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    ****** Knicks.


    anyway, discuss how much we suck.

  • #2
    Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
    ****** Knicks.


    anyway, discuss how much we suck.
    Wow great opening to a thread BBD. we dont suck as much we did last yr so off to 2010 away.

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    • #3
      its just so frustrating. at least Galo scored some points in our opener. My boy Wilson Chandler is looking good too.

      But jeez, no 1st round draft pick. No real Center to speak of. We have too many small forwards. no point guard, no real shooting guard, we're a hot mess.


      We need to trade a forward while we can.

      Id package a forward and Nate Washington for a legit defensive Center.

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      • #4
        I'm thinking Wade and Bosh come in next year and no LeBron.
        #Chop


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        • #5
          Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
          its just so frustrating. at least Galo scored some points in our opener. My boy Wilson Chandler is looking good too.

          But jeez, no 1st round draft pick. No real Center to speak of. We have too many small forwards. no point guard, no real shooting guard, we're a hot mess.


          We need to trade a forward while we can.

          Id package a forward and Nate Washington for a legit defensive Center.
          Wilson Chandler didn't play good in the 1st game at all so dont know why your happy about his performance.

          we have no 1st thank 2 Isiah but hopefully at worst you can buy a pick from a contender who usually sell their picks

          Nate Washington? lol idk he left the titans for the Knicks no seriously what center are you going to trade for and expect this other team to take Nate and a extra.

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          • #6
            Did I say Nate Washington? lol.


            Id love Wade, but can we afford Wade and Bosh? I thought they made some changes to the salary cap and we probably will only be able to afford 1 guy?

            Id honestly rather have Amare than Bosh. Bosh is too soft for my liking.

            And Chandler had 21 points? How was he awful?

            My concerns with Amare are his health and his defense though. But I think you can teach him defense. He has toughness to him. His health scares me though. He was such a monster before that microfracture surgery. I think his game has dipped lately bc he's become unmotivated in Phoenix.

            I think the bright lights of NY and coming back to D'Antoni would light a fire under him.

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            • #7
              I'm pretty sure they can still afford 2 max contracts.
              #Chop


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              • #8
                Well hot damn.

                I guess I'll start paying attention next year and just skip this year then. No need for any extra aggravation that this team would cost me.

                I said after we traded Ewing (<///3), that I wouldn't get excited about the Knicks until I feel we put together a legit team that could compete for a championship.

                That was 10 years ago :(

                I still can't believe we traded Ewing. I still haven't forgiven the Knicks for that one.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                  Did I say Nate Washington? lol.


                  Id love Wade, but can we afford Wade and Bosh? I thought they made some changes to the salary cap and we probably will only be able to afford 1 guy?

                  Id honestly rather have Amare than Bosh. Bosh is too soft for my liking.

                  And Chandler had 21 points? How was he awful?

                  My concerns with Amare are his health and his defense though. But I think you can teach him defense. He has toughness to him. His health scares me though. He was such a monster before that microfracture surgery. I think his game has dipped lately bc he's become unmotivated in Phoenix.

                  I think the bright lights of NY and coming back to D'Antoni would light a fire under him.
                  ya u said Nate Washington

                  Wilson Chandler shot the ball horribly he didn't make many jump shots yet he took a lot. Look at his shot chart and look at all the missed shots jumpers he took. Most of his points were around the paint except for one shot.

                  We can only afford 1 guy if we cant get rid of Curry and Jeffries. I would easily take Bosh over Amare. Mike had him in phoenix and couldn't teach him defense but now in NY he is going to teach him defense? come on. Bosh is tougher then Amare yet you want Amare over him. Bosh at least makes a effort on defense unlike Amare.
                  Last edited by LTgiants; 10-30-2009, 04:35 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by LTgiants View Post
                    ya u said Nate Washington

                    Wilson Chandler shot the ball horribly he didn't make many jump shots yet he took a lot. Look at his shot chart look all the missed shots jumpers he took most of his points were around the paint except for one shot.

