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  • Originally posted by nofalcons10 View Post
    brian price?? hahha

    no, brian brice is top 15. we'll never even sniff him. corey wooten, greg hardy or hughes either and dunlap we aren't going to touch because of characther issues.

    there isn't a linebacker out there who is going to come in and take snaps from fujita at strongside either but we damn sure can replace darnell dinkins and bolster our 2-TE set to help our running game even more like the pats did with watson and grahm a few years back.
    You are the first guy who has said Brian Price is Top 15. And you need to check out Sean Weatherspoon. He would replase Fujita. If we reach for anything it would be for a started at a position of need. Dont forget we have David Thomas (who we will resign) And he played decent enough to warrant a comeback for next year. A first on a TE after last years 2nd? No....

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    • Originally posted by nofalcons10 View Post
      oh, but you knew didn't you?

      you were certain that they'd both be saints before it even became news, correct?
      Haha awww you think because you underlined the word you would make me feel better huh? And yeah Ive always envisioned Shockey a Saints. Ive loved Shockey as a player and once we got Payton and things went sour in NY we'd have a shot at him. And Meachem? Who knew he'd fall. Going by your thinking someone else will fall we don't know about so we won't get yoru TE

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      • Originally posted by zachsaints52 View Post
        Haha awww you think because you underlined the word you would make me feel better huh? And yeah Ive always envisioned Shockey a Saints. Ive loved Shockey as a player and once we got Payton and things went sour in NY we'd have a shot at him. And Meachem? Who knew he'd fall. Going by your thinking someone else will fall we don't know about so we won't get yoru TE

        if a defender did fall that we liked, like i said earlier there is always the possibility that we snatch them up. i said so earlier.

        you're saying that there is no way we go tightend no matter the value.

        you told me to get that through my head and i cant. the colts took a runner 2 of the last four years.

        are you going on record and saying that it is impossible? hell, im willing to go on record and say that price will never fall to us.

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        • Originally posted by nofalcons10 View Post
          if a defender did fall that we liked, like i said earlier there is always the possibility that we snatch them up. i said so earlier.

          you're saying that there is no way we go tightend no matter the value.

          you told me to get that through my head and i cant. the colts took a runner 2 of the last four years.

          are you going on record and saying that it is impossible? hell, im willing to go on record and say that price will never fall to us.
          No im saying we aren't gonna use a 1st round pick on a guy who could be a 3rd round pick.
          And Colts? Yeah they need running backs. Addai is usually hurt and Brown fell to them too.
          I don't see this Mccoy dude going even close to us.

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          • Originally posted by zachsaints52 View Post
            You are the first guy who has said Brian Price is Top 15. And you need to check out Sean Weatherspoon. He would replase Fujita. If we reach for anything it would be for a started at a position of need. Dont forget we have David Thomas (who we will resign) And he played decent enough to warrant a comeback for next year. A first on a TE after last years 2nd? No....
            there aren't many 4-3 linebackers in the league now who can replace fujita.

            weatherspoon is a good linebacker but he would not start over fujita. if williams wanted a strongside linebacker early than why not just draft cushing over jenkins last year if he thought that cushing could push fujita?

            dude you can negative rep me all you want, but go to the draft board and argue that gronkowski and mccoy don't have first round talent and you will be negative repping folks all night for not agreeing with you.

            david thomas nor billy miller are the blockers in the run game or passing game that mccoy is. when shockey is out we lose a lot of our unpredictability in the passing game. when dinkins can't catch, miller can't run block and thomas can't either because most of thomas' catches comes primarily as an h-back. he catches passes split out wide or in the backfield out of the shotgun primarily.

            please tell me thomas and miller can run block like shockey can. pleeeeeeeeeease thell me that.

