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  • #61
    Originally posted by jerthemessiah View Post
    So in round one do the Titans draft a QB if he's the BPA? Do the Saints draft another RB if he's the BPA? Do the Cardnals take Quinn if he slips?
    We didnt draft Reggie Bush or Vince Young and we dont have Steve McNair or Deuce on our team at the moment. We have a young guy who looked no better than Brooks Bollinger did for the Jets as our starter. We have, at best, a project at QB, most likely we have a career backup who might put up some numbers on a bad team but wont ever win, at worst case, a guy who costs us an elite QB talent because we waste 3 years trying to justify reaching for him.

    Its the most dangerous thing a team can do that old reaching. Once you reach you are then forced to try and prove the reach right, therefore passing up on options that arent reaches just to try and prove the pick right. There are very few reaches that are ever made that work out. Especially more recently when scouting has become a corporate event and is beyond serious.

    We have a nice prospect at QB and a career 3rd stringer. If we have the option to pick a blue chipper we should pick him. We currently have Rex Grossman, why settle for that when Peyton Manning is available. Thats what this is at the moment. I dont have a problem with giving TJ time and the chance, but I also dont think it should come at the expense of the opportunity of taking Brady.

    The only positive is that if we pass on Brady and stick with TJ and assuming we cant get CJ, we dont address the O-Line problems and we dont get ourselves a legit franchise back, we will look the same as the Raiders did this year and have a really good chance of a top pick next year so that we can argue whether or not we should take Brohm or Henne because 2 years ago we invested so much in TJ and he showed flashes.

    Brady Quinn is the opportunity to refresh the franchise and start heading in a new direction, natural born leaders dont come along that often and Brady is one.

    All that said, it doesnt matter who is playing QB because we dont have a RB, LT, RG, RT, WR, WR or TE worth mentioning and our FB is coming off major surgery. We look pretty good defensively but on paper we may have the worst offense in the league.


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    • #62
      Originally posted by jerthemessiah View Post
      DT's make your LB's better. Okoye could help the seconday too. If they had a guy inside besides K Will that could rush the passer on third and long it would do a lot for the pass defense. James, K Will, Okoye, and Ray Edwards on the d-line passing downs. Not too shabby.
      I'm not saying DTs aren't valuable. My entire point is when you have 2 guys who play at a pro bowl level, it's not an area of concern.
      PLUS the DT position this year is pretty deep...plus next years top tier DT's are even better than Okoye or Branch this year, hell Dorsey is probably the best DT prospect to play in college since Sapp was.
      We could very well take a DT in rounds 2 or 3 or 4 that'd serve just as good a backup as Okoye or Branch. When there are other positions where the talent is better..you take the talent.

      Smoot was garbage last year. They cut him. A lot of people could have beat him out.
      This sounds like spite, Smoot is a bad #2...he's probably a top tier nickel though.
      You are implanting an unknown quantity with two other unknown quantitys. Giving the team 3 unknown quantitys. Quinn has proven nothing at the NFL level.
      By that rational we should never take a college QB then..we should always
      take the "proven NFL" QB. C'mon man, even you can't buy into that.
      It also gives the coaching staff less time to teach them all. They would have 3 QB's to develop. That's just ridiculous. Has any team ever in the history of the NFL taken QB's in back to back years so high in the draft?
      Taking talent never sets you back. If the current QB's don't "get it" meaning the system by now, it's never going to happen for them..it's over a year old to them. PLUS I keep telling everyone BQ wouldn't be the starter from day 1.
      The starter this year (going into the year will be Bollinger or Jackson. That's a fact. If they falter, the season is a complete wash.
      If you can throw a QB in who might be able to "right the ship" and send your franchise into that direction to the playoffs for the future...tell me how that isn't better ?
      If Jackson or Bollinger takes this team to the S.B. what have we lost ?
      We have much more to lose by not taking him than we have to gain by taking another position to "fill a need".

