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  • Originally posted by Flyboy
    I rather us sign FAs like Mitchell or E instead of Thomas simply because it works better with our cap and we could still get the same results. Plus, Thomas works better in a 3-4 anyhow.

    I may be in the minority, but I really wouldn't mind taking Greg Olsen in the first round.
    1. By Mitchell, do you mean Kawika Mitchell? By E, do you mean Donnie Edwards? By same results, do you mean nowhere near the results Adalius Thomas could give us?

    2. Thomas is one of, if not the most versatile player in the NFL. I have a hard time believing he couldn't be productive in a 4-3.

    3. We had the best offense in the NFL, and have huge needs at CB, MLB, and DT. And you want a tight end in the first round? Yeah, I'd hope you are in the minority.
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    • I wouldn't be opposed to having Adalius here, he's versatile and can line up almost anywhere..he's a playmaker who's always around the ball. We could definitely use a player like that. He could play WLB and we'd move Shanle inside to MLB.

      However.. I really don't think the Saints will make a serious run at any of the high profile free agents like Adalius, or Clements.. I can see them coming in for visits and getting offers, but I don't think Mickey will overpay them in bidding wars like other teams may be willing to.

      As for TE, we could use an upgrade but I'd only take Olsen if he's the absolute best player on the board left at #27. If we're going to go TE I'd look at Ben Patrick in Round 3.

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      • I'd love for us to take Michael Allan with one of our 4th round picks. He's really impressing me.
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        • Originally posted by TPFKA#1SaintsFan
          I'd love for us to take Michael Allan with one of our 4th round picks. He's really impressing me.
          I like Ben Patrick out of Delaware.

          And Adalius Thomas is old and would demand too much money. He's versatile, yes, versatile in the 3-4. We would be better off addressing our needs in FA by getting someone like Mitchell or Edwards, then drafting someone.

          Olsen would be a good pick in the 1st if Willis, Puz, Revis, Hall, and Ross are gone.

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          • Originally posted by diabsoule
            Originally posted by TPFKA#1SaintsFan
            I'd love for us to take Michael Allan with one of our 4th round picks. He's really impressing me.
            I like Ben Patrick out of Delaware.

            And Adalius Thomas is old and would demand too much money. He's versatile, yes, versatile in the 3-4. We would be better off addressing our needs in FA by getting someone like Mitchell or Edwards, then drafting someone.

            Olsen would be a good pick in the 1st if Willis, Puz, Revis, Hall, and Ross are gone.
            First of all, I don't know of many people who would call a six year vet "old" (Thomas barely even saw the field in his first season). But I really can't believe that you think there is another player on the market who could impact our D in the way Adalius could, and you're flat out crazy in refusing to realize the fact that we're talking about a guy here who has seen time at DE, OLB, MLB, and even a little DB, and he's not versatile enough to play in a 4-3? Gimmie a friggin' break! Thomas would be a HUGE upgrade at any of our linebacker positions. As for Mitchell and Edwards... well, Edwards is OLD (ha!), and Mitchell probably isn't even an upgrade over what we have now. I don't understand how a Saints fan wouldn't want us to sign a player who could have such a significant immediate impact, after all, an impact player on defense along with a few smaller defensive upgrades could put us in immediate championship contention. I guess you're just getting too used to the losing culture.

            By the way, Olson would not be a good pick for us in the second round, much less the first. We need defense.
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            • Originally posted by TPFKA#1SaintsFan
              Originally posted by diabsoule
              Originally posted by TPFKA#1SaintsFan
              I'd love for us to take Michael Allan with one of our 4th round picks. He's really impressing me.
              I like Ben Patrick out of Delaware.

              And Adalius Thomas is old and would demand too much money. He's versatile, yes, versatile in the 3-4. We would be better off addressing our needs in FA by getting someone like Mitchell or Edwards, then drafting someone.

              Olsen would be a good pick in the 1st if Willis, Puz, Revis, Hall, and Ross are gone.
              First of all, I don't know of many people who would call a six year vet "old" (Thomas barely even saw the field in his first season). But I really can't believe that you think there is another player on the market who could impact our D in the way Adalius could, and you're flat out crazy in refusing to realize the fact that we're talking about a guy here who has seen time at DE, OLB, MLB, and even a little DB, and he's not versatile enough to play in a 4-3? Gimmie a friggin' break! Thomas would be a HUGE upgrade at any of our linebacker positions. As for Mitchell and Edwards... well, Edwards is OLD (ha!), and Mitchell probably isn't even an upgrade over what we have now. I don't understand how a Saints fan wouldn't want us to sign a player who could have such a significant immediate impact, after all, an impact player on defense along with a few smaller defensive upgrades could put us in immediate championship contention. I guess you're just getting too used to the losing culture.

