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  • #16
    Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
    Thats the thing. Where do we put Chase? We can use Kawika's speed on the field. He actually looked pretty solid out there. At the same time, you hope Kiwi develops so we have a playmaker out there from the LB core as a pass rusher.

    Id have an open competition between Kawika and Chase right now for the WILL spot if Kiwi can eventually get the SAM position down. If he continues to struggle, we just gotta move Kawika to SAM and put Chase at WILL.

    I want to see Robbins in the middle too. Looks like we're gonna need him there. And I hope we move Coffield back to nose but I know thats not happening.
    the good thing is, we have options and depth. if someone isnt playing up to par, we have a couple guys i'd have no problem subbing in. plus, they're all versitile- Chase, Zak and Gerris.
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    BTW, if it's 3rd and 97... I'm throwing a screen pass to Brian Leonard and he will convert.

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    • #17
      So bigbluedefense, what did you think of your whipping boy Guy Whimper? Seemed to have a pretty good game for a guy you thought had no place on an NFL roster.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Go_Eli View Post
        So bigbluedefense, what did you think of your whipping boy Guy Whimper? Seemed to have a pretty good game for a guy you thought had no place on an NFL roster.
        Whimper made the key block that sprung Droughns for that nice screen. Besides that he didn't stand out. Which is probably a good thing for an offensive lineman. We'll see, I wish he was further along still.

        As for Diehl, I'm gonna go back and look at those first two pass plays, but besides that I think he played well. If he was terrible on those two plays, he definitely improved as the game went on.

        Other things. Kiwi did look bad. They exposed him on the first preaseason game. Not good. Kiwi will have to expect more of that, because Dallas will be drooling over tape of that game. Besides one bad play on a stunt, Marcus Bell looked decent. When they signed him, I didn't think he had a spot on this team, but with Joseph playing DE, I think he will make the squad. Speaking of Joseph, he looked good to me. Made one nice play that stood out in my head two days later, where he got in and moved laterally to make a nice play on the RB behind the LOS. Also this Dahl guy sucks. I know a lot of people were excited to have him, but he just can't cut it. I'd also like to see Ryan Grant give Bradshaw a run for his money but I doubt it happens because of Bradshaw's return ability as well. Grant seems to be fully healed. When we signed him two years ago out of Notre Dame, I thought we got lucky with a nice player, we'll see what happens. Also give time for Robert Douglas, he wasn't terrible and he definitely moves better than Finn and is a ton more athletic.

        Finally, the Big Boss Man is going to be hard to cover. He needs to work on quite a few things, but you could already see that he is going to be mismatch for a lot of people attempting to cover him.
        Last edited by Jughead10; 08-13-2007, 07:36 AM.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Go_Eli View Post
          So bigbluedefense, what did you think of your whipping boy Guy Whimper? Seemed to have a pretty good game for a guy you thought had no place on an NFL roster.
          He did decent on run blocking, but his pass protection was weak. He was getting beat a fair amount of times. And mind you, this is against 2nd and 3rd stringers. What would he do against the 1st string?

          Thats why I still believe he would be 3 on any other team's depth chart. Your backups should be able to somewhat handle starters in the NFL. Whimper at this stage in his development would get destroyed by starters. Its one thing if he did that against starters, I could say yeah maybe he can develop, but if youre doing that with 2nd and 3rd stringers, you are not backup worthy.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Jughead10 View Post
            Whimper made the key block that sprung Droughns for that nice screen. Besides that he didn't stand out. Which is probably a good thing for an offensive lineman. We'll see, I wish he was further along still.

            As for Diehl, I'm gonna go back and look at those first two pass plays, but besides that I think he played well. If he was terrible on those two plays, he definitely improved as the game went on.

            Other things. Kiwi did look bad. They exposed him on the first preaseason game. Not good. Kiwi will have to expect more of that, because Dallas will be drooling over tape of that game. Besides one bad play on a stunt, Marcus Bell looked decent. When they signed him, I didn't think he had a spot on this team, but with Joseph playing DE, I think he will make the squad. Speaking of Joseph, he looked good to me. Made one nice play that stood out in my head two days later, where he got in and moved laterally to make a nice play on the RB behind the LOS. Also this Dahl guy sucks. I know a lot of people were excited to have him, but he just can't cut it. I'd also like to see Ryan Grant give Bradshaw a run for his money but I doubt it happens because of Bradshaw's return ability as well. Grant seems to be fully healed. When we signed him two years ago out of Notre Dame, I thought we got lucky with a nice player, we'll see what happens. Also give time for Robert Douglas, he wasn't terrible and he definitely moves better than Finn and is a ton more athletic.

            Finally, the Big Boss Man is going to be hard to cover. He needs to work on quite a few things, but you could already see that he is going to be mismatch for a lot of people attempting to cover him.
            Yeah I forgot to mention Boss. He can turn out to be a nice steal for us in a year or 2 after development. I don't expect him to be a great blocker this year, but hopefully in a year or 2 he can become one. That would give us a formiddable 2 TE set which is my favorite base offense.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
              Yeah I forgot to mention Boss. He can turn out to be a nice steal for us in a year or 2 after development. I don't expect him to be a great blocker this year, but hopefully in a year or 2 he can become one. That would give us a formiddable 2 TE set which is my favorite base offense.
              He is just very athletic and it showed on the field. His blocking obviously needs work but I think his concentration does too. Someone who went to camp told me he is extremely cocky. I dunno if I believe it or not. Either way on the PI called against him, it was just a complete mismatch against Tim Shaw, a linebacker from Penn State many of us considering pre draft.