                    We can only afford 1 guy if we cant get rid of Curry and Jeffries. I would easily take Bosh over Amare. Mike had him in phoenix and couldn't teach him defense but now in NY he is going to teach him defense? come on. Bosh is tougher then Amare yet you want Amare over him. Bosh at least makes a effort on defense unlike Amare.
                    I'm ok with it. We have no jump shooters outside of Gallo, who should be banging in the paint anyway, so I'm ok with him taking jump shots. Somebody's gotta do it.

                    I don't want Gallo standing outside like Dirk Nowitzki's soft ass and shooting jumpshots, I want him in the paint banging bodies. He has to learn some toughness.

                    I'm not expecting D'Antoni to be our head coach for more than 2 more years. Signing Amare though would be a long term decision. Amare sucks at defense but can easily learn how to play it. He has the body for it, its just effort, that needs to be taught to him. He'll learn under the right guidance. He's tougher than Bosh. He shows it on the offensive side with how he attacks the hoop. He just needs someone to teach him how to be aggressive on the defensive side as well. Its all mental with him, a good defensive coach with credibility could mold him into a defender.

                    Bosh is not a banger in the paint. He tries, but he's too skinny. Shaq is right, he's RuPaul.

                    I don't want that on our team. I don't want to see us become a finesse team, although it looks like thats what we're becoming.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                      I'm ok with it. We have no jump shooters outside of Gallo, who should be banging in the paint anyway, so I'm ok with him taking jump shots. Somebody's gotta do it.

                      I don't want Gallo standing outside like Dirk Nowitzki's soft ass and shooting jumpshots, I want him in the paint banging bodies. He has to learn some toughness.

                      I'm not expecting D'Antoni to be our head coach for more than 2 more years. Signing Amare though would be a long term decision. Amare sucks at defense but can easily learn how to play it. He has the body for it, its just effort, that needs to be taught to him. He'll learn under the right guidance. He's tougher than Bosh. He shows it on the offensive side with how he attacks the hoop. He just needs someone to teach him how to be aggressive on the defensive side as well. Its all mental with him, a good defensive coach with credibility could mold him into a defender.

                      Bosh is not a banger in the paint. He tries, but he's too skinny. Shaq is right, he's RuPaul.

                      I don't want that on our team. I don't want to see us become a finesse team, although it looks like thats what we're becoming.
                      Wilson Chandler should not be taking more jump shots then anyone on this team except for Jared Jeffries that's literally about it.

                      Gallo should be shooting jump shots till the d was to worry about it him making to many and then drive it in the paint he is 20-21 yrs old he is not going to come and banging in the paint like he is Dejuan Blair that is not gallo's game I hope he does develop a inside game like Dirk(who is far from a *****) has and have Gallo play the 4 so Wilson can play the 3.

                      D'antoni is going to be the head coach until he says he wants out. Walsh is not going to fire him even if the 2010 plan doesn't work. Amare has been in the league longer then bosh yet he hasn't learned it under our coach so know all of a sudden he is going to learn defense why cause he is being coached in a different state? I am sorry but give me Bosh any day over Amare.

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                      • #12
                        We can argue Bosh vs Amare all day and just never agree on it. I always like Stoudemire better. I just feel he's a better player.

                        Just a difference of opinion. Never was a big fan of Bosh bc I don't like skinny power fowards.

                        Dirk is a *****. Come on. Always was. Out of all the big men in the NBA, I probably hate Dirk Nowitzki the most.

                        Im old school in my basketball philosophies, I always felt big men should be post players who are tough. Let the Guards shoot and penetrate. Big men should rebound, block shots, and post up, and have an inside game.

                        Dirk Nowitzki is a 7 foot shooting guard, and he plays like it too. And is a mental midget. Id never want him on the Knicks. I can't stand his game, or anyone who plays like him. Thats why Im not a Gallo fan, and probably never will be.

