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  • Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
    I wouldn't mind some FA DTs either.

    If there is no new CBA in place by next year (and Goodell has made it clear owners are preparing for that), then Free Agency will be a problem

    Assuming the Giants are in the top 8 playoff teams (which looks likely at this point), the Giants will only be able to sign free agents as our current free agents sign elsewhere.

    On top of that our only free agents will be Robbins, Clark and Carr

    Players will need 6 years to become a free agent, meaning Hixon, Moss, Whimper, Cofield, Wilkinson, Dockery, and Brown (all of whom would be UFA with a CBA) would not be free agents, the Giants would retain their rights.
    Last edited by Big_Pete; 10-14-2009, 08:34 PM.

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    • Originally posted by LetsGoGiants! View Post
      I saw on a mock draft on another site, where the person had us taking Brian Price DT from UCLA. I saw him play against Oregon this week and I was pretty impressed. What do you guys think of this pick?
      I haven't gotten a chance to check him out but I've read some really good things that make him seem like he should be the clear cut #3 DT after McCoy and Suh. So he'll probably be a top 20 pick, but there are a bunch of other gifted DTs I have seen who should be available if we don't end up going SS, which would be my preference.

      BK

      Originally posted by AcheTen
      JPP is a better and more productive player than Brandon Graham
      Originally posted by abaddon41_80
      Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.
      Originally posted by JBCX
      Most misleading 10+ sack season EVER.

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      • After Brandon Spikes suspension (what a terrible thing to do btw, he shouldve gotten more than a half game suspension), I hope he falls in this draft.

        He's still a beast, and my favorite ILB prospect. Right now he's #1 on my target list.

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        • Here is my thoughts of the draft/offseason (they really go together) from 2 Nov

          Bear in mind I have taken into consideration the fact that we will see alot of underclassmen (likely substantially more than the approx 50 we have had in recent years).

          I don't think you can separate the draft from the rest of the offseason process, they are very much interlinked imho

          What a difference a week makes. I thought the Eagles game will be a pivotal point in the season. Lets face it, we were soundly beaten in all phases by a team that was beaten by the Raiders just two weeks ago. I think the Saints showed teams how to beat the Giants deep and the Cardinals, and Eagles followed suit. I expect with teams like Atlanta, Dallas and San Diego we will see more of the same.

          From recent performances, and where the team is at, I think we rebound to some degree, but it won’t be enough. I think we are looking at an 8-8 or 9-7 season with the Giants missing out on the playoffs to Dallas and/or Philadelphia.

          Firstly, I am assuming there is a new collective bargaining agreement in place before next season. I think the NFLPA and the NFL will make an agreement, probably at the last minute in early Jan.

          Here are my current thoughts for the 2010 offseason


          Coaching Carousel
          For right or wrong I think Coughlin could be fired this year. It is true that no-one works harder than Coughlin, but it seems at several points this season, we have been out-coached.

          Our players haven't executed well at times, but also there have been several time when I don’t think our players have been put in the best position to compete and win games.

          Our attiude is strong, we have the work ethic, committment and team focus. No-one prepared harder than Coughlin, but his system is reasonably rigid and doesn't seem to adjust well in games. But for whatever reason, this team doesn't have the tactical agility to adapt to dynamic in game situations.

          I can’t help thinking if we had Spagnuolo as Head coach instead of Coughlin, we would be a very different team. Bottom line: Barring a monumental turn around, I think we will be looking for a new head coach.

          Head Coach – Charlie Weis
          Weis is a very, very good offensive minded coach. He develops very good schemes and more importantly, can make in game adjustments (which is my main criticism of Coughlin). We know he can explosive offenses (often without super star players). He now has head coaching experience and has proven he can build a team . Being head coach at Notre Dame is excellent experience of being under the media spotlight in NY. The fact that the Giants are his ideal job is gravy.

          Defensive Coordinator/Assistant Head Coach – John Fox
          With Weis as Coach, we need an experienced guy to handle the defense, particularly someone who is experienced with 4-3 defenses. I can’t see Fox surviving the annual end of season coaching purge. But there is no doubt that Fox is a very very good defensive coach, particularly with defensive backs. Fox has an excellent defensive mind, has had success with the Giants and is a good fit. I think Fox will build on the excellent groundwork we have from Spagnuolo/Sheridan and take it to the next level.

          Special Teams Coach – Brian Polian
          Currently Weis’ special team coach at Notre Dame; Brian is a very good coach and comes from the famed Polian family who have had much success in the NFL. Special teams has been a problem for some time for us, changes are needed.

