be a strong possibility in the 1st. There is no doubt we need OL and a good right tackle would fit nicely and I like (Castonzo, Solder and Carimi). Tyron Smith will be gone. They could move Carey into RG. Or they could take Pouncey late 1st.

          I really like the 2 backs I mention and know they can be had in later rounds. I am thinking 3rd or 4th but that is just a guess. What round do you see Da'Rel Scott and Dion Lewis going in?

          If I am GM I trade down in the late 1st and pick up a 2nd rnd pick. Then with the late 1st, I take Mallet if he's there. If not I take Kaepernick.

          My draftmas wish goes like this.

          1st pick 15 -- trade
          Late 1st -- Mallet QB Arkansas
          2nd from trade partner -- Orlando Franklin, OT / OG, Miami (FL)
          3rd # 79 -- Edmond Gates WR Abilene Christian
          4th # 111 -- Jordan Cameron, TE, USC
          5th # 146 -- Taiwan Jones, RB, Eastern Washington
          6th # 179 -- Kris O'Dowd, C, USC
          7th # 217 -- Dion Lewis RB Pitt
          7th # 218 -- Terry Griffin NT Elizabeth City State
          7th # 234 -- Keith Williams OG Nebraska

          What say you?

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          • #20
            Well, we are 17 days and counting... I have begun to feel like some others that QB will not be an early priority (and I hope that is true). The only guy I could see them taking early (n/i Gabbert, Newton) is Stanzi. Just fits too much of the criteria for them to not consider him. If he somehow dropped to rd 3, I think he would be picked. Don't see that happening, though.

            Anyway, in looking at the #15 spot, if no trade down winds up being available, I think there are 3 potential options... Pouncey, Aldon Smith and Ingram. They all have positives, but in the end, I think that I would rank those guys in that order, and I think Pouncey should be the pick, but not to play LG, not center. If Jerry winds up improving (and I think he will), that will give us 3 solid guys for the future of this line. I think Smith would be the next best option despite the more obvious offensive needs. Very talented guy who could be the perfect extra 3rd down pass rusher we need. Last would be Ingram. I just don't see any advantage to taking him when they could use picks in rds 3 to 5 to pick some guys who aren't that far behind him in potential....

            Thoughts?

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            • #21
              Bros- just wondering what you think about the 4th slide of this article

              http://bleacherreport.com/articles/6...81441#comments

              Do you think DeAngelo is a lock for the Fins or do you agree and think that you will resign Ronnie and/or Ricky

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              • #22
                I am really starting to think that they are not going to move down and that the pick will be Kaepernick in rd 1. As much as I would like Mallett to be the pick, I think Kaepernick "fits the suit" for them too much...

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Jimmy View Post
                  Bros- just wondering what you think about the 4th slide of this article

                  http://bleacherreport.com/articles/6...81441#comments

                  Do you think DeAngelo is a lock for the Fins or do you agree and think that you will resign Ronnie and/or Ricky
                  Delayed response but I don't see Ronnie returning. Regime has made a point to mention that durability is key for the RB position. Ricky might be brought back depending how the draft falls but I don't see Ronnie returning barring him getting zero interest in free agency. I think there's a ton of mutual interest for DeAngelo so I'd be surprised we didn't sign him as I don't think he'll get more money elsewhere. Honestly don't think the draft will affect free agency decisions though unless we double down on RBs early. They definitely want to add two to the mix that will definitely stick on the team. Whether its through draft, free agency, or re-signings.

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                  • #24
                    Well, I think Parcells screwed us last night. Have a feeling that what he showed is very similar to Dolphins board.... Some of the names were surprises..

                    Nate Irving - 1st rd
                    Dontay Moch - 2nd rd
                    Gabe Carimi - 3rd rd

                    There were many others referenced in the sun-sentinel article this morning, but I agree with the premise that the Miami board probably looks very similar to the one on TV last night.. That is all we needed.....

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                    • #25
                      I doubt that Parcell's board hurt the Dolphins. I would imagine that several teams boards look the same.