              By the way, Olson would not be a good pick for us in the second round, much less the first. We need defense.
              *cough*

              Oh, I'm sorry, did I break your concentration?

              Oh, well, allow me to retort...

              Now, I know I'm not the only one who thinks that defense is our main need in both free agency and April's draft.

              That being said, I don't think that the Saints will have the money nor the inclination to go after any big name free agents like Adalius Thomas. Even though Thomas can be a difference maker (in the right system), we don't have the money to spend on a big name like him. If we did, we wouldn't be able to target multiple players at other positions of need like cornerback and defensive tackle. The money we would spend on Thomas could be better served going after smaller named players but at several positions.

              Continuing, I also think that the recent grumblings from both DE Charles Grant and DT Hollis Thomas are going to have a significant impact on both free agency and the Draft. Look to the Saints either dealing away Thomas and getting a defensive tackle in either free agency or the Draft. Also, with Grant getting the franchise tag, I feel like we've got another "Darren Howard situation" and I also wouldn't be surprised if the Saints draft a young defensive end that, not unlike Will Smith a couple of years ago, would be able to step in and start after this season.

              And I have to agree, as good as Greg Olsen was at Miami, we don't need to spend a first day pick on a tight end, unless of course, he falls all the way to the third round or something. I doubt seriously that happens. I wouldn't be upset; however, if the Saints do chose a tight end, just a little bit later in the Draft, like Ben Patrick or Scott Chandler.

              Lastly, on the remark about the Saints losing tradition, it's not that we're getting used it, we *are* used to it! The fact is, and maybe I'm a bit of a downer, but one Cinderella season and one more playoff victory isn't going to magically make me forget about all the heartache that I've endured as a Saints fan.

              But that being said, what doesn't kill you, only makes you stronger. I guess that means I should be nearly invincible now! :D

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              • Originally posted by Saints Dome Patrol
                Originally posted by TPFKA#1SaintsFan
                Originally posted by diabsoule
                Originally posted by TPFKA#1SaintsFan
                I'd love for us to take Michael Allan with one of our 4th round picks. He's really impressing me.
                I like Ben Patrick out of Delaware.

                And Adalius Thomas is old and would demand too much money. He's versatile, yes, versatile in the 3-4. We would be better off addressing our needs in FA by getting someone like Mitchell or Edwards, then drafting someone.

                Olsen would be a good pick in the 1st if Willis, Puz, Revis, Hall, and Ross are gone.
                First of all, I don't know of many people who would call a six year vet "old" (Thomas barely even saw the field in his first season). But I really can't believe that you think there is another player on the market who could impact our D in the way Adalius could, and you're flat out crazy in refusing to realize the fact that we're talking about a guy here who has seen time at DE, OLB, MLB, and even a little DB, and he's not versatile enough to play in a 4-3? Gimmie a friggin' break! Thomas would be a HUGE upgrade at any of our linebacker positions. As for Mitchell and Edwards... well, Edwards is OLD (ha!), and Mitchell probably isn't even an upgrade over what we have now. I don't understand how a Saints fan wouldn't want us to sign a player who could have such a significant immediate impact, after all, an impact player on defense along with a few smaller defensive upgrades could put us in immediate championship contention. I guess you're just getting too used to the losing culture.

                By the way, Olson would not be a good pick for us in the second round, much less the first. We need defense.
                *cough*

                Oh, I'm sorry, did I break your concentration?

                Oh, well, allow me to retort...

                Now, I know I'm not the only one who thinks that defense is our main need in both free agency and April's draft.

                That being said, I don't think that the Saints will have the money nor the inclination to go after any big name free agents like Adalius Thomas. Even though Thomas can be a difference maker (in the right system), we don't have the money to spend on a big name like him. If we did, we wouldn't be able to target multiple players at other positions of need like cornerback and defensive tackle. The money we would spend on Thomas could be better served going after smaller named players but at several positions.

