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  • #31
    Originally posted by Number 10 View Post
    They would be "grumbling" as you put it, right now. The vacnancies are closing by the day and with every RB move that occurs, his chances are getting smaller and smaller.

    Until I actually hear anything out of him, I assume he is fine with the role he is on knowing that he'll make back next year.
    Could mean one of two things:

    1. He wants to play for a championship team next year

    2. Maybe he's more a product of the system, and rather come out next year for a bigger payday as an unrestricted FA after increasing his stock under Turner, who made the most out of Frank Gore.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
      Could mean one of two things:

      1. He wants to play for a championship team next year

      2. Maybe he's more a product of the system, and rather come out next year for a bigger payday as an unrestricted FA after increasing his stock under Turner, who made the most out of Frank Gore.
      If you have starting potential and you settle for a backup role, you don't have the love for the game or the money. His stock is as high as it can possibly get behind LT. There is no way he gets better stats than what he already has.

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      • #33
        To get back on topic. I just watched a video of Nelson on Youtube. They call him "the eraser" on there, which is just ridiculous because they don't show a single big hit. He gets INTs, but that may be because the QB is always under a ton of pressure. The Florida front 7 was stacked last year, in case you didn't notice.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by ricky bobby View Post
          To get back on topic. I just watched a video of Nelson on Youtube. They call him "the eraser" on there, which is just ridiculous because they don't show a single big hit. He gets INTs, but that may be because the QB is always under a ton of pressure. The Florida front 7 was stacked last year, in case you didn't notice.
          You didnt see where that one guy ducked to prevent Reggie from laying wood on him?

          Or that one shot in the endzone (albeit a cheapshot)?

          And remember, we're running a scheme now that is based heavily on pressure.

          So he gets INTs in a scheme that gets pressure. We have the scheme, and the horses up front to get pressure. Whats the problem?

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          • #35
            Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
            You didnt see where that one guy ducked to prevent Reggie from laying wood on him?

            Or that one shot in the endzone (albeit a cheapshot)?

            And remember, we're running a scheme now that is based heavily on pressure.

            So he gets INTs in a scheme that gets pressure. We have the scheme, and the horses up front to get pressure. Whats the problem?
            Most of "The erasor's" tackles aren't solo tackles and he comes in and puts a weak shoulder into a guy that is off balance, or already wrapped up. He looks like he gets erased about as much as he erases. We didn't get that much pressure last year, and if we did, our current Safties would get more INTs. Nelson won't do what for us what he did in Florida.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by ricky bobby View Post
              Most of "The erasor's" tackles aren't solo tackles and he comes in and puts a weak shoulder into a guy that is off balance, or already wrapped up. He looks like he gets erased about as much as he erases. We didn't get that much pressure last year, and if we did, our current Safties would get more INTs. Nelson won't do what for us what he did in Florida.
              We didn't get pressure because 3 of our 4 DEs went down. Plus Tim Lewis never blitzed, so teams just chipped/doubled up our Ends and that was that.

              With Spagnuola, expect a very different scheme. We will blitz early and often. Couple the fact that our dline is better than the Eagles dline, he's gonna get pressure on the qb.

              The issue will be coverage. We need CBs and Safeties who can hold up in man coverage. Reggie provides that playmaker our secondary has been missing for quite some time. He's a playmaker who will make plays on the ball, and he'll create turnovers. Thats just what we need.

              We have the ability to create pressure. Now with Spags, we have a DC who will utilize that ability. Now we need to compliment it with a player in the secondary who can capitalize off the pressure and create turnovers. Thats what Reggie Nelson can do better than any player in this draft.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                We didn't get pressure because 3 of our 4 DEs went down. Plus Tim Lewis never blitzed, so teams just chipped/doubled up our Ends and that was that.

                With Spagnuola, expect a very different scheme. We will blitz early and often. Couple the fact that our dline is better than the Eagles dline, he's gonna get pressure on the qb.

                The issue will be coverage. We need CBs and Safeties who can hold up in man coverage. Reggie provides that playmaker our secondary has been missing for quite some time. He's a playmaker who will make plays on the ball, and he'll create turnovers. Thats just what we need.

                We have the ability to create pressure. Now with Spags, we have a DC who will utilize that ability. Now we need to compliment it with a player in the secondary who can capitalize off the pressure and create turnovers. Thats what Reggie Nelson can do better than any player in this draft.
                I agree about our front seven, we will get more pressure next year. I also agree that we have issues in our secondary, but it's not the safties that are at fault. Let's look through the CBs on our roster.

