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    We needed a new thread for the 2011 Draft. So someone please sticky this.

    Anyway, to get things rollin', it looks like we are certainly doing our due dilligence on Auburn QB Cam Newton.

    Per Rotoworld and the Miami Herald:

    "The Dolphins are reportedly "heavily researching" Auburn QB Cam Newton."

    http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/02/2...-backs-on.html

    Dolphins Dream Draft: 1. Jaylon Smith 2. Artie Burns 3. Landon Turner

  • #2
    Meh not really a big deal. I would think every team is "heavily researching" if Newton is a franchise QB or not.

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    • #3
      Personally hoping that Newton ends up legitimately raising his stock to the top 10 as I don't really want him on our team. I just don't think he's going to succeed in the NFL and even if he does, I think he needs time to get there and while I think Henne deserves another year with a better supporting cast, I think if we took Newton he'd probably end up playing sooner than later because Ross wants to sell tickets and having Newton play is the best way to do that.

      Overall my dream scenario is that we trade down in the first (maybe more than once depending) and acquire more picks. Its a good year to have multiple 2nd/3rd round picks as the value of players, particularly at positions of need, really falls off after the 3rd this year in my opinion. I'd love to trade back to the late 20s (even early 30s) and acquire a 2nd and maybe an extra 3rd. If we're picking back in the tail end of the first or early second it makes taking someone like Wisniewski or Pouncey much more tolerable (interior line is priority number 1 for me). I'd honestly be a little disappointed in staying put and taking Ingram just because I feel like RB is REALLY deep this year and grabbing someone like Carter, Thomas, Hunter, Williams, Todman, or Vereen with a 3rd round pick isn't much different than using a first on Ingram/LeShoure.

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      • #4
        How would everyone rank our needs? This is how I have it but I'd be interested in seeing everyone else's too:

        Starter:
        1. C
        2. LG
        3. RB (depth only if Ronnie Brown returns)

        Depth:
        4. Deep Threat WR (still think Hartline is decent in his role but would be nice to have him in the 4/ST ace like we wanted him to be when we drafted him)
        5. QB*
        6. Pass catching TE (I like the upside of the young guys we collected last year but wouldn't be opposed with using a top pick on one instead of gambling one of them develops)
        7. Pass rushing specialist OLB (Wake needs a backup and insurance policy)
        8. Swing OT (Nate Garner could be this guy but I still fear a serious injury to Long or Carey enough to list this as a depth need)

        *I am one of those people that still thinks Henne can be a productive NFL QB if he has a running game but last year the interior line and playcalling really killed any ideas of a run game. That's why I put C/OG so high and QB so low. I don't think we can totally ignore QB, we need to bring in a veteran we can trust in case of injury and a young gun, I just don't think we need to take the young gun in the first two rounds.

        I also think it would be nice to find a long-term replacement for Yeremiah Bell but that could be Jones, Clemons, or Amaya so I don't really think we need to address that quite yet. If we lose Soliai, NT becomes a higher need but I like Chris Baker as a developmental guy there so as long as Soliai returns I don't think we need to address NT. I'd actually be ok with the depth inside if we got a good C and LG as Berger and McQ would be solid depth guys, just not good full-time starters. Competition for Polite, Carpenter, and Fields (Carp and Fields more to prevent them from wearing down like they did this year since we had no other camp legs) is necessary but not a draft pick.

        Potential Draft Scenario:
        1 (15). Trade down and get 2nd round pick
        1 (Mid-to-late-20s). Stefen Wisniewski, C, Penn State
        2. Ben Ijalana, OG, Villanova
        3. Delone Carter, RB, Syracuse
        4. Julius Thomas, TE, Portland State
        5. Chris Hairston, OT, Clemson
        6. Taylor Potts, QB, Texas Tech
        7. Craig Marshall, OLB, South Florida
        7. Ricardo Lockette, WR, Fort Valley State

        Through together that draft scenario real quick so don't be take it as gospel haha

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        • #5
          Trade down

