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  • Originally posted by Saints Dome Patrol View Post
    Wide receiver Brandon Stokely signed an one-year agreement with...the Denver Broncos.

    Just another hit and miss, eh Auron?
    Eh no biggie, would've been a nice situational target / 3rd WR.

    However he is 30 years old, and coming off a torn Achilles tendon injury. There are still other options available when it comes to veteran WRs.

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    • Some more signings of note:

      Linebacker Shawn Barber was signed to a three year deal with the Houston Texans, worth about five million dollars.
      story link: Free agent LB signs with Texans

      *and*

      The St. Louis Rams signed linebacker Chris Draft and cornerback Mike Rumph.
      story link: Rams agree with two free agents

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      • Originally posted by TPFKA#1SaintsFan View Post
        There is a very big difference here. The big money in Joe Horn's contract was to start kicking in this year; I believe his cap number was over $5 million. The money was the primary reason we let Joe go, and his recent lack of production just made it that much easier.

        McCardell could be had for a pretty cheap price. His production dropped off LAST YEAR, not the last few years. Look at his 05 season (his last season with Drew); he was a very solid starter.

        Now, maybe I didn't clarify. I don't expect him to produce like a 25, 30, or even a 35 year old version of Keenan McCardell produced. That would be flat out silly to expect. What I do think he would bring to our receiving corps is a veteran presence with reliable hands for a cheap price tag. Something very much like Ricky Proehl was for the Carolina Panthers a few years ago. They signed him at age 36, and he went on to have three seasons of solid, reliable play as the #3 or #4 receiver.

        I'm having a hard time understanding how anybody could be against this.
        Maybe because, well, the fact that we need a true second receiver, since I don't think that either Terrence Copper or Devery Henderson could step in full-time, and that Keenan McCardell is an aging player. While I don't disagree that he could (key word: could) provide depth, I really don't know if I like him in our system.

        If we sign McCardell, then what? Who's our number two receiver? Copper? Henderson? Like I said before, and I'll say it again, neither one of them is a true number two and we need one. I'd rather look to the Draft and select someone to be our second receiver and then that way we have Copper and Henderson as our slot and fourth receivers.

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        • Just to update, Stokely's a member of the Broncos now.

          Broncos, receiver Stokely agree on one-year deal

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          • New news from ESPN, after the Redskins traded safety Adam Archuleta to the Chicago Bears for a sixth round selection, the Redskins turned around and signed free agent safety Omar Stoutmire to a one-year deal.

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            • Originally posted by Saints Dome Patrol View Post
              New news from ESPN, after the Redskins traded safety Adam Archuleta to the Chicago Bears for a sixth round selection, the Redskins turned around and signed free agent safety Omar Stoutmire to a one-year deal.

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              He had his moments last season, but was generally inconsistent, and took some penalties. I think he'll be a fine backup / Special teamer for Washington.


              Also Deon Grant, FA safety that signed with Seattle was on Sirius radio earlier today.. he said the Saints, and Giants were willing to match the offer but he chose Seattle because of the Superbowl rings members of the coaching staff had, and he wanted to go to a new area in the Northwest..

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              • We keep losing out on free agents. I wonder why we're sitting on our hands and not doing anything other than what we have already done.

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                • Originally posted by Saints Dome Patrol View Post
                  Maybe because, well, the fact that we need a true second receiver, since I don't think that either Terrence Copper or Devery Henderson could step in full-time, and that Keenan McCardell is an aging player. While I don't disagree that he could (key word: could) provide depth, I really don't know if I like him in our system.

                  If we sign McCardell, then what? Who's our number two receiver? Copper? Henderson? Like I said before, and I'll say it again, neither one of them is a true number two and we need one. I'd rather look to the Draft and select someone to be our second receiver and then that way we have Copper and Henderson as our slot and fourth receivers.
                  Are you serious? So, you're telling me that if we bring McCardell in, that we can't sign or draft anyone else at WR? Wow, that makes, you know, so much sense!

