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  • Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
    We can probably just nab a punter as an UDFA. nobody drafts a punter if i remember correctly.

    We shouldve nabbed Gano when we had the chance as a kicker. I heard he's been doing well for the Skins.


    Right now I'm thinking DT and C. Safety is also a big need. I'm hoping we can address safety in FA though. There are some good FA safeties available, and considering the need for a high end DT and C, I rather spend our 1st 2 rounds on those needs opposed to using one of our early picks on a safety.
    You'd be surprised how many teams have drafted kickers/punters and even long snappers late in the draft. If it means we can bring in a guy who gives us great field position and help out the defense I'm all for getting a punter in the 6th/7th round. Same goes for a kicker. Getting a guy who doesn't make our defense constantly start out on the other teams own 30-40 would really help the defense out.

    I agree with you about our needs though, and the order in which they should be addressed. A lot of it will based on who falls to us though. If for example Mays fell to us I could see us going that route, but if not I certainly see DT as option. I don't expect us to get a big run stuffer like everyone is thinking though.
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    • A lot of the draft stuff might also be based on whether or not we keep Sheridan. If we bring in someone new we might be going in a different direction.
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      • thoughts on going to a 3-4? The packers did it and it's working wonders for them. Think:

        Tuck-drafted NT-Canty
        Osi-Goff-Boley-Kiwi

        I think it could work, not gonna lie.
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        • We all know how I feel about the 3-4 :)

          I think though if we went 3-4, we'd have to use Wade Phillip's 1 gap variation. We can't use a traditional 2 gap 3-4 bc Tuck is out of place in that scheme.

          Maybe a ZB style 3-4 could work too.


          The easiest fix is just grabbing someone out of Philly again to run the ZB 46. Our team is built to run Philly's scheme.

          I love me some John Fox, but I don't really remember much about his schemes as a DC.

          Dick Jauron scares me a little.

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          • Originally posted by scottyboy View Post
            thoughts on going to a 3-4? The packers did it and it's working wonders for them. Think:

            Tuck-drafted NT-Canty
            Osi-Goff-Boley-Kiwi

            I think it could work, not gonna lie.
            I don't. We'd be relying on presumably a rookie nose tackle and forcing many of our great players to adjust to roles they've never even tried. We're a 4-3 team and there isn't much a doubt about it to me. As bad as a defense as we're playing now we are just one year removed from having a great defensive season, and having an amazing one in 2007. Doesn't make any sense to try and force guys into new roles.

            I'm not opposed to trying a hybrid defense though, if you could find the guy to do it. We could use some 3-4 looks and I recall Spags using a 3-4 look a few times for us when he was here, although not to a great extent.

            If this defense was devoid of talent I'd be for a switch but we still have a lot of good players, many who are/were injured plus we've clearly got a dumbass for a defensive coordinator.
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            • The great thing about running our D out of a 3-4 front is how the 3-4 is just much better at masking blitzes.

              You guys see the Jets im sure. You see how Rex Ryan draws up and masks his blitzes? Its much easier to do so in a 3-4. Sure, guys would have to learn new roles, but they would also benefit from coming clean a couple of times to smack the qb.

              The only concern of mine would be Tuck. Tuck is not a 3-4 OLB. He'd have to be a 3-4 End, and he's not big enough to be a 3-4 End. He can be one in Wade Phillip's 1 gap scheme though.

              Osi and Kiwi would thrive standing up. You can argue that they'd actually be better in that role than as DEs.

              And Sintim would thrive too.

              And if youre going to make the switch, this is the year to do it. Wilfork and Hampton are FAs, and Dan Williams and Terrance Cody are available in the draft.

              I'm not saying we should go 3-4, but I don't think it would be an entirely bad idea. Depends. Would you rather have a crappy 4-3 DC or a good 3-4 one?

              Ideally we want a great 4-3 DC, but theres no guarantee that any are available to us.

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              • exactly. I mean, my ideal situation is Fox gets fired and comes back here as our DC. I'd go INSANE. I LOVE him.
                But if not, I'm just saying a 3-4 could be in the cards.
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                • Do any of you guys remember what style of D Fox ran?

                  I honestly don't remember. I asked in the Carolina Team Forum to get a better gauge of whether he fits our personnel or not.

                  I love Fox. But if he runs a lot of Cover 2 and doesn't blitz much, I don't know if thats what we want.

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                  • But again, you're still assuming those guys will all thrive in the 3-4, when there is really no guarantee of that. I honestly have no idea if Osi will be able to stand up. I'd be willing to bet Kiwi could as he's played LB in the 4-3, but it's still no guarantee. Plus like you mentioned, it will make Tuck far less useful, even if it is a 1 gap scheme.