          1. Stefan Wisniewski
          2. Jordan Todman
          3. Lance Kendricks
          4. John Moffitt

          O-line: Long, Moffitt, Wisniewski, Garner/Jerry, Carey
          TE: Fasano, Kendricks, Shuler
          RB: Ronnie, Todman, Hilliard, Sheets, Cobbs

          Trade future 1st round pick for Kolb. Get a WR in FA (preferably Jacoby Jones), an OLB for depth in FA....And watch this team make the Playoffs.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Grizzlegom View Post
            How would everyone rank our needs? This is how I have it but I'd be interested in seeing everyone else's too:

            Starter:
            1. C
            2. LG
            3. RB (depth only if Ronnie Brown returns)

            Depth:
            4. Deep Threat WR (still think Hartline is decent in his role but would be nice to have him in the 4/ST ace like we wanted him to be when we drafted him)
            5. QB*
            6. Pass catching TE (I like the upside of the young guys we collected last year but wouldn't be opposed with using a top pick on one instead of gambling one of them develops)
            7. Pass rushing specialist OLB (Wake needs a backup and insurance policy)
            8. Swing OT (Nate Garner could be this guy but I still fear a serious injury to Long or Carey enough to list this as a depth need)

            *I am one of those people that still thinks Henne can be a productive NFL QB if he has a running game but last year the interior line and playcalling really killed any ideas of a run game. That's why I put C/OG so high and QB so low. I don't think we can totally ignore QB, we need to bring in a veteran we can trust in case of injury and a young gun, I just don't think we need to take the young gun in the first two rounds.

            I also think it would be nice to find a long-term replacement for Yeremiah Bell but that could be Jones, Clemons, or Amaya so I don't really think we need to address that quite yet. If we lose Soliai, NT becomes a higher need but I like Chris Baker as a developmental guy there so as long as Soliai returns I don't think we need to address NT. I'd actually be ok with the depth inside if we got a good C and LG as Berger and McQ would be solid depth guys, just not good full-time starters. Competition for Polite, Carpenter, and Fields (Carp and Fields more to prevent them from wearing down like they did this year since we had no other camp legs) is necessary but not a draft pick.

            Potential Draft Scenario:
            1 (15). Trade down and get 2nd round pick
            1 (Mid-to-late-20s). Stefen Wisniewski, C, Penn State
            2. Ben Ijalana, OG, Villanova
            3. Delone Carter, RB, Syracuse
            4. Julius Thomas, TE, Portland State
            5. Chris Hairston, OT, Clemson
            6. Taylor Potts, QB, Texas Tech
            7. Craig Marshall, OLB, South Florida
            7. Ricardo Lockette, WR, Fort Valley State

            Through together that draft scenario real quick so don't be take it as gospel haha
            Wow, I'd be on the verge of suicide if that's how our draft ended up. One of the more bland drafts I've ever seen. Definitely see our FO pulling off something like that though.

            I think our top need is obviously QB right now, but with little to no chance of Cam or Blaine falling to us, a trade down is both likely and essential to our success in this draft. We can grab a QB like Christian Ponder or Ricky Stanzi in the 2nd or 3rd, or maybe even Locker or Mallett depending on how far they fall on draft day.

            In a trade down I could see us going a number of ways, maybe addressing the OL with a guard like Pouncey or an OT like Carimi or Castonzo depending on what we decide to do with Carey in the offseason. But OG and RB probably round off our two other biggest needs besides QB. Obviously RB becomes a higher priority if we let Ronnie AND Ricky walk as expected. I'm still holding out hope we reach a deal with Ronnie though.

            Then the rest of the draft needs to be used to give us some more weapons on offense including a legit #2 WR like Leonard Hankerson, Titus Young or a guy like DeAndre Brown or Tandon Doss in the 4th or 5th. We also need a center that can come in and hold down that spot. We could use a tight end that can actually stretch the field behind Fasano and Shockey, who probably won't be around past this year. Then lastly add some depth at running back, linebacker and maybe even cornerback.

