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  • Just a couple of points in response to diabsole since he took the time to write the whole thing out.

    -Yards mean absolutely nothing. Nothing. Take for example the game against the Bengals (I believe it was the Bengals) where you drove the ball up and down the field only to hand the ball right over to the defense and get no points.The only stat that really matters is wins and points. Everything else is superfulous. We have a better record by 2 games even before the remaining schedule, and while your schedule is a little harder, to this point it's not much harder. We score just as many points in the Saints, be that by offense, defense, or special teams, and we allow an entire touchdown less a game. ANNNNND less we not forget, any game against the Bears will be in January in Chicago. You don't think that will have any effect on the Saints offense? This is what the whole debate was about in the first place by the way, and it wasn't involved with you

    -I never said the North was good, of course it's not, but you made the point that you were winning in the South as if that was anything to give a ***** about. I will be the first to admit that our schedule is absolute cake. But here's the glitch, so is yours. So is every teams in the NFC except for the Giants. You can't use that argument against us. You can say "the Saints have by far the harder schedule when compared to us" but that's simply not true. Both teams have very easy schedules up to this point. And you can't count the final three games because you haven't won them yet. Win on the road against the Giants (like we did) and like I said, my opinion will greatly change.

    -The entire original debate was that whatever his name is with way too many letters said "nobody can stop our offense if we don't turn the ball over". You all might be able to toss the ball around in the Dome. I'm very confident in saying that won't happen on the road in wintry conditions in the playoffs. The Saints are going to need to rely on the run and playing good defense if they want to win those games in the playoffs. Every other point you brought up is completely beside the fact.

    And the Vikes have a better shot at making the playoffs than the Panthers, just to clarify your point.


    Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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    • Very Interesting article on the ways that the Saints utilize Deuce/Bush in the same backfield.

      Riddle: What has four legs, 12 fleur-de-lis and one Heisman Trophy and has accounted for 62 percent of one team's touches from scrimmage?

      Answer: Unlikely backfield partners Deuce McAllister and Reggie Bush.

      They are the main components of the Saints' Pony package, which is unique in its scope and efficacy. "It's a great package they're running with those two," 49ers defensive coordinator Billy Davis says. "It's very challenging to defend because nobody has the combination of those two talents, and they are using those talents very effectively."


      It isn't that the Saints have reinvented the wheel, but they have put some absolutely filthy chrome rims on it.

      Traditionally, teams have dabbled with two halfbacks on the field at the same time but never majored in it. The Saints aren't majoring in it, either, but Pony is one of many reasons they are on the dean's list. The Saints have had Bush and McAllister on the field at the same time on 124 plays, 14 percent of their offensive snaps.

      Most teams shy away from playing two halfbacks simultaneously because the second halfback essentially becomes window dressing on most plays, whereas a tight end or fullback could have a more tangible impact at the point of attack. So the issue becomes how does the halfback who doesn't get the ball positively affect the play?

      The Saints have dealt with that issue in a variety of ways, most frequently by applying one-back concepts. In other words, they often treat Bush as a wide receiver -- split him out and have him play patty-cake with a cornerback while McAllister busts up the gut. They also have run a number of fake reverses to Bush, then handed off to McAllister with the hope that Bush would lure defenders into taking a step away from McAllister. In a 42-17 win over Dallas last week, Bush ran a fake reverse and Drew Brees went deep to Devery Henderson and completed a 50-yard pass.

      Saints coach Sean Payton has used misdirection the way Paul Prudhomme uses cayenne pepper. Against the Niners, Brees faked a handoff to McAllister, then tossed the ball to Bush, who easily scored one of his four touchdowns. On some plays, McAllister helps his offense most by acting like he's getting the ball and getting tackled while Brees throws a swing pass to Bush.

      The Saints won't ask either to spring the other with a lead block on the middle linebacker, as they would fullback Mike Karney, but they will ask either to seal off the backside while the other runs in the opposite direction. McAllister also has been used quite a bit in pass protection while Bush runs a route.