                Continuing, I also think that the recent grumblings from both DE Charles Grant and DT Hollis Thomas are going to have a significant impact on both free agency and the Draft. Look to the Saints either dealing away Thomas and getting a defensive tackle in either free agency or the Draft. Also, with Grant getting the franchise tag, I feel like we've got another "Darren Howard situation" and I also wouldn't be surprised if the Saints draft a young defensive end that, not unlike Will Smith a couple of years ago, would be able to step in and start after this season.

                And I have to agree, as good as Greg Olsen was at Miami, we don't need to spend a first day pick on a tight end, unless of course, he falls all the way to the third round or something. I doubt seriously that happens. I wouldn't be upset; however, if the Saints do chose a tight end, just a little bit later in the Draft, like Ben Patrick or Scott Chandler.

                Lastly, on the remark about the Saints losing tradition, it's not that we're getting used it, we *are* used to it! The fact is, and maybe I'm a bit of a downer, but one Cinderella season and one more playoff victory isn't going to magically make me forget about all the heartache that I've endured as a Saints fan.

                But that being said, what doesn't kill you, only makes you stronger. I guess that means I should be nearly invincible now! :D
                The thing is, I think it could work money wise. Tagging Charles Grant might have ruined the chances, but we had about $22 million in cap room before we gave him the $8.6 million tag (which I'm not sure he deserved, but that's another story). However, cutting a few dead weight players could free back up a lot of that money... for instance, the two most talked about: cutting Joe Horn would free up nearly $4.5 million. Cutting Fred Thomas would free up $2 million. If we could find a way to get our cap room back up around $20 million then I say we could definitely add a big name player like Thomas, as well as improving other positions such as CB and DT through the draft and some modest free agent upgrades.

                I don't know, maybe I'm just overly optimistic.

                And I'm glad I'm not the only one who would find it absurd to go with anything other than defensive help on the first day of the draft.
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                • Joe Horn was on WWL, said he expects his agent to come in this week and to work things out with the Saints. Sounded like he's going to restructure his contract, but won't take a pay cut.

                  things are looking up.

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                  • Originally posted by Auron View Post
                    Joe Horn was on WWL, said he expects his agent to come in this week and to work things out with the Saints. Sounded like he's going to restructure his contract, but won't take a pay cut.

                    things are looking up.
                    I really hope that he restructures but at the same if we could get something out of him by trading him then that would be fine w/ me as well.

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                    • What did you guys think about the LBs at the Combine? I think that Willis is pretty much out of our reach now :(

                      Poz looked really good though.

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                      • I think that we might be better off going elsewhere with our first round pick because it looks like the best linebackers will be gone and there won't be much value with New England and Phili picking ahead of us both of whom could pick LB.
                        On the Tenn. board they are talking about how pacman might be traded, I know that Peyton is in to character guys but we need a corner desperately, how about Horn 4th rounder for Pacman Jones. That would broaden our 1st round pick to WR, TE, LB, or CB. He would give us a great corner and another good return man. Pacman is a PLAYMAKER something the saints do not have on defense.

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                        • Originally posted by BiggerFoot View Post
                          I think that we might be better off going elsewhere with our first round pick because it looks like the best linebackers will be gone and there won't be much value with New England and Phili picking ahead of us both of whom could pick LB.
                          On the Tenn. board they are talking about how pacman might be traded, I know that Peyton is in to character guys but we need a corner desperately, how about Horn 4th rounder for Pacman Jones. That would broaden our 1st round pick to WR, TE, LB, or CB. He would give us a great corner and another good return man. Pacman is a PLAYMAKER something the saints do not have on defense.
                          The Titans would be incredibly stupid to trade Pacman for Joe Horn and a 4th round pick.
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                          • It would never happen anyway. Pac-Man isn't a Payton guy.. hell, that's an understatement, but still.
                            The whole world loves neophyte athletic tight end Jimmy Graham from Miami with the 95th pick. "Best pick in the draft,'' one AFC coach told me. "Give him time, and in that offense, he'll be better than [Jeremy] Shockey by the start of next year.''

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                            • Payton would never make a trade for Pacman with his off the field problems, I don't think he'd even try to sign him if the Titans cut him.

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                              • Originally posted by TPFKA#1SaintsFan View Post
                                The Titans would be incredibly stupid to trade Pacman for Joe Horn and a 4th round pick.
                                The Saints would be stupid to accept a trade proposal like that.

                                Jones is a thug.

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