              Someone on another board mentioned this formation for use inside the 10 yard line in the red zone. Plax and Boss split out wide on each side. Bring our 6th O-lineman in at guard (most likely Piller), so we can have Seubert and Shockey at TE. So you have twin TEs, With Plax and Boss out wide, and Jacobs single back. The safeties would have to respect the fade to both Plax AND Boss. If they start cheating presnap to the sideline you can pound Jacobs up the middle with a power line since Richie is at TE. It made me think a bit.
              Last edited by Jughead10; 08-13-2007, 10:11 AM.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Jughead10 View Post
                He is just very athletic and it showed on the field. His blocking obviously needs work but I think his concentration does too. Someone who went to camp told me he is extremely cocky. I dunno if I believe it or not. Either way on the PI called against him, it was just a complete mismatch against Tim Shaw, a linebacker from Penn State many of us considering pre draft.

                Someone on another board mentioned this formation for use inside the 10 yard line in the red zone. Plax and Boss split out wide on each side. Bring our 6th O-lineman in at guard (most likely Piller), so we can have Seubert and Shockey at TE. So you have twin TEs, With Plax and Boss out wide, and Jacobs single back. The safeties would have to respect the fade to both Plax AND Boss. If they start cheating presnap to the sideline you can pound Jacobs up the middle with a power line since Richie is at TE. It made me think a bit.
                That could work. The safeties have to respect the quick slants. If you put Boss out wide on the same side as Shockey, and slant both of them, one of them will have man with their guy, which is a mismatch. One will pull the safety, the other either has a CB or a LB on him. I can see that working. Or heck, it can work with Burress too.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Jughead10 View Post
                  Besides one bad play on a stunt, Marcus Bell looked decent. When they signed him, I didn't think he had a spot on this team, but with Joseph playing DE, I think he will make the squad. Speaking of Joseph, he looked good to me. Made one nice play that stood out in my head two days later, where he got in and moved laterally to make a nice play on the RB behind the LOS.
                  Maybe I watched a different game, but I thought Bell looked awful. He had a horrible start and got pushed off the line but eventually settled down. Good thing he isn't a starter and I suppose he'll be a decent situational guy.

                  Joseph looked good? He's good at the bullrush, can't defend the run for anything. Basically every big run to his side was because he got pushed around and couldn't recover. Joseph wasn't overly impressive.

                  Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                  He did decent on run blocking, but his pass protection was weak. He was getting beat a fair amount of times. And mind you, this is against 2nd and 3rd stringers. What would he do against the 1st string?
                  He didn't get beat "a fair amount of times". He might have gotten beat once or twice but a lot of times he kept his man in front of him and offered good protection for the Hefty Lefty. Whimper didn't give up a sack. Maybe a few pressures but no sacks.

                  Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                  Thats why I still believe he would be 3 on any other team's depth chart. Your backups should be able to somewhat handle starters in the NFL. Whimper at this stage in his development would get destroyed by starters. Its one thing if he did that against starters, I could say yeah maybe he can develop, but if youre doing that with 2nd and 3rd stringers, you are not backup worthy.
                  How many backup tackles in the league are truly capable of handling LT duties if the guy in front of them got injured. You talk about Bob Whitfield - his head butting was the biggest problem but he got beat a fair amount of times as well.

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                  • #24
                    Whats up guys....haven't been around much and won't be back for good for another 2 weeks-

                    Only got to watch the 1st quarter and I walked away very disappointed.

                    -Diehl was getting beat by Stanley McClover, an everage 2nd string DE whom I did like in the 2006 draft, but there aren't many, if any DEs that Diehl will face that are worse than him. Needs to do a better jump defending his inside shoulder.

                    -Eli looked solid but how much can you come up with when you throw the ball 5 times? Did throw one bad pass but the TD and the flat pass to Douglas were both crisp and on the numbers. I think once he has his top two WRs out there, we'll be seeing a very good QB.

                    -Seubert....ugh I wish he was still the backup/3rd TE. I like him and how hew plays, but he just isn't that good. But he is the best we've got in there.

                    -Really liked the Moss reverse....if he gets just a little amount of room on the side to run (AKA if Plax or Toomer were blocking) he would have opened eyes. If Eli can consistently find him in dead spots, he is going to open things up for us BIG TIME. Can't stress enough how important he is to this offense. We haven't had explosion on this offense that he brings since I have watched this team.

                    -Osi looks like a monster, problem is William Joseph was playing DE on the other side. Ugh that gives me goosebumps. Strahan's situation will be a difference maker in the performance of our D-line....but another guy I am kleeping the eyeball on is Cofield. He needs to play better than he did Sat. night. He was getting beat off the ball consistently.

                    -I really like Mitchell, he'll be a solid, solid contributor for us.

                    -The SAM spot....I am going to have to wait on. The Kiwi project is going to take patience....something a lot of Giants fans refuse to have. I'm not one for throwing a rook in there to start, at least right away, so DeOssie is a no for me right now. Blackburn can't play the SAM....and although he is a beast, he might be better suited as our 4th LB. Possibly...we could move Mitchell to SAM and Blackburn to WILL but that's only if Kiwi really doesn't progress over the next few weeks.

                    -CB situation is scaring me a bit...I'm thinking Ross will eventually get his shot, hopefully sonner rather than later.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Number 10 View Post
                      -CB situation is scaring me a bit...I'm thinking Ross will eventually get his shot, hopefully sonner rather than later.
                      The safeties are scaring me more than the CBs. They were late to everything. Starters and reserves alike. Hopefully they just need to shake off some rust and catch up to game speed.

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                      • #26
                        Oh that reminds me of another thing that Number 10 pointed out. Coffield. He got worked the whole time he was out there. Constantly getting pushed back. We need him to play stronger.

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