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            • Where's the Vernon Gholston for a third rounder trade in this mock? :p

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              • Originally posted by zachsaints52 View Post
                No im saying we aren't gonna use a 1st round pick on a guy who could be a 3rd round pick.
                And Colts? Yeah they need running backs. Addai is usually hurt and Brown fell to them too.
                I don't see this Mccoy dude going even close to us.
                okay, go on record and say that mccoy wont be a first round pick.

                you don't think reggie bush and shockey miss games every single year? when shockey is out which tightend can do what he can?

                with shockey out we failed to score 20 pts twice. and our running game stunk.

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                • Originally posted by Crickett View Post
                  Where's the Vernon Gholston for a third rounder trade in this mock? :p
                  we have anthony hargrove who played end in st. louis and in buffalo. when we release grant he'll likely slide to LE.

                  it would be nice to get rid of jeff charleston for gholston though.

                  tell me, were you one of those geniuses who just knew that cedric benson would have the year he had in 2009. I mean you probably knew he was capable of it and all, right? because you had the foresight and never gave up on the kid.

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                  • Originally posted by nofalcons10 View Post
                    tell me, were you one of those geniuses who just knew that cedric benson would have the year he had in 2009. I mean you probably knew he was capable of it and all, right? because you had the foresight and never gave up on the kid.
                    No, I'm the guy who wanted the Jets to take a flier on Akili Smith as a backup/project after the Bengals cut him. And yes, the Jets did work him out but did not sign him.

                    I'm the guy who thought Drew Brees was getting a raw deal and that the Chargers should draft Robert Gallery or Larry Fitzgerald instead of a quarterback.

                    I'm the guy who wanted the Jets to look into the Jaguars cast off bust WR's this past off-season because they were so lacking in that department. Reggie Williams and cokehead Matt Jones.

                    And between me and you nofalcons....... I'm the guy who has seen Vernon Gholston play at the pro level.


                    Now, I just have one question.

                    tell me, were you one of those geniuses who just knew that charles rogers would have the year he had in 2006. I mean you probably knew he was capable of it and all, right?

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                    • tell me, were you one of those geniuses who just knew that charles rogers would have the year he had in 2006. I mean you probably knew he was capable of it and all, right?

                      charles rodgers threw his life away off of the field. he had numerous substance abuse issues even before he was drafted.

                      During the 2005 season, Rogers was suspended 4 games for a third violation of the NFL's substance abuse policy. As a result of this violation, the Lions filed a grievance, claiming that his drug suspension violated a clause in his contract, which would mean Rogers would be obligated to return $10 million of the $14.2 million the Lions gave him in bonuses. The Detroit Free Press would later report that Rogers failed drug tests each year while at Michigan State. Citing Lions chief operating officer Tom Lewand, a report Oct. 9, 2008 stated that Rogers must repay the team around $8.5 million.[2] Upon his return from suspension, despite the fact that Rogers was deemed healthy, he played only nine games, with three starts, and was declared inactive for four games. He caught 14 passes for 197 yards and a touchdown.
                      charles rodgers, just like kellen winslow, i would not have wanted on my team for early stupidity.

                      the stupidity in the case of gholston was not gholston's own, but mangini. I can't blame johnathan sullivan for jim haslett picking him.

                      the guy never had more talent than kevin williams (who we should've picked went to the vikings with the very next selection).

                      i understand that it hurt but it's time to let it go. Just let go, man. i promise you'll feel better when you do.

                      do you blame calvin pace for his play in arizona?
                      Last edited by nofalcons10; 01-16-2010, 05:09 AM.

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                      • Originally posted by nofalcons10 View Post
                        do you blame calvin pace for his play in arizona?
                        I blame him for not succeeding in Arizona as much as I do Kyle Vanden Bosch, Leonard Davis and Thomas Jones.

                        I guess you could make that argument about the Jets too. I mean they just keep drafting bust after bust on defense like Darrelle Rev............. ohhhhh, well, there's the huge bust that is David Harr........... ohhhhh.

                        As for Gholston, no, its not his stupidity, its his lack of effort on the field. So I guess Mike Williams would have been a better name to put there.

