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  • Originally posted by draftguru151 View Post
    3 years ago Culpepper was a MVP caliber QB. Hartwell was a good MLB next to Ray Lewis. He was pretty much saying to you that you saying your logic doesn't make sense, which it really doesn't. He didn't say he didn't want those guys, you were saying you don't want underachievers but you want Napolean Harris.
    How does my logic no makes sense. Napolean Harris providing some depth at LB with a 6 years deal and only 6 million guaranteed makes alot of sense. Hartwell at that price would make alot of sense. Culpepper at 6 million per year does not makes sense. I said I didn't want old, overpriced underachievers. Harris and Hartwell are not old of overpriced. If they mess up you can deal with it because they don't break the bank. Culpepper is breaking the bank. It's really an easy concept.

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    • Originally posted by draftguru151 View Post
      John Clayton just said it is likely that Culpepper and Lemon and a development QB are going to be in camp next year. Cameron likes what he sees from Culpepper working out and we didn't have a lot of people at Quinn's pro day. So it looks like Culpepper and Lemon will be the #1 and #2 next year.
      Last year the Broncos didn't speak with Cutler or se him work out before the draft and still took him so don't look too much into that. Our Qb is personally training Quinn so don't look too much into them not going to the Pro Day. They already got all the info they need on him. Besides every analyist is saying Culpepper is the starter. They aren't going to start making up other stuff without evidence so the easy line right now is that Culpepper is the starter. Fact is tho that you really won't know until the training camps start.

      Where does everyon get that Cameron likes Culpepper? Have you read any of the local papers or interviews with Cameron. He has never said he wants Culpepper to be his QB. He simply takes that company line and says that Culpepper has had a solid career and can be a solid NFL starter. Not that he loves Culpepper and wants Culpepper to run his team. I'm not sure if any of you live in Miami and actualyl read the local papers or just read the crap the ESPN reporters spit out there.

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      • You are aware both the sun-sentinel and miami herald are on the internet right? So even if they didn't live here they could read the same articles. Cameron was on NFL network a few weeks ago and said he likes what he is seeing out of Culpepper working out in the offseason. As of right now nothing but positive things have come out of Cameron's mouth about both QBs. I haven't heard anyone close to the situation or anyone that has actually talked to the coaches say anything but positive things about Culpepper and Lemon. We are putting a lot of work into resigning Lemon. Why would we do that if we have plans to take a QB in the draft. Cameron and Wayne have a win now attitude and taking a QB in round one would be the complete opposite of that. Is there a chance we take a QB? Yes, but right now everything is saying we aren't.

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        • Jay Feeley (K) was signed. More accurate than Mare but not the leg. He will be a good amount cheaper though. Hopefully no one pays Mare so we can bring him back as a KO specialist.

          That is correct comahan
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          • Originally posted by draftguru151 View Post
            You are aware both the sun-sentinel and miami herald are on the internet right? So even if they didn't live here they could read the same articles.
            Let's use a little common sense here. Most local people read their local papers. People from St. Louis generally don't read the Miami Herald and people from Miami generally don't read the St. Louis Post (or w/e it's called) even if they are both on the internet.

            Originally posted by draftguru151 View Post
            Cameron was on NFL network a few weeks ago and said he likes what he is seeing out of Culpepper working out in the offseason. As of right now nothing but positive things have come out of Cameron's mouth about both QBs.
            What do you think he's gonna say? Culpepper sucks, I hate him. I want to cut him but he costs too much. Read between the lines buddy. Cameron loves Lemon. He has said Lemon can start in this league and how much potential Lemon has how good be can be. Cameron comments about Culpepper have generally been "I respect how hard he's working, I think he's done great things in this league, I think think he's a good QB, but I want to evaluate him on my own." There's a difference between what he's saying about the two QBs.

            Originally posted by draftguru151 View Post
            I haven't heard anyone close to the situation or anyone that has actually talked to the coaches say anything but positive things about Culpepper and Lemon.
            dude come on now. Let's get real. They aren't going to say anythign bad about the guys to the public. It's bad PR. Even the Eagles were saying how much the cheerished TO but it was time to make a change after all the issues. It's typical business talks. Learn to read between the lines.

