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  • Now, compare that to Gholston, a pass rushing specialist in a defense that's #1 hobby is blitzing.

    Okay Rex, its first and 10, what do we do? Blitz.
    Okay Rex, its second and anywhere between 2 and 20, what do we do? Blitz.

    Okay Rex, we're up against a pro bowl QB and a high powered offense, they're down by 7, its third and twenty two with a minute fifty left in the game. What do we do? Blitz.
    if robertson ever really did show glimpses of #4 overall talent then i never saw it. all i remember robertson ever doing in highlights was pushing an undersized Texas a&m guard to the ground in a video that was over-hyped to make him seem like the next warren sapp.

    neither robertson nor sullivan had any business going higher than kevin williams who actually had brian price-like production that year.

    both of our coaches screwed up big-time and in any event robertson also had a chance to start an entire season at his college position. gholston has not.

    all i'm saying is that if you want to give up on the guy before he ever really gets alot of playing time at DE then fine. knock yourself out.


    you mentioned earlier that there were alot of players that you didn't give up on till the very end. gholston was a player that i really liked in college and i would like to see him succeed in the pros. if he doesn't, fine. no big deal, but in the end at least i was for giving the kid a second chance.

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    • IMO they really dont need to draft 100% on needs
      32 Everson Griffen - Get more sacks then last year.
      64 Navorro Bowman - Help the D out alot.
      95 Montario Hardesty - Mike Bell is really bad and i dont like him!
      130 Jacoby Ford - Could be a nice slot guy.
      239 Zac Robinson - If brees goes down there is no one behind him.

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      • Originally posted by Joecool View Post
        IMO they really dont need to draft 100% on needs
        32 Everson Griffen - Get more sacks then last year.
        64 Navorro Bowman - Help the D out alot.
        95 Montario Hardesty - Mike Bell is really bad and i dont like him!
        130 Jacoby Ford - Could be a nice slot guy.
        239 Zac Robinson - If brees goes down there is no one behind him.
        id rather see another olb and a dt than ford and hardesty, besides that bell is gone, hamilton is a fine third runningback. Also we have a sixth rounder so you are skipping a pick.


        Saints 2014 draft wish list:
        - No pass rusher till the fourth round (or preferably at all)
        - Corner or Wideout in the first
        - No reaching
        - No Kelvin Benjamin

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        • Originally posted by Joecool View Post
          IMO they really dont need to draft 100% on needs
          32 Everson Griffen - Get more sacks then last year.
          64 Navorro Bowman - Help the D out alot.
          95 Montario Hardesty - Mike Bell is really bad and i dont like him!
          130 Jacoby Ford - Could be a nice slot guy.
          239 Zac Robinson - If brees goes down there is no one behind him.
          So we use a 3rd on a 3rd RB, a 4th on a 5th WR, and the rest I dont mind.

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          • Ill do a second mock outside of my dream draft in my sig.
            1 Brian Price
            2 Eric Norwood
            3 Greg Hardy
            4 Rennie Curran
            6 Jevan Snead
            7 Jeff Byers


            Saints 2014 draft wish list:
            - No pass rusher till the fourth round (or preferably at all)
            - Corner or Wideout in the first
            - No reaching
            - No Kelvin Benjamin

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            • After the forum mock I'll post two here. The first outlining the forum mock draft as well as one of my own dream mock.




              2 C 5:6-8 Jakob Murphy aka themaninblack

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              • Originally posted by wicket View Post
                Ill do a second mock outside of my dream draft in my sig.
                1 Brian Price
                2 Eric Norwood
                3 Greg Hardy
                4 Rennie Curran
                6 Jevan Snead
                7 Jeff Byers
                I love you.

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                • Originally posted by zachsaints52 View Post
                  So we use a 3rd on a 3rd RB, a 4th on a 5th WR, and the rest I dont mind.
                  No reggie bush is a screen back and thomas is the only true back they have. Hamilton or what ever his name is. Hes going to be trash cut him now. The saints only had 2 good WR Henderson and Colston. Ford imo with his speed will become better then both of them. There D made the game winning play in the super bowl. They dont need to draft heavy on D. Imo if gresham is there at 32 screw DE get him. Drafting on needs is over rated big time. Trust me Drew Brees its all downhill from here. Time to get a QB to learn under him now.

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                  • Originally posted by Joecool View Post
                    No reggie bush is a screen back and thomas is the only true back they have. Hamilton or what ever his name is. Hes going to be trash cut him now. The saints only had 2 good WR Henderson and Colston. Ford imo with his speed will become better then both of them. There D made the game winning play in the super bowl. They dont need to draft heavy on D. Imo if gresham is there at 32 screw DE get him. Drafting on needs is over rated big time. Trust me Drew Brees its all downhill from here. Time to get a QB to learn under him now.
                    You seriously think maechem and lance moore are bad wideouts???????

                    u for reallzzz

                    Hamilton is a really good 3rd back as well


                    Saints 2014 draft wish list:
                    - No pass rusher till the fourth round (or preferably at all)
                    - Corner or Wideout in the first
                    - No reaching
                    - No Kelvin Benjamin

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                    • Originally posted by wicket View Post
                      You seriously think maechem and lance moore are bad wideouts???????

                      u for reallzzz

                      Hamilton is a really good 3rd back as well
                      Moore and Hamilton were undrafted. Robert Meachem is ok but hes slow. He does catch the ball which is nice but he need to be more of a featured target before i view him as a good player. Jacoby Ford is going to be wide open with his speed and sean peyton is so good at play calling he can really get the most out of ford. Ford could be alot like a wes welker and could do stuff in the wild cat. I just don't think the defense is that bad right now. They need some fresh guys on the offense.
                      Last edited by Joecool; 03-28-2010, 08:48 PM.