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                        • Originally posted by Crickett View Post
                          I blame him for not succeeding in Arizona as much as I do Kyle Vanden Bosch, Leonard Davis and Thomas Jones.

                          I guess you could make that argument about the Jets too. I mean they just keep drafting bust after bust on defense like Darrelle Rev............. ohhhhh, well, there's the huge bust that is David Harr........... ohhhhh.
                          why would you blame him for that? is he now a DE in NY?

                          bryan thom....

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                          • dwayne robert.....
                            Last edited by nofalcons10; 01-16-2010, 07:05 AM.

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                            • As for Gholston, no, its not his stupidity, its his lack of effort on the field. So I guess Mike Williams would have been a better name to put there.

                              i guess you fans up there in NY hold patent to some sort of magical effort gauge that other teams fans aren't privy to that shows you when a player is trying hard and failing as opposed to not trying hard and failing.

                              ok, sarcasm aside, has he done something off of the field to make you think that he is just a lazy bum that struck it rich with an NFL contract and now just doesn't give half a damn?

                              i mean john sullivan was caught stealing sandwiches out of a press box before a game and got suspended. when you are playing as poorly as sullivan and charles rodgers you should not draw attention to yourself for the wrong reasons under any circumstances.

                              what has he done?

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                              • Originally posted by nofalcons10 View Post
                                why would you blame him for that? is he now a DE in NY?

                                bryan thom....
                                Originally posted by nofalcons10 View Post
                                dwayne robert.....

                                It should tell you something that you have to go back 7-8 years, 2 coaching staffs and one general manager to get to Bryan Thomas/DeWayne Robertson. I'm guessing it won't though.

                                Regardless.

                                Bryan Thomas? The guy Gholston can't beat out for a job? That Bryan Thomas?

                                DeWayne Robertson? The guy who had more tackles & sacks as a rookie at defensive tackle than Vernon Gholston has period? That DeWayne Robertson?

                                But here's the thing. DeWayne Robertson, while he never achieved his full potential, would occasionally show glimpses of it.

                                3rd Quarter
                                San Diego Chargers at 10:29
                                # 4-1-SD 30 (8:28) (Run formation) PENALTY on NYJ-D.Robertson, Encroachment, 6 yards, enforced at SD 30 - No Play.
                                # 1-10-SD 36 (8:19) L.Tomlinson up the middle to SD 33 for -3 yards (D.Robertson)

                                Now, that was the last time the Jets played the Chargers in a playoff game. The Chargers were trying to pull the Jets off sides in a fourth and short situation and they succeeded. They got DeWayne Robertson to jump. And yeah, he was pissed about it. So what happens the very next play? He bursts through the offensive line like it wasn't even there and Brees, Tomlinson and Robertson had a little meeting behind the line of scrimmage immediately after the handoff.

                                That eventually led to a punt.


                                Now, I don't really know what happened in Denver, but Robertson was like Bryan Thomas sorta average to below average as a 4-3 undertackle. Unfortunately, a guy who's biggest flaw at least that I could see was that he was completely and totally unable to handle the double team was moved from 4-3 undertackle was moved to 3-4 nose tackle. I mean, in the 4-3, they would stick anyone else at nose tackle. Even Josh Evans, who if I recall corrected was 280 pounds.



                                Now, compare that to Gholston, a pass rushing specialist in a defense that's #1 hobby is blitzing.

                                Okay Rex, its first and 10, what do we do? Blitz.
                                Okay Rex, its second and anywhere between 2 and 20, what do we do? Blitz.

                                Okay Rex, we're up against a pro bowl QB and a high powered offense, they're down by 7, its third and twenty two with a minute fifty left in the game. What do we do? Blitz.


                                Originally posted by nofalcons10 View Post
                                i guess you fans up there in NY hold patent to some sort of magical effort gauge that other teams fans aren't privy to that shows you when a player is trying hard and failing as opposed to not trying hard and failing.
                                Yeah, that must be the case. And we get lots of rental fees from Oakland fans regarding JaMarcus Russell.

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