                  One of the main reasons I'm pulling for McCardell to come to the Saints is to add some veteran insight and leadership to our receiving corps. Our WR's are VERY young. You, on the other hand, want to add a #2 receiver through the draft? I have so many problems with this.

                  - In what round do you suggest we take this #2 WR? Our biggest needs are still on defense. If we don't go defense in at least the first two rounds, I will be pissed. So, do you want a rookie 3rd or 4th round WR to step in and start? Will he really be better than our other options? I doubt it.
                  - Not every rookie is going to be a Marques Colston. Most struggle in their rookie year.
                  - I would MUCH rather start Henderson or Copper for a year. Actually, I'm really hoping Henderson gets the chance. As a former 2nd round pick entering his 4th year in the league, I would like to see what he's got as a starter.
                  - Did I mention how young our guys would be? 23 year old Colston, 24 year old Henderson, 25 year old Copper... not to mention the rookie you want to draft... there isn't much experience between our guys. If only we had a veteran guy who could tutor all these young guys, all the while still being able to produce in a somewhat limited role. Hmm...
                  - WR is NOT an IMMINENT need. We can get by next year with what we have, which is why we should just add some depth through free agency, and maybe another WR on the late second day of the draft, and focus all of our early picks on defense.

                  Colston / Henderson / Copper / McCardell / Jamal Jones / late Day 2 draft pick works just fine.
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                  • They were saying on the sportstalk with bobby hebert on 870 yesterday that the Dolphins are looking to make a contract offer to Terrence Copper that it will be hard for the Saints to match.

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                    • I wonder why the Saints haven't looked at Hartwell the ILB from Atlanta. He was a beast when filling in for Ray Lewis with the Ravens and played well for the Falcons when he wasn't injured.

                      I really don't see the Saints doing much more in FA this year. The class was overall weak, because a lot of teams are holding on to their guys this year since they had all the extra cap room, and also by playing your hand tight this year you set yourself up pretty well for next year when most teams will be right up against the cap like they are in most years. The Saints also have 9 picks in the draft with 6 in the first four rounds. That is a good bit of picks in what is looking like a deep draft, and the Saints have shown they aren't afraid to trade for someone and move down a few spots and pick up a guy in the last year of his contract to see what they can get out of him in his contract year.

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                      • Originally posted by reznola View Post
                        They were saying on the sportstalk with bobby hebert on 870 yesterday that the Dolphins are looking to make a contract offer to Terrence Copper that it will be hard for the Saints to match.
                        And we'd get no compensation.

                        Ugh.
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                        • There really isn't too much more we need to do in free agency. I'd really only like to see us make 2 more moves:

                          1. Bring in a seasoned veteran at WR (Keenan McCardell would be perfect IMO; Bobby Engram would also work)

                          2. Bring in a younger vet DT to add to our rotation (someone like Ian Scott, Anthony Adams, or Kindal Moorehead would be nice)

                          I wouldn't mind us bringing in some depth at CB, but with Fred Thomas returning to the team and our being poised to draft a corner Day 1, I don't think it will happen.
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                          • Originally posted by diabsoule View Post
                            We keep losing out on free agents. I wonder why we're sitting on our hands and not doing anything other than what we have already done.
                            To be honest, I'm gone we haven't done too much. Eric Johnson, Brian Simmons, & KK should be solid additions and on the flipside we aren't selling the farm to sign guys like you see a lot of teams doing this offseason. We can build through the draft for the most part and probably even make some smart draft day trades.
                            The whole world loves neophyte athletic tight end Jimmy Graham from Miami with the 95th pick. "Best pick in the draft,'' one AFC coach told me. "Give him time, and in that offense, he'll be better than [Jeremy] Shockey by the start of next year.''

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                            • Originally posted by Saints Dome Patrol View Post
                              Maybe because, well, the fact that we need a true second receiver, since I don't think that either Terrence Copper or Devery Henderson could step in full-time, and that Keenan McCardell is an aging player. While I don't disagree that he could (key word: could) provide depth, I really don't know if I like him in our system.

