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  • Originally posted by diabsoule
    Looks like the Saints are set to tag Charles Grant.
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2771560

    I was hoping that both sides would be able to come to some sort of an agreement so that we would not have to use the franchise tag on him.
    Go figure... well, it seems like another "Darren Howard" situation. :roll:

    On to free agency. :|

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    • As much as i like Grant i say we should franchise him then trade him and get what we can from him now. I think we would get at least a high second round pick.

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      • Originally posted by LSU Man
        As much as i like Grant i say we should franchise him then trade him and get what we can from him now. I think we would get at least a high second round pick.
        The problem with that is... if a player is franchised, a team must give up two 1st round picks as compensation. No team will be willing to give up that much.


        edit: Hollis Thomas was on Sirius radio, said he was disappointed in the Saints offer.

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        • Hollis Thomas, was on sirius-radio a hour ago or so...

          was discussing about the saints and FA...he said the saints gave him a offer and that it was a 'low ball one' and that he is worth more than that...

          from the sounds of it, he sounded pretty disgusted with it and kept on rambling about Devner as a potential suitor.



          so all in all, looks like we might need another DT for next season... :roll:

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          • Oh well, obviously Hollis was a contributor to the Defense.

            but he is 33 years old, wears down in the second half of games, and had the asthma fiasco behind him..

            I think the Saints offered him a decent contract, but if some team signs Hollis to a huge deal they will probably be disappointed.

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            • Originally posted by Auron
              Originally posted by LSU Man
              As much as i like Grant i say we should franchise him then trade him and get what we can from him now. I think we would get at least a high second round pick.
              The problem with that is... if a player is franchised, a team must give up two 1st round picks as compensation. No team will be willing to give up that much.


              edit: Hollis Thomas was on Sirius radio, said he was disappointed in the Saints offer.
              That's not cool. We don't need to low-ball a huge contributor to our defense.

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              • Originally posted by Saints67
                Hollis Thomas, was on sirius-radio a hour ago or so...

                was discussing about the saints and FA...he said the saints gave him a offer and that it was a 'low ball one' and that he is worth more than that...

                from the sounds of it, he sounded pretty disgusted with it and kept on rambling about Devner as a potential suitor.



                so all in all, looks like we might need another DT for next season... :roll:
                Of course, his definition of low-ball might not be low at all... but I figured that either we'd have to look to the free agency period for a defensive tackle or we'd draft one. Neither Thomas nor Brian Young is really all that impressive. Don't get me wrong, Thomas contributed nicely but he isn't the best out there. There are other people who could also come in and help out our defense as well as he did.

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                • Originally posted by diabsoule
                  That's not cool. We don't need to low-ball a huge contributor to our defense.
                  If we do lose him it will hurt, but on the same token you don't want to overpay for an aging veteran who may be on the decline. I think Hollis and his agent know this is probably going to be his last contract in the NFL, so they want to cash in on a bigger pay day.. not that I blame him a lot of players do.

                  but we have to remember how we got players like Hollis and Jeff Faine in the first place, through draft day trades. I have complete faith in Payton and Loomis in finding the right replacements, and improving the team. I also have a feeling they have a few things up their sleeves for free agency and the draft.

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                  • Saints slap DE Grant with franchise tag
                    Five-year veteran says he feels disrespected
                    Wednesday, February 21, 2007
                    By Mike Triplett
                    Staff writer
                    Defensive end Charles Grant expressed his frustration Tuesday after the Saints designated him as their franchise player.

                    The move requires the Saints to offer Grant a one-year contract worth $8.644 million the average of the top five players at his position. But it prevents the 28-year-old from becoming an unrestricted free agent March 2.

                    Grant can negotiate with other teams, but it is unlikely another team will offer a long-term deal.

                    The Saints have the right to match any offer Grant receives. Or, if they decide to let him go, the new team would have to compensate the Saints with two first-round draft picks.

                    "I still hope we can work something out," said Grant, who was hoping to either sign a long-term contract extension with the Saints or be allowed to test the free-agent waters.

                    He characterized the Saints' contract discussions so far as "treating me like I'm a scrub" and "trying to spit in our face."

                    "It's not so much being disappointed (with staying in New Orleans)," said Grant, a first-round draft pick in 2002. "I've been here five years. I love Louisiana. I love the people here. You can't get better people than here in New Orleans.

                    "But other teams are interested in me. If you don't think I can play the game of football, you should treat me like a man and let me go."

                    Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis declined to comment on the Saints' decision.

                    Grant's agent, William Johnson, echoed Grant's sentiments.

                    "Guys get disappointed about having the franchise tag," Johnson said. "I recognize it's a big number. But he's been a great representative of the Saints through thick and thin. And at the end of the day, I feel like he's earned the opportunity to get a fair market value extension from the Saints or to test free agency."

                    Grant had a bounce-back season in 2006 after struggling in 2005. He had 71 tackles, six sacks, three forced fumbles and two fumble recoveries.

                    Grant shed nearly 20 pounds in the offseason and played around 285 pounds for the first time since his rookie season. He has 36 career sacks with the Saints.