          Other coaches
          For the most part I would keep the rest of the coaching staff. They are very good at what they do and have strong relationships with the players. This includes Gilbride, whom I think is very good schematically, knows the players well and perhaps has been hindered a little by Coughlin and his structured approach – but have no doubt Weis will be calling the plays.


          Notes:
          1. I have assumed that Aaron Ross is moved to FS over the back half of this season and does really well. This will allow Phillips to move into SS.

          2. Diehl continues to struggle against speed rushers. William Beatty will seriously push him in camp; if Beatty is up to the task, Diehl will slide inside to LG and pushing Seubert to the bench.


          Free Agency

          Giants Free Agents
          Carr, Hixon, Moss, Whimper, Cofield, Robbins, Clark, Wilkinson, Dockery, CC Brown, Feagles

          Resign – Hixon, Cofield and Carr to reasonable contract extensions (I assume Feagles will retire).

          Consider contract extensions for Alford, Bradshaw, Umenyiora, Boss, Smith, M Johnson

          Release Antonio Pierce
          He proved he still has ability, but he is declining. The big reason is to save $ 4.75m against the cap. There is a lot to like about Pierce, but his contract far outweighs his performance.

          Rocky Bernard has not performed as expected so far, and his status will be reviewed during the off-season. But Robbins will be gone and Bernard does provide solid veteran depth. If Cofield can be resigned then Bernard is likely on the way out particularly if we upgrade the position in the draft. This is a numbers game, Cofield isn't a super star, but he is young, experiences and is a very solid run stopper, particularly on running downs and he complements Alford and Canty well; plus he should be reasonably priced. Dominating the trenches up front will be a priority particulalry at DT.

          This means Pierce, Moss, Whimper, Robbins, Clark, Wilkinson, Dockery, Brown and quite possibly Bernard will be plying their trade elsewhere in 2010.

          Salary cap wise, I think we will be in decent shape. I think we will have enough for a very solid (but perhaps unspectacular) offseason.

          Free Agency Signings

          LB Demeco Ryans, Houston.
          Ryans is a quality, young (25) MLB that is a huge upgrade over Pierce. He has not been happy with Houston and I think the Texans will choose to franchise Robinson instead of Ryans, particularly with the emergence of Cushing. Certainly the Texans have been very reluctant to pay him what would have been a reasonable deal, which further indicates that he could be available. Ryans is an ideal fit for the middle of our defense. The Giants give him the opportunity to play on a legitimate playoff contender behind a dominant Dline.
          *other options include Barrett Ruud, D'Qwell Jackson, Derrick Johnson and Karlos Dansby

          CB Richard Marshall, Carolina
          A good young (24) CB on a bad team. Marshall is a the type of CB we like and gives as a very good group of corners. Marshall also has more speed than Webster, Ross or Thomas giving us better match ups against quicker receivers (which have caused us some problems). This also gives us the option of moving Aaron Ross (or perhaps Terell Thomas) to FS if need be. The Giants give Marshall the chance to play on a legitimate play-off team with his former head coach.
          *other options include Dunta Robinson and Marlin Jacskon

          TE Anthony Fasano, Miami
          Fasano is a young (25) blocking TE to complement Boss and Beckum. The Giants give him the chance to play on a legitimate play-off team in his home town. Fasano is solid at best in the passing game and is really a very good #2. Also there are alot of good receiving TEs available in both free agency and the draft.
          *other options include Jeff King

          Draft

          Going into the draft we don't have a huge amount of needs and can generally take the best player available. We do need to upgrade LB, DT and secondary depth at some point. I have assumed the Giants are picking in the 15-20 range.

          1. DT Arthur Jones, Syracuse (6-4, 293, 5.05)
          (2007-09: 31 GP, 130 Tackles, 27.5 TFL, 6 sacks)
          Jones is a very strong, mobile NT, who is very disruptive despite regular double teams. John Fox knows the value of being strong up front. Jones gives us that anchor we haven’t really had since Keith Hamilton and substantially upgrades our DT rotation.

          2 OT Selvish Capers, West Virginia (6-5, 298, 5.00)
          Capers is the powerfull, agile, athletic bookend OT who could play eithe side. Capers is too good to pass up. We did get Beatty last year, but McKenzie has had injuries at times and Diehl struggles with speed rushers. Capers gives us a pair of bookend tackles to develop for the future, with Diehl likely moving back to LG eventually.