      So in round one do the Titans draft a QB if he's the BPA? Do the Saints draft another RB if he's the BPA? Do the Cardnals take Quinn if he slips?
      Again, The Titans and Cardinals to premier QB's they didn't reach for a 4th or 5th round guy and make him their starter by default.
      ...and I hope you realize you are trying to compare Leinart and Young to Tarvaris Jackson.....come on now.

      Cunningham was ancient and so was George. If we had Brad Johnson and Brian Greise as our QB's I'd be all for taking some youth. Even if we had old guys that were decent like Steve Mcnair and Jeff Garcia.
      Cunningham had just thrown for 4000 yards and won the league MVP.
      I don't care how old the guy is , if they can do that , they can play.

      Just about the entire staff was there. A lot of them weren't even needed. Even Ziggy was there. It was a parade. They might even have been throwing candy. The press was everywhere. They just wanted to make sure everyone knew they were there. If they wanted Quinn they would be sceduling workouts or interviews for some other guy and everyone and thier cousin would be at somebody elses pro day. Childress does not show any cards prior to draft day.
      Link please.
      Everything I've read said Childress and perhaps Wilf were there...I've not seen where "everyone and their mother" from the Vikes were there.

      It's for leverage in a trade. I think the goal this year is trade down.
      Speculation.
      Last edited by Severe Punishment; 03-22-2007, 04:03 PM.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by wogitalia
        We have a nice prospect at QB and a career 3rd stringer. If we have the option to pick a blue chipper we should pick him. We currently have Rex Grossman, why settle for that when Peyton Manning is available. Thats what this is at the moment. I dont have a problem with giving TJ time and the chance, but I also dont think it should come at the expense of the opportunity of taking Brady.
        I dont like the comparison to rex grossman becuase right now i would take even T-Jack over grossman but the general idea behind the statement is right... anyways id agree if we got quinn that we still would give T-Jack the chance to prove all you doubters wrong but yet we would still have the Insurance policy in Quinn which would be nice

        Originally posted by wogitalia
        All that said, it doesnt matter who is playing QB because we dont have a RB, LT, RG, RT, WR, WR or TE worth mentioning and our FB is coming off major surgery. We look pretty good defensively but on paper we may have the worst offense in the league.
        Take RB, and LT off and its right i dont see where the anti-C. Taylor feelings come from he did VERY well last he was on a pace for 1500+ had he been healthy all year, this year if he cant stay healthy through this entire season than we have a need at RB and the next few years of Running backs are looking good anyways. LT Byrant McKennie had 1 down year(and it wasnt even much of a down year) so that all of the sudden make us not have a LT? thats just ludacris.

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        • #64
          I'm just curious as to why the Grossman comparisson is bad...just saying it's bad doesn't make it so...care to give a reason or 2 as to why they're not
          similar ?

          Agree with McKinney and Chester Taylor Chris, seems there's no love on here for either..and to me it's confussing..as they were both fairly productive (and McKinney's been very good for the last 3 years)

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          • #65
            McKinnie is a fringe Pro Bowler. I have no idea why Vikings fans hate on him. They rag on him because he might have 1 bad play in a game, and they use that to categorize a season's worth of performance. Childress and the coaching staff see him every day in practice, and McKinnie must be performing to warrant the contract extension he received.

            Chester Taylor is a 2nd to 3rd tier RB.
            "Kenny Phillips has the body of Sean Taylor and the speed and knowledge of Ed Reed"

            sig by vikes99ej

            RIP Sean Taylor
            4/1/1983 - 11/27/2007

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            • #66
              He recieved that extension in part because LT's in this league are such a rare commodity. When you have one that's good you don't let him walk...boat party or no boat party.

              (for those keeping score at home the other 3 from the now infamous "love boat" have all been shown the door. Culpepper / Smoot / Moe Williams)
              Hardly the concensus thought after it happend and there was "no way" we'd let Culpepper and Smoot leave.