      The Pony package wouldn't work with just any two backs. It helps that McAllister and Bush have contrasting styles, and it's critical that both have embraced the concept. "It's hard for a running back to be unselfish, but there aren't any two players who are more concerned with winning," Payton says. "It's easier to sell when you're the No. 1 offense in the league, you're in the top five in scoring, No. 1 in third-down conversions and No. 1 in passing. The end result is we are moving the football and scoring."

      The challenge for Payton has been to give McAllister enough carries so he can wear down a defense while still giving Bush enough opportunities to make big plays. Payton's goal is to get Bush 15 to 18 touches and McAllister 20 touches a game, but the reality often is affected by the circumstances of each game. That goal has been reached only three times, but the larger goal of winning has been reached nine times, and the Saints are looking more and more like the NFC's finest team.

      The contributions of the two backs have been nearly equal. McAllister has 1,065 yards from scrimmage; Bush has 1,092. McAllister has accounted for 54 first downs, Bush for 46. But their fruits have come from different trees. Payton estimates either back could be used on about 75 percent of the Saints' plays, but 25 percent are designed to take advantage of the unique skills of one or the other.

      Many of the plays focus on getting Bush mismatched against a bigger, slower defender through presnap motion. Most defenses intend to have a safety or nickel back over Bush when he runs a pass route, but that isn't always as easy to accomplish as it sounds, especially with McAllister in the mix.

      This system won't last forever. In the not too distant future, as Bush gets more comfortable in the offense, his talent will demand that he get the ball more. But in the short term, it's serving the players and the offense quite nicely.
      The options are endless...

      -Faking reverses, screens to Bush to misdirect the LBs, safeties...opens up running lanes, and gets Defenses going 1 way.

      -If the Defender with backside contain responsibility isn't respecting the reverse Bush is a threat to take it the house.

      - If teams stack the box that opens up the receiving game, I think he's a bit overlooked but Devery Henderson is sort of the X-factor in this offense...he's a big play threat.

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      • Yeah, I just read that a few hours ago. Damned good piece. And, if you want proof of the unselfishness of the two if you re-watch the Dallas/Saints game when Reggie breaks for his TD on the sideline you can see Deuce going completely crazy and cheering him on. We won't have the combination forever but for the time being... it's an awesome thing to witness.

        Dia has given me an erection with his prior couple of posts. Just owch.

        Anyhow... we have Washington this Sunday at home. We win and we clinch the NFC South (how f'n crazy is THAT?). Hopefully, this won't be a trap-game/letdown game for us and we take care of business. Put pressure on Jason Campbell and contain him if he tries to run... Landell Betts, Santana Moss, and Cooley scare me a bit, but hopefully Brees will get plenty of time to pick apart Washington's secondary.
        The whole world loves neophyte athletic tight end Jimmy Graham from Miami with the 95th pick. "Best pick in the draft,'' one AFC coach told me. "Give him time, and in that offense, he'll be better than [Jeremy] Shockey by the start of next year.''

        “We know that no matter the adversity, be it the lockout, be it the suspension or be it a hurricane, our men will pull together and defend the honor of this city. We’ve shown we’ve been able to do that.” - Jabari Greer

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        • The game against Washington should be a cakewalk. The key to containing our passing game is getting pressure on Drew. When he has good protection, he can pick apart just about any secondary in the league. Washington's pass rush is near nonexistant. They only have 15 sacks through 13 games, and we've only given up 15 sacks all season. Drew will have time to throw and our offense should have another big game; there's no way Washington is gonna put up as many points as we will.

          Saints win, 35-20.
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          • I never look past an opponent and never make a prediction. I always just hope for a win.
            The whole world loves neophyte athletic tight end Jimmy Graham from Miami with the 95th pick. "Best pick in the draft,'' one AFC coach told me. "Give him time, and in that offense, he'll be better than [Jeremy] Shockey by the start of next year.''

            “We know that no matter the adversity, be it the lockout, be it the suspension or be it a hurricane, our men will pull together and defend the honor of this city. We’ve shown we’ve been able to do that.” - Jabari Greer

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            • Originally posted by Flyboy
              I never look past an opponent and never make a prediction. I always just hope for a win.
              Congrats. I'm not looking past Washington (that's why they play the game, etc...) but I'm predicting this will one of our easiest wins of the year.