          3. S Darrell Stuckey, Kansas (6-1, 205, 4.50)
          (2007-09: 34 GP, 226 tackles, 10 TFL, 1.0 sack, 7 Int (71 yds), 15PBU, 1 QBH, 3 FR, 3 FF)
          Stuckey is a good all round safety. Deep coverage has been a real problem and there is some uncertainty with Phillips long term future. He gives us more quality depth and another stud special teamer.

          4. LB Pat Angerer, Iowa (6-1, 235, 4.50)
          (2008-09: 22 Games, 196 tackles, 10 TFL. 2 sacks, 6 int (72 yds), 7 PBU, 3 QBH, 2 FF)
          Angerer is a fast, athletic, instinctive but undersized MLB who may shift outside to WLB for us. Boley has shown how a fast, athletic WLB transforms our defense, Angerer gives us valuable depth and a stud special teamer.

          5. CB Syd’Quan Thompson California (5-9, 191, 4.50)
          (2008-09:34 GP, 179 tackles, 14.5 TFL, 2 sacks, 6 Int (204 yards), 30 PBU, 1 FF)
          Thompson is a very good all round CB, that lackes elite measurables. Thompson has been very productive and can also return punts. The CB class is very deep, but Thompson is excellent value here providing good depth and and excellent special teamer.
          Giants trade up to the late 4/early 5 using the 7th round pick

          6. P Zoltan Mesko, Michigan (6-5, 231, 4.75)
          (2006-09: 45 GP, 237 P, 10,074 yds, 42.5 ave, 66 Long, 73 I20, 0 blocked)
          Mesko is a strong leg punter who is used to cold weather football. Mesko is an ideal replacement for Feagles and helps considerably with Field position.



          Possible Roster

          - With this offseason in mind, my 2010 depth chart would be something like:

          Offense (26)
          QB - Manning, Carr, Bhomar
          WR - Smith, Nicks, Manningham, Hixon, Barden, Hagan
          TE - Boss, Fasano, Beckum/Johnson
          RB - Jacobs, Bradshaw, Brown, Ware
          FB - Hedgecock
          OT - McKenzie, Beatty, Capers
          OG - Snee, Diehl, Seubert, Boothe
          OC - O'Hara, Koets

          Defense (25)
          DE - Tuck, Umenyiora, Kiwanuka, Tollefsen
          DT - Canty, Alford, Jones, Cofield
          SLB - Sintim, Kehl, DeOssie (LS)
          MLB - Ryans, Goff, Blackburn
          WLB - Boley, Angerer
          CB - Webster, Marshall, Thomas, Thompson, B Johnson
          SS – Phillips, Stuckey
          FS - Ross, M Johnson

          Special Teams (2)
          K - Tynes
          P - Mesko
          Last edited by Big_Pete; 11-03-2009, 05:36 AM.

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          • Coughlin could go 5-11 for the season and still not get fired. And rightfully so, he shouldn't get fired. The players buy into his system.

            If anyone is gone, its Sheridan. I could see John Fox possibly coming back, the Giants have a proud history of assistants that would love to coach here, so I wouldn't think it would be too hard to find a quality assistant to replace Sheridan.

            Although I think we need to give Sheridan more time before we write him off. He's not as bad as we think he is.

            Im all for DeMeco Ryans, but I don't know if he fits our system. We need a run thumper, and Ryans is more of smaller guy. The Texans haven't exactly been dominant against the run either, Ryans is more of a tackle compiler than a playmaker.

            I love Ryans, love his intelligence, work ethic, leadership etc, but Im not sure if he's what we need in the middle.

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            • Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
              Coughlin could go 5-11 for the season and still not get fired. And rightfully so, he shouldn't get fired. The players buy into his system.

              If anyone is gone, its Sheridan. I could see John Fox possibly coming back, the Giants have a proud history of assistants that would love to coach here, so I wouldn't think it would be too hard to find a quality assistant to replace Sheridan.

              Although I think we need to give Sheridan more time before we write him off. He's not as bad as we think he is.

              Im all for DeMeco Ryans, but I don't know if he fits our system. We need a run thumper, and Ryans is more of smaller guy. The Texans haven't exactly been dominant against the run either, Ryans is more of a tackle compiler than a playmaker.

              I love Ryans, love his intelligence, work ethic, leadership etc, but Im not sure if he's what we need in the middle.
              You are right about Coughlin and Sheridan, perhaps that was frustration from the Eagles gamel but they do have to lift their games.