            Originally posted by draftguru151 View Post
            We are putting a lot of work into resigning Lemon. Why would we do that if we have plans to take a QB in the draft.
            Is that a serious statement? Lemon has alot of upside and is a top backup. We aren't putting alot of work into resigning Lemon. All we did was offer him a RFA tender of 1.3 million. I mean damn, the Bucs in one year have signed Chris Simms and Jeff Garcia, drafted Bruce Gradkowski, and traded for Jake Plummer. Yet you still think resigning last year's 3rd string QB is enough to stop the Dolphins from drafting a QB?

            Cam Cameron is a QB coach. He loves developing QBs. Randy Mueller loves to stock pile QBs. At one point during his time in NO he had Aaron Brooks, Jeff Delhomme, Marc Bulger and Jeff Blake on the same roster. They are more likely to draft a QB then not. He has even stated that he would like to have the team in a position where he could draft a QB every season.

            Originally posted by draftguru151 View Post
            Cameron and Wayne have a win now attitude and taking a QB in round one would be the complete opposite of that. Is there a chance we take a QB? Yes, but right now everything is saying we aren't.
            You obviously don't read much about the Dolphins. Everythin is saying we are taking a QB, even if it's not in round 1. Win now attitude? He just cut Carter McIntosh, James, Traylor, Bowens, Zgonina, Morris, Welker, McMichael. Does that really spell win now to you? Every team acts like they are trying to win now. He's trying to rebuild but keep the team somewhat competetive at the same time. This team is not built to win now. There's too many holes on this team and your blind if you think Cam Cameron is doing anything that trying to rebuild this team as fast as possible.

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            • Originally posted by Joeyjr09 View Post
              Let's use a little common sense here. Most local people read their local papers. People from St. Louis generally don't read the Miami Herald and people from Miami generally don't read the St. Louis Post (or w/e it's called) even if they are both on the internet.



              What do you think he's gonna say? Culpepper sucks, I hate him. I want to cut him but he costs too much. Read between the lines buddy. Cameron loves Lemon. He has said Lemon can start in this league and how much potential Lemon has how good be can be. Cameron comments about Culpepper have generally been "I respect how hard he's working, I think he's done great things in this league, I think think he's a good QB, but I want to evaluate him on my own." There's a difference between what he's saying about the two QBs.



              dude come on now. Let's get real. They aren't going to say anythign bad about the guys to the public. It's bad PR. Even the Eagles were saying how much the cheerished TO but it was time to make a change after all the issues. It's typical business talks. Learn to read between the lines.



              Is that a serious statement? Lemon has alot of upside and is a top backup. We aren't putting alot of work into resigning Lemon. All we did was offer him a RFA tender of 1.3 million. I mean damn, the Bucs in one year have signed Chris Simms and Jeff Garcia, drafted Bruce Gradkowski, and traded for Jake Plummer. Yet you still think resigning last year's 3rd string QB is enough to stop the Dolphins from drafting a QB?

              Cam Cameron is a QB coach. He loves developing QBs. Randy Mueller loves to stock pile QBs. At one point during his time in NO he had Aaron Brooks, Jeff Delhomme, Marc Bulger and Jeff Blake on the same roster. They are more likely to draft a QB then not. He has even stated that he would like to have the team in a position where he could draft a QB every season.



              You obviously don't read much about the Dolphins. Everythin is saying we are taking a QB, even if it's not in round 1. Win now attitude? He just cut Carter McIntosh, James, Traylor, Bowens, Zgonina, Morris, Welker, McMichael. Does that really spell win now to you? Every team acts like they are trying to win now. He's trying to rebuild but keep the team somewhat competetive at the same time. This team is not built to win now. There's too many holes on this team and your blind if you think Cam Cameron is doing anything that trying to rebuild this team as fast as possible.

              Wow that was a long post just to start an argument...its pointless..just a few notes:
              1) he said people COULD read the miami papers...and alot of dolphin fans do..i know i do and im from NY
              2)wut is this "everything" telling you were gonna take a qb
              3)if we arent trying to win now why do we sign an aging star linebacker in porter
              4)i dunno i know i saw more at the time but i dont care anymore

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              • Originally posted by the dolphins depress me View Post
                Wow that was a long post just to start an argument...its pointless..just a few notes:
                It's called debate or discussion. It's what happens on message boards. People have different ideas on what they want for their teams. We come on here and debate each other, that's then entire point of these things. If you don't like it then don't get involved.

                Originally posted by the dolphins depress me View Post
                1) he said people COULD read the miami papers...and alot of dolphin fans do..i know i do and im from NY
                You are an exception not the rule. Generally people that don't live in Miami don't read Miami papers.