            My list of needs goes like this:

            1. QB
            2. RB
            3. OG/OT
            4. WR
            5. TE
            6. ILB/OLB

            And a draft like this, IMO would settle a lot of these needs:

            (With Trade down)

            1. Mike Pouncey, OG, Florida
            2. Christian Ponder, QB, Florida State
            3. Kendall Hunter, RB, Oklahoma State
            4. Virgil Green, TE, Nevada
            5. DeAndre Brown, WR, Southern Miss
            6. Nick Claytor, OT, Georgia Tech
            7. Alex Wujciak, LB, Maryland
            7. Alex Green, RB, Hawaii
            Last edited by thebow305; 03-03-2011, 09:33 AM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Grizzlegom View Post
              How would everyone rank our needs? This is how I have it but I'd be interested in seeing everyone else's too:

              Starter:
              1. C
              2. LG
              3. RB (depth only if Ronnie Brown returns)

              Depth:
              4. Deep Threat WR (still think Hartline is decent in his role but would be nice to have him in the 4/ST ace like we wanted him to be when we drafted him)
              5. QB*
              6. Pass catching TE (I like the upside of the young guys we collected last year but wouldn't be opposed with using a top pick on one instead of gambling one of them develops)
              7. Pass rushing specialist OLB (Wake needs a backup and insurance policy)
              8. Swing OT (Nate Garner could be this guy but I still fear a serious injury to Long or Carey enough to list this as a depth need)

              *I am one of those people that still thinks Henne can be a productive NFL QB if he has a running game but last year the interior line and playcalling really killed any ideas of a run game. That's why I put C/OG so high and QB so low. I don't think we can totally ignore QB, we need to bring in a veteran we can trust in case of injury and a young gun, I just don't think we need to take the young gun in the first two rounds.

              I also think it would be nice to find a long-term replacement for Yeremiah Bell but that could be Jones, Clemons, or Amaya so I don't really think we need to address that quite yet. If we lose Soliai, NT becomes a higher need but I like Chris Baker as a developmental guy there so as long as Soliai returns I don't think we need to address NT. I'd actually be ok with the depth inside if we got a good C and LG as Berger and McQ would be solid depth guys, just not good full-time starters. Competition for Polite, Carpenter, and Fields (Carp and Fields more to prevent them from wearing down like they did this year since we had no other camp legs) is necessary but not a draft pick.

              Potential Draft Scenario:
              1 (15). Trade down and get 2nd round pick
              1 (Mid-to-late-20s). Stefen Wisniewski, C, Penn State
              2. Ben Ijalana, OG, Villanova
              3. Delone Carter, RB, Syracuse
              4. Julius Thomas, TE, Portland State
              5. Chris Hairston, OT, Clemson
              6. Taylor Potts, QB, Texas Tech
              7. Craig Marshall, OLB, South Florida
              7. Ricardo Lockette, WR, Fort Valley State

              Through together that draft scenario real quick so don't be take it as gospel haha
              I would say needs would be:

              QB, RB, Speed WR, Interior OL, TE, ILB, OLB, S

              I say a trade down or 2 could net them an extra #2 and a #3. Lets say to no. 18 with SD for a #3 and to #29 with Chicago for a #2 for my draft scenario.

              As an aside, the 2 players I think they should consider and I think will move up by draft day to around the #15 spot would be Jon Baldwin and Kyle Rudolph. I think both will be big time guys who fill needs. I also think the OL positions will be taken care of with a big FA signing (whenever that is) A guy like a Blalock or Davin Joseph could be a target...

              Anyway, here we go.

              1 - Ryan Mallett
              2 - Cecil Shorts
              3a - Kendall Hunter
              3b - Bilal Powell
              4 - Virgil Green
              After that, best available....

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              • #8
                Is anyone else getting sick of seeing every mock having us take Mark Ingram? I mean seriously. Ingram isnt an elite back so why waste a top half pick on the guy? I just cant see how that would be a good pick. RB's are dime a dozen and we can easily find us a good back in the 3rd round. Now if we were able to trade down to mid 20's and pick up a 2nd, then I wouldnt mind Ingram but no way at 15th and without a 2nd rounder.