                    Grant said he has felt underappreciated by the Saints organization. He said Loomis told his agent a few months back that he didn't intend to use the franchise tag on him because he wasn't worth the hefty cost.

                    "I don't hold no grudge against the organization. But when a man tells my agent I'm not worth it, don't contradict yourself," Grant said. "The money's good. But I feel like I'm being used right now.

                    "You know no other guys are going to come in here and hold that left side down. I'm playing 90 percent of the snaps, year in and year out. I had my slump, but everyone has their slumps."

                    Whether or not they used the franchise tag, it makes sense for the Saints to hold onto Grant.

                    For starters, they need defensive playmakers, and they likely will try to add more in the draft and free agency. The Saints were a solid defensive team in 2006. But they ranked 31st in the NFL with 19 takeaways during the regular season, and they forced zero turnovers in two playoff games.

                    If the Saints were to let Grant go, they would have a hard time replacing him in free agency. The NFL's free-agent market will be extremely competitive. The salary cap climbed roughly $7 million this year to $109 million per team.

                    Two other top defensive ends that were scheduled to become free agents this year -- Indianapolis' Dwight Freeney and Cincinnati's Justin Smith -- also were retained with the franchise tag. New England used its franchise tag on cornerback Asante Samuel, and Chicago franchised linebacker Lance Briggs.

                    The Saints previously used their franchise tag on fellow defensive end Darren Howard in 2004 and 2005, never reaching a long-term extension. That relationship ended on bad terms, with Howard threatening to quit football last December if the Saints didn't let him leave in free agency.

                    Before Howard, the Saints used their franchise tag on defensive end Joe Johnson in 1999.

                    The Saints will have some other tough decisions to make in the next few weeks. They owe roughly $1 million each in bonuses to veteran receiver Joe Horn and cornerback Fred Thomas and might consider releasing both players or asking them to take pay cuts.

                    They also have three other starters scheduled to become unrestricted free agents March 2 -- offensive tackle Jon Stinchcomb, defensive tackle Hollis Thomas and safety Omar Stoutmire.

                    Most of the Saints' front office and coaching staff will be in Indianapolis this week for the National Scouting Combine, which runs from Thursday through Sunday.

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                    • I was listening to WWL 870, Grant was on with Bobby and Kenny W. Said that he has children to take care of, and that he was offered a contract with an 8 mil signing bonus, and felt it was a backup type deal.

                      Wow.. I really don't like how he's handling the situation in the media. I can't see this situation turning out good. :?

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                      • Oh vey.
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                        • not good news with CG, hopefully we can sign him long-term in the future though....

                          but this off-season has been up and down lately....we sign Shanle which is good, then brees/bush gets hurt in events and then CG/Hollis are speaking out on the FO....i just hope it turns out to be great later on....

                          though if these events continue, our DL for next year is going to have many changes.

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                          • Originally posted by Auron
                            I was listening to WWL 870, Grant was on with Bobby and Kenny W. Said that he has children to take care of, and that he was offered a contract with an 8 mil signing bonus, and felt it was a backup type deal.

                            Wow.. I really don't like how he's handling the situation in the media. I can't see this situation turning out good. :?
                            Like I said, I think this has the possibility of becoming another "Darren Howard"-like situation. :roll:

                            I might be wrong, but this (plus the grumblings around Hollis Thomas) may make for some interesting free agency and Draft selections. Don't be surprised if the Saints begin to target a potential replacement. :?

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                            • Loomis was just on sirus, heres a recap......


                              - heard C-Grants comments and admitted to offering a 'low ball' contract...but that they had to start somewhere...and him coming back to NOLA with a long term deal is not out of the picture...

                              - they are still talking to Hollis Thomas's agent...and loomis and co are working very hard to get him resigned.

                              -saints will be active in FA, but not become 'big money spenders' like last year....

                              - will look to improve the D in FA....and they are are focused on getting depth through FA also.

                              -donnie edwards: avoided talking bout him cause that would be tampering...but drew is lobbying for the saints to get him...and the announcers/loomis kept joking and laughing about signing him up...the feel is that we will end up getting Edwards.

                              -draft: they will look to get BPA....once they solve needs in FA.




                              all in all, it i feel better now about locking up Grant/Hollis.....and i deff believe we will sign Edwards once he hit FA....

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                              • I get the feeling that Mickey had to start the offer somewhere and it might've been a little too low for Grant's liking... I think they will definitely sit down again and try to get something done long term. (he doesn't like taking the whole 8.6 cap hit at once) If worse comes to worse Grant will just have to sign the tender and play out one more season as a Saint.

                                I believe him and Hollis' agent have traded offers, but I don't think both sides are at a point where they are comfortable with the deal..so I see Hollis leaving.

                                Seems like we're going to address a few needs in Free Agency, but we won't make the huge signings like last year because of cap restraints. So I think that rules out guys like Clements, Adalius Thomas...

                                I guess they will make a pitch to Donnie Edwards as well.

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