                Sam Madison - Was once a great corner, but is way past those days
                RW McQuarters - Not starting material for sure. Maybe a Nickelback
                Corey Webster - Made big plays at a school with front 7 talent (LSU), similar to Reggie Nelson. When healthy, opponents used him to their advantage.
                Kevin Dockery - Showed some promise as a rookie, but definately not starter material quite yet.
                EJ Underwood - Let's just hope he's not another Jonas Seawright, all hype but no game.
                Frank Walker - somebody put it best "A walking penalty flag"

                Our Safties
                Gibril Wilson - He's not going anywhere, and will start for us next year whether it's at SS or FS.
                Will Demps - I'll admit he is more of a SS. He didn't have the best showing in the begining of the year, but really picked his game up for the last third of the season
                James Butler - I was hoping we'd see more of him last year, but we didn't. He still might develop.
                Bell - I don't know much about him other than he's old, a journeyman and most likely will be replaced by a second day Safety.

                It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that CB is the position that needs to be upgraded. I'm waiting to see Darrelle Revis's pro day. If he runs a good 40 he should be our pick. Hall or Houston should also be considered in the first. McCauley in second. If we decide to sign Hood, who seems to want starting money, I wouldn't be opposed to taking a safety in round 3.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by ricky bobby View Post
                  I agree about our front seven, we will get more pressure next year. I also agree that we have issues in our secondary, but it's not the safties that are at fault. Let's look through the CBs on our roster.

                  Sam Madison - Was once a great corner, but is way past those days
                  RW McQuarters - Not starting material for sure. Maybe a Nickelback
                  Corey Webster - Made big plays at a school with front 7 talent (LSU), similar to Reggie Nelson. When healthy, opponents used him to their advantage.
                  Kevin Dockery - Showed some promise as a rookie, but definately not starter material quite yet.
                  EJ Underwood - Let's just hope he's not another Jonas Seawright, all hype but no game.
                  Frank Walker - somebody put it best "A walking penalty flag"

                  Our Safties
                  Gibril Wilson - He's not going anywhere, and will start for us next year whether it's at SS or FS.
                  Will Demps - I'll admit he is more of a SS. He didn't have the best showing in the begining of the year, but really picked his game up for the last third of the season
                  James Butler - I was hoping we'd see more of him last year, but we didn't. He still might develop.
                  Bell - I don't know much about him other than he's old, a journeyman and most likely will be replaced by a second day Safety.

                  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that CB is the position that needs to be upgraded. I'm waiting to see Darrelle Revis's pro day. If he runs a good 40 he should be our pick. Hall or Houston should also be considered in the first. McCauley in second. If we decide to sign Hood, who seems to want starting money, I wouldn't be opposed to taking a safety in round 3.
                  Under what premises did you come to those conclusions about our CBs?

                  When in man coverage, our CBs were more than adequate. The only concern is age. Will they hold up for another year? Thats the issue. Production out of our CBs in man coverage (which is what they'll be asked to do next year) was fine. It was our Safeties that consistently gave up big plays up the middle of the field. Ive said it a million times over by now. All we did was run Cover 2 last year. And the safeties got eaten alive for it. Even in Man, when we gave up a play, it was our safeties on the TE. Go watch some old games if you don't believe me.

                  But we didn't lack production out of the CB spot, not when in Man coverage. The only CB who got his ass handed to him was Webster, who probably won't even make the team next year. Everyone else did fine in man coverage. The safeties are the guys who sucked.

                  Now if you want CBs because of the age of our current ones, fine, that makes sense. But to say that we need CBs because of a lack of production is not right. Thats not the true culprit of our secondary issues.
                  Last edited by bigbluedefense; 03-08-2007, 05:50 PM.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                    Under what premises did you come to those conclusions about our CBs?

                    When in man coverage, our CBs were more than adequate. The only concern is age. Will they hold up for another year? Thats the issue. Production out of our CBs in man coverage (which is what they'll be asked to do next year) was fine. It was our Safeties that consistently gave up big plays up the middle of the field. Ive said it a million times over by now. All we did was run Cover 2 last year. And the safeties got eaten alive for it. Even in Man, when we gave up a play, it was our safeties on the TE. Go watch some old games if you don't believe me.