                Originally posted by the dolphins depress me View Post
                2)wut is this "everything" telling you were gonna take a qb
                Did you not read the post? Our GM already came out and said he would dratf a QB in every single draft if he could. Cam loves to groom QBs and has made a livings off of grooming them. Our QB coach is training Brady Quinn for the draft. Randy Muller loves to stock QBs so much that he had Marc Bulger, Jeff Blake, Jake Delhomme and Aaron Brooks on the same team. How are those not signs that we are likely to draft a QB? I mean damn let's use so some logic here and read my post.

                Originally posted by the dolphins depress me View Post
                3)if we arent trying to win now why do we sign an aging star linebacker in porter
                He's 29 years old so he still has a few good years left. Plus I said we are rebuilding but still trying to keep the team competetive. No NFL team goes into the season saying "I wanna be like the Raiders because we are rebuilding" The Brown signs Steinbech and they might be in worse shape then us. Signing a FA or two doesn't mean that the team isn't trying to rebuild. Porter is part of the rebuilding. Just look at all the players Cam let go. His trying to bring in his guys and Porter is one of them.
                Last edited by Joeyjr09; 03-06-2007, 06:02 PM.

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                • Do you want to contradict yourself, use false facts, or ignore my points anymore or are you done?

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                  • My new Fins draft:
                    ****** We sign Trent Green, Bobby Engram, and a few O-lineman
                    ROUND 1: GAINES ADAMS/ DE-LB/ CLEMSON
                    ROUND 2A: JOE STALEY/ OT/ CENTRAL MICHIGAN
                    ROUND 2B: JOSH WILSON/ CB/ MARYLAND
                    ROUND 3: BRANDON MEBANE/ DT/ CALIFORNIA
                    ROUND 4: CHANSI STUCKEY/ WR/ CLEMSON
                    ROUND 6A: JASON SNELLING/ FB/ VIRGINIA
                    ROUND 6B: MICHAEL ALLAN/ TE/ WHITWORTH
                    ROUND 7A: STEPHEN BERG/ OG/ ARIZONA STATE
                    ROUND 7B: DAREN STONE/ S/ MAINE
                    Last edited by BehrenMan007; 03-06-2007, 08:34 PM.

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                    • Originally posted by draftguru151 View Post
                      Do you want to contradict yourself, use false facts, or ignore my points anymore or are you done?
                      Please elaborate. I'd love to see where i contradict myself or make false facts. Juts beacuse I don't take things at face value and try to read between the line doesnt mean I make up false facts. It makes I take more time to analyse then any of you.

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                      • Originally posted by BehrenMan007 View Post
                        My new Fins draft:
                        ****** We sign Trent Green, Bobby Engram, and a few O-lineman
                        ROUND 1: GAINES ADAMS/ DE-LB/ CLEMSON
                        ROUND 2A: JOE STALEY/ OT/ CENTRAL MICHIGAN
                        ROUND 2B: JOSH WILSON/ CB/ MARYLAND
                        ROUND 3: BRANDON MEBANE/ DT/ CALIFORNIA
                        ROUND 4: CHANSI STUCKEY/ WR/ CLEMSON
                        ROUND 6A: JASON SNELLING/ FB/ VIRGINIA
                        ROUND 6B: MICHAEL ALLAN/ TE/ WHITWORTH
                        ROUND 7A: STEPHEN BERG/ OG/ ARIZONA STATE
                        ROUND 7B: DAREN STONE/ S/ MAINE
                        Mebane isn't really a 3-4 player. Snelling is more of a running FB than blocking one, but I would like him there, similar to Sammy Morris. Allan has a chance at day 1 with someone reaching on potential and I don't see him falling to late 6. I really like Stone and think he could be one of the mid/late round safeties that turns out well. I really like the first 3 picks, I love Stuckey as a slot receiver. Berg is an ok pick but some late round guys I like at OL are Brian Daniels and Mark Fenton from Colorado, and Kyle Cook from Michigan State. Cook can play any position on the OL, and while I haven't seen a whole lot of him, what I have seen I've really liked. Good mock overall though, realistic other than Allan.