                Props to fenikz on the awesome sig

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Da-Phins View Post
                  Is anyone else getting sick of seeing every mock having us take Mark Ingram? I mean seriously. Ingram isnt an elite back so why waste a top half pick on the guy? I just cant see how that would be a good pick. RB's are dime a dozen and we can easily find us a good back in the 3rd round. Now if we were able to trade down to mid 20's and pick up a 2nd, then I wouldnt mind Ingram but no way at 15th and without a 2nd rounder.
                  I totally agree with you. It's getting quite annoying seeing Ingram's name in there in every mock. There's some great options for us in the 3rd round that would fill the exact same role, in my latest mock I've got us taking Ryan Williams there. I'm not even sure that Ingram is worth a 1st round pick in the first place. We have way more needs to take a RB that high.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by 4U2NV View Post
                    I totally agree with you. It's getting quite annoying seeing Ingram's name in there in every mock. There's some great options for us in the 3rd round that would fill the exact same role, in my latest mock I've got us taking Ryan Williams there. I'm not even sure that Ingram is worth a 1st round pick in the first place. We have way more needs to take a RB that high.
                    You ould be onto somethign with that Williams pick. We've shown a ton of interest in him so far. Maybe we've cooled on taking Ingram so high and could be targeting a trade down to get a 2nd and getting Williams there in the 2nd. I'm on board, I love this kid!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by thebow305 View Post
                      You ould be onto somethign with that Williams pick. We've shown a ton of interest in him so far. Maybe we've cooled on taking Ingram so high and could be targeting a trade down to get a 2nd and getting Williams there in the 2nd. I'm on board, I love this kid!
                      That would be perfect. Trade down to take a guard, get Williams in the 2nd and look for help on D in the 3rd.

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                      • #12
                        Don't mean to troll or anything, but as a Bucs fan, and hearings from certain boards, Miami may be looking to trade out of the 15 spot. Most mocks have Kerrigan going to Jacksonville at 16 and the Bucs have Kerrigan high on there board. As Dolphin fans, what do you think would be a reasonable trade up from 20 to 15? I was thinking a 1st, 3rd in this years draft, and 2012 5th round pick that can be a 4th with certain incentives.

                        I think Miami is a prime candidate for a trading partner with the Bucs who are going to covet a DE and to move up to 15 from 20 should not cost a 2nd round pick.

                        Thoughts?

                        Thanks.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by bucfan12 View Post
                          Don't mean to troll or anything, but as a Bucs fan, and hearings from certain boards, Miami may be looking to trade out of the 15 spot. Most mocks have Kerrigan going to Jacksonville at 16 and the Bucs have Kerrigan high on there board. As Dolphin fans, what do you think would be a reasonable trade up from 20 to 15? I was thinking a 1st, 3rd in this years draft, and 2012 5th round pick that can be a 4th with certain incentives.

                          I think Miami is a prime candidate for a trading partner with the Bucs who are going to covet a DE and to move up to 15 from 20 should not cost a 2nd round pick.

                          Thoughts?

                          Thanks.
                          Definitely think Miami is going to trade down but I'm not sure 20 is far enough. We REALLY want to get a 2nd round pick and there's a good chance there will be some great players on the board when we pick so I wouldn't be surprised to see a better offer come across that gives us that 2nd rounder.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 4U2NV View Post
                            I totally agree with you. It's getting quite annoying seeing Ingram's name in there in every mock. There's some great options for us in the 3rd round that would fill the exact same role, in my latest mock I've got us taking Ryan Williams there. I'm not even sure that Ingram is worth a 1st round pick in the first place. We have way more needs to take a RB that high.
                            I think we're all sick of ingram there but fact is, nobody has Julio falling to us and nobody wants to put a big reach there like Pouncey or one of the QBs and nobody projects trades so its tough to find anything else.

                            FWIW, the two RBs I like the most are Jordan Todman and Shane Vereen. Lots of guys to like for a number of reasons this year so it should be interesting to see which one we end up with.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by thebow305 View Post
                              Wow, I'd be on the verge of suicide if that's how our draft ended up. One of the more bland drafts I've ever seen. Definitely see our FO pulling off something like that though.
                              hahahaha, and this is why our opinions differ so much. i HATE flashy picks. I'm all about having a higher floor than a higher ceiling.

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