                    But we didn't lack production out of the CB spot, not when in Man coverage. The only CB who got his ass handed to him was Webster, who probably won't even make the team next year. Everyone else did fine in man coverage. The safeties are the guys who sucked.

                    Now if you want CBs because of the age of our current ones, fine, that makes sense. But to say that we need CBs because of a lack of production is not right. Thats not the true culprit of our secondary issues.
                    Please point out to me the exact quote about any of the CBs that you disagree with. How many interceptions did our CBs get last year? Did we have one solid guy that we can put on our opponent's number 1 reciever, and count on him to hold him to 50 yards or less? The answer is no. We didn't have one single guy that we felt confortable with covering a guy like TO, or Santana Moss, or Steve Smith. We need a solid number 1 CB. Please don't tell me that Webster, McQuarters or Madison will be that guy. You will lose all credibility in my book.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by ricky bobby View Post
                      Please point out to me the exact quote about any of the CBs that you disagree with. How many interceptions did our CBs get last year? Did we have one solid guy that we can put on our opponent's number 1 reciever, and count on him to hold him to 50 yards or less? The answer is no. We didn't have one single guy that we felt confortable with covering a guy like TO, or Santana Moss, or Steve Smith. We need a solid number 1 CB need next. Please don't tell me that Webster, McQuarters or Madison will be that guy. You will lose all credibility in my book.
                      Theres no question that we could use a shutdown corner.

                      But are there any in this draft?

                      Probably not. I don't want to invest in a CB who will ultimately be "solid" but not shutdown. Thats what we would be doing in this draft. None of these CBs have Antonio Cromartie ceilings. Maybe McCauley, but he's a major gamble, and a round 2 guy anyway, where I wouldn't be opposed to nabbing a CB.

                      In a perfect world, we would nab both. But in a draft thats pretty weak, I rather get the higher graded talent. And the safeties (who are also a need for us) simply have a much higher grade than the round 1 CBs in this draft. We come out with more talent with a round 1 safety, plus fill what is ultimately a need anyway.

                      Im simply not a fan of drafting round 1 CBs who provide no shut down potential. None of these guys do.

                      I can live with a round 2 CB. But I wouldn't take a round 1 CB over a guy like Nelson. We'd be sacrificing too much grade to do that.

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                      • #41
                        Seems to me that you've fallen in love with Nelson and are willing to draft him despite the fact that we have bigger needs. I can almost assure you that we will not draft a safety in round one. We have 4 or 5 greater needs.

                        1a. OLB
                        1b. CB
                        1c. WR - I can't decide which is the biggest.
                        2. DT
                        3. O-line depth
                        4. RB
                        5. Safety
                        6. Kicker
                        Last edited by ricky bobby; 03-08-2007, 06:26 PM. Reason: forgot RB

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                          We didn't get pressure because 3 of our 4 DEs went down. Plus Tim Lewis never blitzed, so teams just chipped/doubled up our Ends and that was that.

                          With Spagnuola, expect a very different scheme. We will blitz early and often. Couple the fact that our dline is better than the Eagles dline, he's gonna get pressure on the qb.

                          The issue will be coverage. We need CBs and Safeties who can hold up in man coverage. Reggie provides that playmaker our secondary has been missing for quite some time. He's a playmaker who will make plays on the ball, and he'll create turnovers. Thats just what we need.

                          We have the ability to create pressure. Now with Spags, we have a DC who will utilize that ability. Now we need to compliment it with a player in the secondary who can capitalize off the pressure and create turnovers. Thats what Reggie Nelson can do better than any player in this draft.
                          im liking your thought process i most defiantly concur with you. im really excited about what spags will do for our d# this year. i think reggie would be a great fit and give us some depth. weather it be demps coming of the bench or putting gibril on the trading block for a round 2 and picking up Meriweather..

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                          • #43
                            I'm forced to bring this link up agian. Voted on by almost 3500 giant fans.

                            http://www.webpollcentral.com/v2/?id...&user=kennedye

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                            • #44
                              so what ricky, we can get a LB in round 2 if necessary. i think spags is going to make a world of difference for us.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by hugepunch View Post
                                so what ricky, we can get a LB in round 2 if necessary. i think spags is going to make a world of difference for us.
                                Ok??? Did you also see the large portion taken up by CB? Safety was amongst the lowest in percentages. This is the only site where i've found Giant fans crying for a safety.

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