              I disagree agout Ryans; the very thing that hurts us most with Pierce is a lack of mobility. Thumpers are nice, but we need mobile thumpers who can cover. They are exceedingly rare.

              If we need a true thumper on certain downs, we do have guys like Sintim and Goff. I don't see any reason to bring in a "thumper" style MLB, particularly early.

              I have assumed that Fox is DC, the key to the defense will be strength up front. Ryans is a very similar style of player (perhaps a little better); it is worth remembering that he doesn't have the help up front, nor a great secondary.

              Regardless these are my current thoughts, I am curious to see how they change over the season.

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              • I would have to agree with Big Pete. Most of the LBs we have drafted have been strong against the run, and weak in coverage. Pierce was a great asset early with us because his quick feet allowed him to take advantage of his reads. Its clear we need an athletic Mike that can drop into coverage. You pair a guy like that with Boley, we will be in good shape.

                I think a run stuffing DT also allows your athletic backers to stuff the gaps. You really don't need Ray Nitschke these days. You need a guy who can get to the right gap quickly. Once he is there, any backer worth his salt should be able to make the tackle.

                I think we should be very aggressive in filling the holes we have at the Mike spot and at Safety. We don't know how Kenny Philips will play once he comes back. Thankfully, there are a lot of Safeties in this years draft.
                Here are a list of some potential Safeties in next year's free agent class:
                O.j. Atogwe
                Nick Collins
                A. Bathea
                Darren Sharper
                Roman Harper
                Atari Bigby

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                • Some names of guys that I can realistically be available to us currently that I would be interested in.

                  I'm not saying these are the only guys that id like, just that ive seen em and like what they have to offer, and wouldnt mind them in Giant blue.

                  Brandon Spikes - ILB
                  Nate Allen - Safety
                  Sean Weatherspoon - OLB/ILB
                  Jermaine Gresham - TE
                  Earl Thomas - Safety

                  I haven't scouted any DTs, but Id be very open to drafting a run stuffing DT in round 1, or even a Center.

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                  • Jamar Chaney intrigues me. I don't think he's as big as he's listed. He doesn't have overly great speed, he doesn't hit guys in the phonebooth with authority.

                    He seems like a solid guy, nothing stands out but very solid.

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                    • I'll hop on the Earl Thomas bandwaggon, although i dont think he has enough weight on him to play safety immediately.

                      We need to find a way to get Rolando McClain on our team. Imagine Boley, McClain, and Sintim as our starting 3 LBs. How idealistic would that be for our defensive scheme? McClain has such range that we could essentially use Boley and him interchangeably to cover these shifty runningbacks and tightends that seem to kill us. Kenny Phillips could essentially be a rover type player with his varied skillset. All we need now is a cover safety that can make wrapup tackles when needed.

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                      • I'd love for us to trade up for McClain. He's been one of my favorite players to watch all years.
                        #Chop


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                        • I know a MLB like McClain or Spikes would be great, but I'm more concerned with our DT position. I'd for us to move back in the first and grab Vince Oghobaase, a S like Reshad Jones or Nate Allen and Matt Tenant. I want to see what Goff can do with this team, especially if we improve the DT play.

                          BK

                          Originally posted by AcheTen
                          JPP is a better and more productive player than Brandon Graham
                          Originally posted by abaddon41_80
                          Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.
                          Originally posted by JBCX
                          Most misleading 10+ sack season EVER.

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                          • Originally posted by Rosebud View Post
                            I know a MLB like McClain or Spikes would be great, but I'm more concerned with our DT position. I'd for us to move back in the first and grab Vince Oghobaase, a S like Reshad Jones or Nate Allen and Matt Tenant. I want to see what Goff can do with this team, especially if we improve the DT play.
                            I'd be fine with a DT also depending on who it is. I always dream of what a dominant DT would be able to open up for our pass rush.
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                            • Considering the fact that we don't have a huge amount of needs and that we may be picking alot earlier than we would like...

                              It is worth trading up to pick a guy like Eric Berry?

                              If we add someone like Berry at FS (shifting Phillips to SS), this defense looks extremely formidable.


                              Eg: If we end up at say #16, by the trade value chart, we could trade our 1st, 2nd and 2010 2nd and end up in the #5 area. There are alot of teams around there in need of alot of help and could really use the extra picks.
                              Last edited by Big_Pete; 11-11-2009, 04:00 AM.

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                              • MIKE, DT, Safety, Center.

                                I wouldn't mind any of those positions in the 1st. If we do have a top 15 pick, then I want us to move up and nab Rolando McClain. He's the next Patrick Willis.

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