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                        • Originally posted by Joeyjr09 View Post
                          It makes I take more time to analyse then any of you.
                          I thought you made a lot of good points in your post. Although, I do read the Miami Herald daily on the internet from New Jersey. It is clear that Cameron is cutting a lot of players that are either over-paid or older or both. Sooner or later it needed to be done. I was actually a little disappointed that Saban didn't do it because he ended up just treading water.

                          I think the Joey Porter signing is interesting. I like him, and I'm a big believer in blitzing and using speed rushers. I'm picturing what Dom Capers had in Pittsburgh in 1995 with Kevin Greene and Greg Lloyd coming off the edges every pass play. With all that said, Porter is 30 in a few weeks and he got a lot of guaranteed money. Has he lost a step, is he somewhat overrated? I don't know. It does seem to me that there's a 30-50% chance that in two years we'll be bemoaning his cap number versus performance and viewing it as Cameron's biggest mistake. (I really hope I'm wrong and you don't get anywhere without taking some risks) I do think he's in the right system (Capers will use him well).

                          As much as I hate to doubt Culpepper and think that we need to start over at QB, it seems like we'd be dumb not to take Brady Quinn if he's there at #9. And I'm not a ND fan or anything.

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                          • [QUOTE=swankdaddy7;195868]I thought you made a lot of good points in your post.

                            It does seem to me that there's a 30-50% chance that in two years we'll be bemoaning his cap number versus performance and viewing it as Cameron's biggest mistake.[QUOTE]


                            Thank God someone has some common sense. I swear some people on here take too much based on face value and don't evne bother to read into things and draw conclusions. I feel like it's a discussion with middle schoolers. I do agree we will be regretting his contract but I also think it's a calculated risk. We will have much more cap room after the release of all these overpaid players that taking a gamble on a Joey Porter to mentor and work with young guys and hold the fort for a few years will be worth while. IF in two years it didn't work out, we cut him the same way we cut guys this year and by that time our cap will be in much better situations and loosing a Joey Porter won't be as drastic as loosing half the offensive and defensive lines. I mean I really don't see it being as risky as the Culpepper move last season which everyone loved and we didn't have to give up a draft pick. Also considering the market the deal isn't outrageous. He's is making a little less the Adalius Thomas and he is a lesser player. The Thomas signing was reasonable and I don't see this deal as being something that will kill the team in two years like the Steinbech or Dockery deals will.

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                            • a.) i dont like the porter signing. i live in PA and i watched all the steelers games last year because thats what was on (no direct TV in the dorms) and honestly, he's really gotten a lot slower the past few years. although he was "the guy" and maybe he couldnt handle it. with JT getting the double teams, porter could see his production jump again...idk.
                              b.) i live in PA and i read the papers down there to check up on the dolphins stuff.
                              c.) drafting quinn is moving backwards, dont get me wrong i love the idea and id prefer it but i cant see us drafting him. there would be WAY too much money tied up in the position if we do as i expect cameron to sign lemon to a longer-term deal that could make him one of the highest paid backups in the league. i do expect us to draft a QB, but it will be a day two developmental guy. you obviously have a personal vendetta against culpepper. i mean i never liked the trade and dislike him but damn...
                              d.) we didnt release traylor, mcintosh, Bowens, Zgonina, or morris. they were free agents. as was welker, who we were gonna lose anyway so we got something for him instead.

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                              • Originally posted by BehrenMan007 View Post
                                My new Fins draft:
                                ****** We sign Trent Green, Bobby Engram, and a few O-lineman
                                ROUND 1: GAINES ADAMS/ DE-LB/ CLEMSON
                                ROUND 2A: JOE STALEY/ OT/ CENTRAL MICHIGAN
                                ROUND 2B: JOSH WILSON/ CB/ MARYLAND
                                ROUND 3: BRANDON MEBANE/ DT/ CALIFORNIA
                                ROUND 4: CHANSI STUCKEY/ WR/ CLEMSON
                                ROUND 6A: JASON SNELLING/ FB/ VIRGINIA
                                ROUND 6B: MICHAEL ALLAN/ TE/ WHITWORTH
                                ROUND 7A: STEPHEN BERG/ OG/ ARIZONA STATE
                                ROUND 7B: DAREN STONE/ S/ MAINE
                                i like this draft. i highly doubt adams is gonna fall to us after the combine he had but its possible and id love it if he did. i love staley and stuckey too. berg and stone are both decent. wilson could walk right into the KR/PR role vacated by welker and potentially be our dime back. snelling and mebane i like as prospects but i dont think they fit our system very well.

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