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              • #67
                Culpepper leaving had nothing to do with the boat party. His charges were dropped, whereas the other three plead guilty.

                Daunte left because of his injury and because he butted heads with Childress.

                Smoot leaving had nothing to do with the boat party either. He got outplayed by a rookie, lost his job, didn't want to be a nickel back, and was getting paid too much to be a nickel back.
                "Kenny Phillips has the body of Sean Taylor and the speed and knowledge of Ed Reed"

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                RIP Sean Taylor
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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Severe Punishment
                  I'm just curious as to why the Grossman comparisson is bad...just saying it's bad doesn't make it so...care to give a reason or 2 as to why they're not
                  similar ?
                  I really dont know how a Injury prone, Extremely inconsistent, overly Cocky quaterback can be compared to a kid who has had a couple of starts in the NFL whether they are bad or not

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Severe Punishment View Post
                    I'm just curious as to why the Grossman comparisson is bad...just saying it's bad doesn't make it so...care to give a reason or 2 as to why they're not
                    similar ?

                    Agree with McKinney and Chester Taylor Chris, seems there's no love on here for either..and to me it's confussing..as they were both fairly productive (and McKinney's been very good for the last 3 years)
                    The Grossman comparison was more a superbowl reference than an actual comparison. Both do have strong arms though and TJ did look just about as lost for the most part but other than that, they really dont compare, as I said, superbowl comparison.

                    I dont mind Taylor or McKinney. I would love to see us get a legit LT and move McKinney to RT, I haven't watched a lot prior to this year and he looked fairly lost at times(so did everyone which is on Childress to me) but he isnt bad, certainly is only the 3rd biggest worry on the O-Line behind a non-existent right side. Taylor is a solid back, but thats it. He is not a franchise back and I would prefer him as the 2nd back. Basically my problem with him is that at the moment he is on a team thats coach thinks he is franchise back and thats a problem. If Childress is going to continue with the whole pound the crap out of the ball and completely ignore WR and TE as options on offense than we need a franchise back, which Chester isnt.

                    If we however were to pick up a very good QB(Brady for instance) and add a receiving option or 3 then Chester is a fine solution. Basically if Childress changes his philosophy on offense than Chester is fine. If he is going to persist with what he showed last year than Chester wont do. What I say about the RB need is more to do with that than Chester, we either add WRs and a QB and have the coach look to pass or we need a franchise level back. Peterson if available would be option 2. Trading up for CJ or taking Quinn would be more along the lines of option 1.


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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by swagger View Post
                      Culpepper leaving had nothing to do with the boat party. His charges were dropped, whereas the other three plead guilty.

                      Daunte left because of his injury and because he butted heads with Childress.

                      Smoot leaving had nothing to do with the boat party either. He got outplayed by a rookie, lost his job, didn't want to be a nickel back, and was getting paid too much to be a nickel back.
                      Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Severe Punishment View Post
                        yeah, you're right...he's cut he won't be back...err, umm
                        http://www.kffl.com/player/1278/nfl

                        If I were a betting man, I'd put 20 on him coming back.
                        Originally posted by swagger View Post
                        I will bet you $20 Kolodziej won't be on the roster next year.
                        Originally posted by Severe Punishment View Post
                        I'd take that bet, but you wouldn't be the first internet tough guy to welch on a bet with me...plus there'd be almost no way to collect my money when he resigns.
                        Originally posted by swagger View Post
                        I will gladly bet anything that Ross Kolod%&$#zjzjziej will not be on the roster next year.

                        Why would we cut him then? Defensive Tackle depth was already a problem.

                        He was making the league minimum. If we re-signed him in the new market, he would probably end up with a higher salary then if we didn't cut him in the first place. Why would we cut him and then bring him back at a higher salary?

                        Find me one reason for cutting him and then re-signing him.


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                        I was right, you were wrong.... again.
                        "Kenny Phillips has the body of Sean Taylor and the speed and knowledge of Ed Reed"

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