                              If we sign McCardell, then what? Who's our number two receiver? Copper? Henderson? Like I said before, and I'll say it again, neither one of them is a true number two and we need one. I'd rather look to the Draft and select someone to be our second receiver and then that way we have Copper and Henderson as our slot and fourth receivers.
                              Originally posted by TPFKA#1SaintsFan View Post
                              Are you serious? So, you're telling me that if we bring McCardell in, that we can't sign or draft anyone else at WR? Wow, that makes, you know, so much sense!

                              One of the main reasons I'm pulling for McCardell to come to the Saints is to add some veteran insight and leadership to our receiving corps. Our WR's are VERY young. You, on the other hand, want to add a #2 receiver through the draft? I have so many problems with this.

                              - In what round do you suggest we take this #2 WR? Our biggest needs are still on defense. If we don't go defense in at least the first two rounds, I will be pissed. So, do you want a rookie 3rd or 4th round WR to step in and start? Will he really be better than our other options? I doubt it.
                              - Not every rookie is going to be a Marques Colston. Most struggle in their rookie year.
                              - I would MUCH rather start Henderson or Copper for a year. Actually, I'm really hoping Henderson gets the chance. As a former 2nd round pick entering his 4th year in the league, I would like to see what he's got as a starter.
                              - Did I mention how young our guys would be? 23 year old Colston, 24 year old Henderson, 25 year old Copper... not to mention the rookie you want to draft... there isn't much experience between our guys. If only we had a veteran guy who could tutor all these young guys, all the while still being able to produce in a somewhat limited role. Hmm...
                              - WR is NOT an IMMINENT need. We can get by next year with what we have, which is why we should just add some depth through free agency, and maybe another WR on the late second day of the draft, and focus all of our early picks on defense.

                              Colston / Henderson / Copper / McCardell / Jamal Jones / late Day 2 draft pick works just fine.
                              TPFKA#1SaintsFan, first and foremost, I would like to ask you to please refrain from insulting other posters, even if you disagree with them. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions on this matter.

                              Now, please, show me where I mentioned that if we were to sign a free agent wide receiver that we would then be unable to select a wide receiver in the Draft.

                              While I don't disagree that our wide receiver corps is very young, I am very wary of signing an almost 40-year-old receiver to a contract. McCardell may have been an excellent player earlier in his career, but as it is, the man is 37-years-old and his production has declined. The idea of bringing a player in for just leadership purposes is moot. We need players that can come in and be leaders, yes, but not who will just sit on the bench and provide that leadership from the sidelines. If we wanted that, we should have kept Joe Horn. Or rather, sign someone like Jerry Rice. I'm sure that he could provide adequate leadership qualities. Or how about someone like Lynn Swann? He is a former Super Bowl MVP, and I definitely know that he could provide some veteran leadership for this young team.

                              Give me a break. I merely stated that I was not a fan of Keenan McCardell as a member of the Saints and you have made me out to sound like I'm against any free agent acquistions. Please. I thought that I made my point perfectly clear. I'll say it again, so perhaps everyone can understand.

                              I am not against the Saints acquiring a free agent wide receiver during free agency.

                              That being said, I would much rather the Saints sign a younger, but still proven veteran receiver and then draft someone who can learn from this veteran and then possibly, step into the role as the number two or three receiver.

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                              • I know some guys have been pointing to Keenan McCardell or Bobby Engram to come to the Saints. While these guys are decent options, they do present some problems. Like SaintsDomePatrol pointed out, McCardell is 37 years old and while he can still contribute, he is not the type of receiver that he was a few years ago and I'm uncertain as to what all he could provide for our team other than leadership.
                                Bobby Engram has been productive but has sat out some games over the past couple of seasons due to some serious injury concerns. He's a veteran, and that would always be good, but how good is a veteran in providing leadership to a young team if he's not on the field because he's injured? That's the same situation that we were in with Joe Horn.

                                I think the receiver we need to look to that is still productive despite his age, and who has the experience and leadership we are looking for is Eric Moulds. Moulds has comprable stats to Joe Horn, along with similar build and speed. He has been in the league for 11 years, the same as Horn, yet does not have the injury concerns. I think he is the receiver that we should be looking at and not McCardell and Engram.

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