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  • #16
    Originally posted by Shockey+Manning=Shocking View Post
    That's fine, that's what coaches do. They innovate and create ways to use players. Bill B is the master at that. He would be a great H back, can spell Jacobs on carries, and block for him as well. Good hands out of the backfield, and would be a huge upgrade over Finn. He also brings more to the table as well.

    I would disagree I think he fit in perfectly on this team, and what realistically would happen is the Eagles may get him, and than we'd have to worry about him, and Westbrook coming out of the backfield. I think he would be a great asset on this team, and brings tremendous value to this offense.
    Theres no question that he can help our team and help our offense by adding another weapon. My issue is, we can't take him so high in the draft with bigger fish to fry. Its just not something we can do. We have more important needs. We have enough playmakers on offense, its time for Eli to step up and use them to the best of his ability. We need improvement on the other side of the ball, and I think our day 1 picks should ultimately be concentrated on defense. Of course the board can change at any moment given falling players etc, but Im just saying, we should approach this draft with more defensive emphasis.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
      Theres no question that he can help our team and help our offense by adding another weapon. My issue is, we can't take him so high in the draft with bigger fish to fry. Its just not something we can do. We have more important needs. We have enough playmakers on offense, its time for Eli to step up and use them to the best of his ability. We need improvement on the other side of the ball, and I think our day 1 picks should ultimately be concentrated on defense. Of course the board can change at any moment given falling players etc, but Im just saying, we should approach this draft with more defensive emphasis.

      Yeah i can see your point of view, but if the team sees value in his versatility than even than I'd take him. Plus i'd say that's what Reese and TC like.. Notice how Kiwi was a DE, but COULD have potential as a SAM, Moss is a wr, that can probably KR and PR, WIlk played DE, and 3 LB positions, while BC played DE, and DT as well. CHarlie P is a hybrid S/CB, and WHimper was a project LT/TE. Notice the versatilty among all our picks. That's more of a reason, sticking with this theme of versatility that BL could be taken by us. His value in different spots, may off set the bigger fish to fry. That bigger fish may do one thing, so in essence BL, the smaller, fish could provide as much value because of his versalility.

      We do have playmakers, but we used them incorrectly.. We have plax and Shockey, and dont know about Moss yet or Jacobs. Someone like BL would give Eli even more targets especially of down the field isnt there, now you have guys like Jacobs and BL, that can be an effective weapon. Basically player utilization can make this smaller fish, as big as the bigger fish, because of value. Yea the need may not be there, but the value he can provide can over shadow the need.

      But I do like the defensive emphasis, but i still think when value like that comes across, you cant be too fixated in one philosophy.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Shockey+Manning=Shocking View Post
        Yeah i can see your point of view, but if the team sees value in his versatility than even than I'd take him. Plus i'd say that's what Reese and TC like.. Notice how Kiwi was a DE, but COULD have potential as a SAM, Moss is a wr, that can probably KR and PR, WIlk played DE, and 3 LB positions, while BC played DE, and DT as well. CHarlie P is a hybrid S/CB, and WHimper was a project LT/TE. Notice the versatilty among all our picks. That's more of a reason, sticking with this theme of versatility that BL could be taken by us. His value in different spots, may off set the bigger fish to fry. That bigger fish may do one thing, so in essence BL, the smaller, fish could provide as much value because of his versalility.

        We do have playmakers, but we used them incorrectly.. We have plax and Shockey, and dont know about Moss yet or Jacobs. Someone like BL would give Eli even more targets especially of down the field isnt there, now you have guys like Jacobs and BL, that can be an effective weapon. Basically player utilization can make this smaller fish, as big as the bigger fish, because of value. Yea the need may not be there, but the value he can provide can over shadow the need.

        But I do like the defensive emphasis, but i still think when value like that comes across, you cant be too fixated in one philosophy.
        Ugh, tell me about it. Player utilization is the biggest flaw of our team, and with the coaching staff still in place, it could rear its ugly head again this year.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
          Ugh, tell me about it. Player utilization is the biggest flaw of our team, and with the coaching staff still in place, it could rear its ugly head again this year.
          If that happens I will be pissed.. Use our damn players correctly and efficiently!