              All signs point to a win. We're the #1 Offense in the NFL; Washington is ranked #23 in defense. We're facing a pretty inexperienced quarterback and our secondary has come on strong with 5 interceptions in the last 2 games. Will Smith has come back an absolute beast, and we should be able to get pressure on Campbell and force him to throw some bad passes that will result in takeaways. Our offense is on a roll with at least 31 points in the last 3 games (all wins) and I think we'll continue that against Washington. Ladell Betts could run all over us but they'll probably have to abandon the run sometime in the 2nd half.

              This is as close to a lock as any game we've had all year.
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              • Originally posted by TPFKA#1SaintsFan
                This is as close to a lock as any game we've had all year.
                That's ussually when the craziest of upsets happen...

                Saints are really hot right now but all the momentum can shift within a week...no one thought the Bears would lose to the Phinz or the Titans would beat the Colts.

                you guys should win but I think the Skins make it uncomfortable, unless they completely collapse.

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                • I don't think we should look past the Redskins and I know Sean Payton won't. It will be a fun game to watch, but I think the Saints will end up being victorious.

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                  • This is what I'd like to see for our Day 1 Draft:

                    Round 1: Buster Davis, ILB
                    Round 2: Matt Speath, TE
                    Round 3: DeAndre Jackson, CB

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                    • Originally posted by diabsoule
                      This is what I'd like to see for our Day 1 Draft:

                      Round 1: Buster Davis, ILB
                      Round 2: Matt Speath, TE
                      Round 3: DeAndre Jackson, CB
                      I think we absolutely have to take a CB in the first 2 rounds. Unless we sign someone like Asante Samuel or Nate Clements, but even then it's probably a day 1 must.

                      Rd. 1 - Aaron Ross, CB, Texas
                      Rd. 2 - Justin Harrell, DT, Tennessee
                      Rd. 3 (f/PHI) - Desmond Bishop, ILB, California
                      Rd. 3 - Martrez Milner, TE, Georgia
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                      • I could see us going for someone like Aaron Ross or Antoine Cason in the first Rd.

                        I'd like to see us land Desmond Bishop in the 3rd as well. The only reason I say let us take an MLB in the first is because there will be some really good talent there and it would be a reach going for a CB by the time we pick.

                        I know DeAndre Jackson was having a very good season before he tore his ACL. Cornerbacks usually recover well from those type of injuries so I would expect him to be in good form once we drafted him and also he would probably be available in the 3rd so we could use the 1st two rounds to get a really good MLB, TE, or what have you.

                        I'd like us to get someone like Steve Smith or Craig Davis in the 4th and really bolster the WR position since Horn doesn't have too much longer left.

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                        • Q&A with Mike Karney from Saints.com

                          http://neworleanssaints.com/newsroom...articleid=3169

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                          • I wanted to say thanks for the beatdown on Dallas, I am pulling for the Saints to win the Super Bowl. The only thing better then watching the 49ers win is to watch Dallas or Oakland get their ASS handed to them. I had the luxery of watching Brees throw 5 TDS against my HS in our homecoming game, and you could tell he was the real deal. I think he is the best QB besides Manning or Brady. :P :P

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                            • I wanted to say thanks for the beatdown on Dallas, I am pulling for the Saints to win the Super Bowl. The only thing better then watching the 49ers win is to watch Dallas or Oakland get their ASS handed to them. I had the luxery of watching Brees throw 5 TDS against my HS in our homecoming game, and you could tell he was the real deal. I think he is the best QB besides Manning or Brady. :P :P

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                              • Thanks for the kind words and for the congratulations to our team. I am just happy that Brees was able to recover from his surgery with no lingering effects and he is looking absolutely fantastic this season. He definately has my vote for MVP, because without him our team wouldn't be nearly as good. I think we would have less than half the amount of wins we do now without him as our QB.

                                But I wouldn't take anything away from your team. The 49ers have some talent on that team and I like the way Mike Nolan is coaching them. He is definately building a contender over there in San Francisco. I was pleasantly suprised that you guys beat Seattle and even though I'm not a huge fan of the 49ers, I always enjoy a good upset.

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