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                      • #26
                        Pouncey it is. As much as I think its a reach, it fills what I considered our top need with the player that most think is the best in this draft so I can live with it. Sucks we couldn't make a trade. Only having one pick on day two sucks, tonight is where the true value of this draft lies.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Grizzlegom View Post
                          Pouncey it is. As much as I think its a reach, it fills what I considered our top need with the player that most think is the best in this draft so I can live with it. Sucks we couldn't make a trade. Only having one pick on day two sucks, tonight is where the true value of this draft lies.
                          Agreed my friend, as usual. :)

                          Dolphins Dream Draft: 1. Jaylon Smith 2. Artie Burns 3. Landon Turner

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                          • #28
                            Thus far, it appears that Ireland's constant harping on speed in all his interviews and stuff was smokescreen cause we're still following the bigger is better Bill Parcells blueprint. Not gonna lie, when I saw we traded up I was freaking out, then I saw the terms of the deal and I was significantly less freaking out, then I saw that we took Daniel Thomas and not Mallett and my freaking outedness turned into bliss. After LeShoure, Thomas and Todman were the two backs I was in love with so I'm happy to come away with one of them.

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                            • #29
                              For Pouncey, on the downside, I don't like him as a person and I will NEVER endorse an interior lineman in the Top 15. On the plus side, I think he definitely solidifies the entire offensive line as a whole, and for anyone that watched the Phins between last season and the season before could see how far our line fell off in between. We gutted the line last year and it was never the same. This should be a big step towards getting it back in that 2009-2010 level.

                              As for Thomas, I really like the player and I don't think it was a reach as he probably went right around where he should have. What I do have a problem with is giving away picks for him when there's a solid chance he would have been there at 79 and if not, there were still PLENTY of good backs we didn't have to give draft picks away for. However, He's probably one the most complete backs that were available at that spot and while I also really liked guys like Kendall Hunter, Jordan Todman, Taiwan Jones and Jacquizz Rodgers, I realize that each of those guys probably would have been much bigger risks in the first 3 rounds than Daniel Thomas. Each of them with the exception of Taiwan are under 5'9", and there are just not a ton of guys in the league that have been successfull at that size. As for Taiwan, I REALLY wanted him, Mallett or Hankerson when we traded up, but I see why they probably didn't want to place the reins of the backfield on someone who's still pretty slight, coming from a D2 school with not a lot of experience at the running back position. He's the homerun hitter we need, but he's probably not a starting running back in the NFL, at least not yet.

                              I definitely feel like I wanted Mallett at 62 because at that point I felt he was definitely worth the risk. But after talking with a buddy of mine, I came away thinking we have a VERY young offense and not so sure we have the infrastructure built with the uncertainty surrounding the QB position, the front office and the rebuilding of the backfield position to support a guy with such question marks surrounding him. When you sit back and look at the way they play, there's really not a HUGE difference between Chad Henne and Mallett and without the right enviroment to succeed, there's a good chance they both end up being the same player. And what would have been the point of going down that road.

                              As for Hankerson, I would've LOVED to pair him with Hankerson (who btw Washington took with our pick at 79) and give Henne a better chance to succeed, then take a TE and RB to surround him with in the 4th and 5th.

                              But overall I think we added two solid football players that WILL help this team, not the most exciting picks, but that's not who we are. And regardless of what these guys in the FO say every offseason, they always do the opposite so we're going to have to just keep that in mind from now on.

                              That being said, I hope we add some nice players here on Day 3. Guys like Quiz Rodgers, Taiwan Jones, Ricky Stanzi, Kendall Hunter, Edmond Gates, Noel Devine, Sam Acho, Tandon Doss, Virgil Green, D.J. Williams and Dwayne Harris could all be big time players and playmakers for us. Let's go get em!

                              Dolphins Dream Draft: 1. Jaylon Smith 2. Artie Burns 3. Landon Turner

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                              • #30
                                Here are my thoughts on this draft.

                                What good is it to add a center that is athletic but not powerful when we're a power running team? What good is adding a speedy receiver if our QB can't hit him unless he's within 10 yards of him? What good is a RB that makes a lot of 10 to 20 yard runs if at the end of the play he fumbles? Believe me, if he had 6 fumbles last yr in college he'll have a whole lot more in the pros. He better get better at holding onto the ball.

                                So if we'd picked Ingram 1st, had the same move up and picked Mallett, then stayed Gates in the 4th we could keep Clay in the 6th and keep Kearse in the 7th and pick Derrick Locke RB (change of pace back) with our last pick. With that draft I would have been screaming for joy intead of screaming mad. AND we could have had it. THEN instead of trying to pick up a has been QB from another team and trading away more draft picks from next yrs draft (God please do not let them do that) we could have just got OL from free agency. THAT makes a whole more sense to me. We would have had a QB for many years to come and could have kept building from that. This coaching staff and GM screwed us out of the excitement Mr. Ross promised. I hope I am wrong but I doubt it. I give Irealnd and Co a C- for this draft. Sorry fellow Dolphin fans but we will be rebuilding yet again next yr.

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