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Shockey+Manning=Shocking View Post
            Yeah i can see your point of view, but if the team sees value in his versatility than even than I'd take him. Plus i'd say that's what Reese and TC like.. Notice how Kiwi was a DE, but COULD have potential as a SAM, Moss is a wr, that can probably KR and PR, WIlk played DE, and 3 LB positions, while BC played DE, and DT as well. CHarlie P is a hybrid S/CB, and WHimper was a project LT/TE. Notice the versatilty among all our picks. That's more of a reason, sticking with this theme of versatility that BL could be taken by us. His value in different spots, may off set the bigger fish to fry. That bigger fish may do one thing, so in essence BL, the smaller, fish could provide as much value because of his versalility.

            We do have playmakers, but we used them incorrectly.. We have plax and Shockey, and dont know about Moss yet or Jacobs. Someone like BL would give Eli even more targets especially of down the field isnt there, now you have guys like Jacobs and BL, that can be an effective weapon. Basically player utilization can make this smaller fish, as big as the bigger fish, because of value. Yea the need may not be there, but the value he can provide can over shadow the need.

            But I do like the defensive emphasis, but i still think when value like that comes across, you cant be too fixated in one philosophy.

            The Giants have been to fixated with offense the past few seasons. That idiot EA felt he could build a 99 Rams type of offense in New York. That is not going to work. Meanwhile except for the D line, our defense has sunk to low levels.

            Defense is the trademark of the Giants. Not a bunch of prima donna ball hogs clamouring for the ball from a metrosexual QB.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by eacantdraft View Post
              The Giants have been to fixated with offense the past few seasons. That idiot EA felt he could build a 99 Rams type of offense in New York. That is not going to work. Meanwhile except for the D line, our defense has sunk to low levels.

              Defense is the trademark of the Giants. Not a bunch of prima donna ball hogs clamouring for the ball from a metrosexual QB.
              Are you lockhart by chance? ANd our last first round picks have been defense... Kiwi, Webster(first pick for us, 2nd rounder), Willy Joe, and than Shockey.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Shockey+Manning=Shocking View Post
                Yeah i can see your point of view, but if the team sees value in his versatility than even than I'd take him. Plus i'd say that's what Reese and TC like.. Notice how Kiwi was a DE, but COULD have potential as a SAM, Moss is a wr, that can probably KR and PR, WIlk played DE, and 3 LB positions, while BC played DE, and DT as well. CHarlie P is a hybrid S/CB, and WHimper was a project LT/TE. Notice the versatilty among all our picks. That's more of a reason, sticking with this theme of versatility that BL could be taken by us. His value in different spots, may off set the bigger fish to fry. That bigger fish may do one thing, so in essence BL, the smaller, fish could provide as much value because of his versalility.

                We do have playmakers, but we used them incorrectly.. We have plax and Shockey, and dont know about Moss yet or Jacobs. Someone like BL would give Eli even more targets especially of down the field isnt there, now you have guys like Jacobs and BL, that can be an effective weapon. Basically player utilization can make this smaller fish, as big as the bigger fish, because of value. Yea the need may not be there, but the value he can provide can over shadow the need.

                But I do like the defensive emphasis, but i still think when value like that comes across, you cant be too fixated in one philosophy.
                You make a very good point and if Leonard was to fall to us in the second round, I wouldn't be upset if we took him there. I don't believe that to be the case though, I think he'll be high second round, Tampa may go for him. We desperately need all of our picks this year to reload on the defense and offensive line. We'd be giving up a lot to grab him in the high second round.

                Another point was mentioned that our coaching staff has not game planned for certain players to take advantage of their abilities. I fear this would happen if we got Leonard. TC would stick him in at fullback and that would be that.