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                      • Originally posted by Joecool View Post
                        Moore and Hamilton were undrafted. Robert Meachem is ok but hes slow. He does catch the ball which is nice but he need to be more of a featured target before i view him as a good player. Jacoby Ford is going to be wide open with his speed and sean peyton is so good at play calling he can really get the most out of ford. Ford could be alot like a wes welker and could do stuff in the wild cat. I just don't think the defense is that bad right now. They need some fresh guys on the offense.
                        maechem, slow, really?
                        Ford can be nothing like welker, ford has top end speed but no wiggle, mediocre body control and has never shown he can catch balls in traffic.
                        Why the hell would you run the wildcat if you have brees as a qb, maybe in third/fourth and really short situations but outside of that its just silly

                        yes the defense is not that bad but the saints have the best offense in the league with most of the main contributors being pretty young, the D got by on old timers and great playcalling. Add in some extra talent and the saints will actually also have a D that wins games
                        Last edited by wicket; 03-28-2010, 08:56 PM.


                        Saints 2014 draft wish list:
                        - No pass rusher till the fourth round (or preferably at all)
                        - Corner or Wideout in the first
                        - No reaching
                        - No Kelvin Benjamin

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                        • Originally posted by Joecool View Post
                          Moore and Hamilton were undrafted. Robert Meachem is ok but hes slow. He does catch the ball which is nice but he need to be more of a featured target before i view him as a good player. Jacoby Ford is going to be wide open with his speed and sean peyton is so good at play calling he can really get the most out of ford. Ford could be alot like a wes welker and could do stuff in the wild cat. I just don't think the defense is that bad right now. They need some fresh guys on the offense.

                          meachem isn't slow, he just cant run routes underneath. henderson and colston were clearly our best receivers last year but meachem was our primary deep threat.



                          i do agree with you about ford.

                          if we acquired another second or 3rd round pick i would love to select him or kyle williams of ASU because they are not only gamebreaking receivers but also very good special teamers.



                          as for tightend, i no longer think that we have to look at one high. i really love dennis morris in the 5th-7th rounds as a blocker and receiver.

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                          • i would seriously in all absolute honesty be fine with any of these as our top pick

                            jerry hughes
                            brandon graham
                            daryl washington
                            sean weatherspoon
                            terrence cody
                            cam thomas
                            dan wiliams
                            (and perhaps even linval joseph)
























                            i would still cringe if we passed on gresham or gronkowski though. you know that it just wouldn't be if i didn't add that in there. :-P
                            Last edited by nofalcons10; 03-29-2010, 01:46 AM.

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                            • Originally posted by nofalcons10 View Post
                              i would seriously in all absolute honesty be fine with any of these as our top pick

                              jerry hughes
                              brandon graham
                              daryl washington
                              sean weatherspoon
                              terrence cody
                              cam thomas

                              dan wiliams
                              (and perhaps even linval joseph)


                              i would still cringe if we passed on gresham or gronkowski though. you know that it just wouldn't be if i didn't add that in there. :-P
                              For our needs, Cody and Thomas are too big a reach in the first. Cam Thomas may even end up being there in the 3rd.
                              The last thing we need to do is drafta TE in the first round, especially one who may have chronic back problems.




                              2 C 5:6-8 Jakob Murphy aka themaninblack

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                              • Originally posted by CJSchneider View Post
                                For our needs, Cody and Thomas are too big a reach in the first. Cam Thomas may even end up being there in the 3rd.
                                The last thing we need to do is drafta TE in the first round, especially one who may have chronic back problems.

                                cody and cam thomas are two of the best NTs in the entire draft. i doubt that they both ever make it past 40. if they do, i will gladly come back and admitt that im wrong but pass-rushers like huges and graham, NTs like cody,thomas, joseph, and williams, and linebackers like washington and weatherspoon don't often make it past the first round.

                                im done trying to convince saints regulars of cody's worth. he might even go before hughes because he had private workouts for the Chargers, Jets, and ravens. the dolphins even neeed a NT because of the age of jason furguson.

                                i honestly cant see how anyone who has watched them both play extensively would rank everson griffen or daryl washington as far and away better than either of them in terms of impact.

                                like i said, i know that the saints won't draft a TE in the first or second. it's just how i feel about those players. you do not have to agree with me. it could be the second coming of kellen winslow the III and saints fans still wouldn't want offense early in this draft.

                                gronkowkski just ran a 4.6 two days ago and worked out completely and looked good at his pro day. he was cleared medically by two doctors to play in january. the rumors that his back problems may persists are just that at this point.

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