                    What happens to all of the other players you didn't mention? Who knows if Boley can play inside? Who knows if Goff can? What about Jay Alford, can he even play a 3-4 DE? No clue. Rocky Bernard becomes even more useless than he already is.

                    There are just too many question marks to risk switching to a 3-4, especially when Eli is just entering his prime and the offense is very good, and young.

                    All it takes is one bad transition to the 3-4 and it could screw up our defense for years.
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                    • Don't like the fact that transitioning to 3-4 would make us have to draft Cody basically and he has knee issues which will definitely be worsened by playing at an NFL level, and we'd really only have him at NT.

                      if we go to a 3-4 we'll need to draft accordingly, meaning we'll need another ILB, a NT, we still need safeties, and probably a DE. Then we'd have to land a veteran NT which would all but show that we wasted money on bernard and somewhat canty.

                      1. Cody
                      1. (next year's 1st and 4th) Branden Spikes
                      2. Corey Wooten
                      3. Darrell Stuckey
                      4. Sergio Render
                      5. Myron Rolle

                      Offensive line still needs help, but i wouldnt be opposed if we got this,
                      wouldn't mind that really, Cody would definitely need a veteran to rotate with, Spikes would be a pretty nasty ILB, Wooten is a beast and would be pretty ideal and essential for our transistion. Stuckey isn't a beast but he has decent potential from what i've heard, Render used to be highly regarded, and helping two freshmen to rushing records in consecutive years means that he is a pretty decent run blocker, Rolle is smart, may be slow, but is pretty decent in run support.

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                      • Clint Sintim would be a beast 3-4 OLB! Favorite player in the draft last year.

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                        • With Osi looking the way he has since his injury, and with Kiwi just lacking that finishing touch to his rushes, and with Tuck showing that he could be injury prone, would it shock anyone to see us go after a pass rusher early?

                          I could see us getting Greg Hardy if he falls for the right price. Maybe in the 2nd round.

                          Wouldn't shock me at all.

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                          • Scott's latest mock has us taking Dan Williams. Thoughts?

                            I wouldn't mind it at all. We can go in a number of directions in this draft, but landing a DT like Williams sounds good to me.

                            I think we need a DT like Williams. We've been missing that kind of DT presence since Keith Hamilton. Its been a long time since we had a stoute run stuffing NT who can grab double teams.

                            And considering how we're already thin at DT, and could get thinner in the offseason, this might be the pick. We all know Reese goes after the BPA in our biggest need in round 1. He's done it 3 years in a row now.

                            With Robbins possibly not coming back, Coffield possibly not coming back, Bernard most likely getting cut, and Alford coming off an ACL, DT could easily be our biggest need this offseason.

                            Vince Oghabasse is a guy i'm warming up to as well. But I prefer Dan Williams at the moment.

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                            • Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                              The only concern of mine would be Tuck. Tuck is not a 3-4 OLB. He'd have to be a 3-4 End, and he's not big enough to be a 3-4 End. He can be one in Wade Phillip's 1 gap scheme though.
                              I know he would be literally perfect for Wade's scheme but I always felt he would be a beast of a 3-4 End in andyone's scheme for some reason. He may not have the size and bulk, but if you had a huge NT in the middle I'm pretty sure it wouldn't matter. I would love to see a 3-4 ran with a huge NT like Kris Jenkins in the middle and two DE's like Ratliff and Tuck on each side, I wouldn't care which scheme it was.


                              Parcells was really high on Tuck also if I'm not mistaken that year so he would of likely been in his scheme at that position also.





                              Originally posted by Scott Wright
                              I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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                              • Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
                                I know he would be literally perfect for Wade's scheme but I always felt he would be a beast of a 3-4 End in andyone's scheme for some reason. He may not have the size and bulk, but if you had a huge NT in the middle I'm pretty sure it wouldn't matter. I would love to see a 3-4 ran with a huge NT like Kris Jenkins in the middle and two DE's like Ratliff and Tuck on each side, I wouldn't care which scheme it was.


                                Parcells was really high on Tuck also if I'm not mistaken that year so he would of likely been in his scheme at that position also.
                                Wow, I didn't know that. Parcells would probably get him to bulk up to about 295ish. He's around 270 now.

                                Ratliff and Tuck on the same dline in any scheme would be beastly. 4-3 line, 3-4 line, doesn't matter. That would be ridiculous.

                                Imagine lining up those 2 on the same side of the dline and stunting them? Who do you block?

                                Im actually surprised Dallas doesn't do that with Ware and Ratliff in 4 man nickel fronts now that I think of it.

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