                I mean, no matter how much versatility the guy has, it's not going to help us if the defense gives up huge plays at the end of the game when our offense has done just fine. I can only remember us losing a couple of games because the offense was complete crap, but I remember many that were due to the defense giving up plays.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Forenci View Post
                  You make a very good point and if Leonard was to fall to us in the second round, I wouldn't be upset if we took him there. I don't believe that to be the case though, I think he'll be high second round, Tampa may go for him. We desperately need all of our picks this year to reload on the defense and offensive line. We'd be giving up a lot to grab him in the high second round.

                  Another point was mentioned that our coaching staff has not game planned for certain players to take advantage of their abilities. I fear this would happen if we got Leonard. TC would stick him in at fullback and that would be that.

                  I mean, no matter how much versatility the guy has, it's not going to help us if the defense gives up huge plays at the end of the game when our offense has done just fine. I can only remember us losing a couple of games because the offense was complete crap, but I remember many that were due to the defense giving up plays.

                  Well i'd rather have the player, because if our coaching staff sucks at player utilization than shame on us. But if the player is here, and if the system and coaches change perhaps the use of the player would be better utilized. One example is Troy P.. Under Lewis he was avg, but under LaBeau he truly became a stud.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Shockey+Manning=Shocking View Post
                    Are you lockhart by chance? ANd our last first round picks have been defense... Kiwi, Webster(first pick for us, 2nd rounder), Willy Joe, and than Shockey.
                    And all of those players were chosen before most people thought they should be. Only Kiwi showed flashes.

                    News to you. Shockey was not a defensive player and you conveniently left out Eli who cost us the 1st pick in the 2005 draft.

                    Reese would be stupid to draft Leonard just because he goes to Rutgers. You pick the best players in the NFL, not where they go to college. Who cares where they went to college.

                    You fangirls are laughable.

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                    • #25
                      Rumors of Giants interest in TJ Duckett. I doubt he'll get out of Buffalo (he's visiting them soon), because of the money they invested in FA on that O-line. I think Duckett would be a great fit in Buffalo, but if he makes it to the giants, that would be great. I know we need a change of pace back, but if we bring in another beast, that defense will take a beating.

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                      • #26
                        This is why eacantdraft is the most ignorant poster on the site, anyone who doesn't take his ridicously pessimistic view on things is labeled a fan girl. He has the mind of a 3 year old and doesn't understand that just because you don't think someone is horrible doesn't mean you think they are great either.

                        He conveiently forgets to mention that Accorsi was a .500 GM, which is average, not the worst GM in the league, not the worst GM ever. He made some bad decisions, and some good ones, just like every other average GM in the league.

                        He could do us a favor and walk in front of train, what a pathetic excuse for a fan.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Damix View Post
                          This is why eacantdraft is the most ignorant poster on the site, anyone who doesn't take his ridicously pessimistic view on things is labeled a fan girl. He has the mind of a 3 year old and doesn't understand that just because you don't think someone is horrible doesn't mean you think they are great either.

                          He conveiently forgets to mention that Accorsi was a .500 GM, which is average, not the worst GM in the league, not the worst GM ever. He made some bad decisions, and some good ones, just like every other average GM in the league.

                          He could do us a favor and walk in front of train, what a pathetic excuse for a fan.
                          UH OH. eacantdraft made a powerful enemy.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by ricky bobby View Post
                            UH OH. eacantdraft made a powerful enemy.
                            I'm tired of his crap posts

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                            • #29
                              Eh, I'm not sure about Duckett to be honest. I'd much rather have a speedy back who can be lined up in the slot. While Darius Walker is exactly speedy, I would love to see him on our roster. Although I personally would love to grab Lorenzo Booker if we can get him at good value.

                              Brian Leonard will not happen unless for some cataclysmic reason he ends up dropping to us in the second. Look for Tampa to take him the second. Gruden loved him at the Senior Bowl and they could use someone to help Cadillac Williams out. Clearly we will not take him in the first.
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                              • #30
                                We are looking for a FB. We were looking a Mughelli before he recieved an insane contract. That means we aren't 100% satisfied with Finn. If Leonard gets back up to 235-240, we should look into drafting him in the 3rd round. Other than that, i'd say no to Leonard also.

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