                        He'll never have a ring. (Dirk)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                          We can argue Bosh vs Amare all day and just never agree on it. I always like Stoudemire better. I just feel he's a better player.

                          Just a difference of opinion. Never was a big fan of Bosh bc I don't like skinny power fowards.

                          Dirk is a *****. Come on. Always was. Out of all the big men in the NBA, I probably hate Dirk Nowitzki the most.

                          Im old school in my basketball philosophies, I always felt big men should be post players who are tough. Let the Guards shoot and penetrate. Big men should rebound, block shots, and post up, and have an inside game.

                          Dirk Nowitzki is a 7 foot shooting guard, and he plays like it too. And is a mental midget. Id never want him on the Knicks. I can't stand his game, or anyone who plays like him. Thats why Im not a Gallo fan, and probably never will be.

                          He'll never have a ring. (Dirk)
                          I am sorry you havent watched much of recent dirk cause he actually is in the paint a lot. I could name much softer players then dirk but im on the run so I cant go through the whole list.

                          Amare aint that much bigger then bosh yet suffers from the same problems you give bosh flack for.

                          Gallo isn't the same as dirk similar yes but not the same at all.

                          I agree I like the 90's Knicks style of using defense to create offense have the bigs rebound and try to post up all game if they don't have it throw it to the guards for the j I understand where your coming from. This isn't the same its about speed and moving the ball more then power and force. Ideally this system would be run like the showtime Lakers good on defense explosive on offense. Unlike the old Knicks which were more about terrorizing defense and points in the paint.

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                          • #14
                            Yeah, me personally, I just don't believe in the run and gun type of basketball. Never have.

                            I've always been a defense/half court offense guy.

                            I know the league has changed since the 90s, you can't handcheck anymore and all of that, but 1 thing that will always remain true in basketball is defense wins in the playoffs.

                            You don't need to be dynamic on offense. Thats what your superstars are for. You just need 2 scorers on offense, (ideally 1 inside guy and 1 outside guy), and everybody else just needs to be role players who play hardnosed defense, can rebound, and hit a decent jump shot.

                            Thats it. I don't like the direction we're heading in. The spread and penetrate style. It doesn't win championships.

                            Eh, I don't know. I'm just a frustrated fan.

                            The only players I like on our team are Wilson Chandler and David Lee. I feel like they can at least be decent role players who can thrive around some stars.

                            Everyone else can go. Al Harrington is a solid player too, I don't mind him. Let's see what our draft pick does, id love for him to be a scrappy dog in the paint.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                              Yeah, me personally, I just don't believe in the run and gun type of basketball. Never have.

                              I've always been a defense/half court offense guy.

                              I know the league has changed since the 90s, you can't handcheck anymore and all of that, but 1 thing that will always remain true in basketball is defense wins in the playoffs.

                              You don't need to be dynamic on offense. Thats what your superstars are for. You just need 2 scorers on offense, (ideally 1 inside guy and 1 outside guy), and everybody else just needs to be role players who play hardnosed defense, can rebound, and hit a decent jump shot.

                              Thats it. I don't like the direction we're heading in. The spread and penetrate style. It doesn't win championships.

                              Eh, I don't know. I'm just a frustrated fan.

                              The only players I like on our team are Wilson Chandler and David Lee. I feel like they can at least be decent role players who can thrive around some stars.

                              Everyone else can go. Al Harrington is a solid player too, I don't mind him. Let's see what our draft pick does, id love for him to be a scrappy dog in the paint.
                              I have no problem with the run gun but the only way run and gun really works is if you have guys who play defense and who can play offense. Which is why I was really happy we drafted a guy like Toney Douglas this year who could possibly be our pg of the future if not then our sixth man of the future.

                              You don't have to be a dynamic offense but it helps make up if you don't have a good enough defense. Unfortunately we are not 100% good on either side of the ball yet.

                              Al Harrington has stepped up to be a leader so far this season and has been playing well but we cant afford to pay him any big money he has to be willing to sacrifice possible fa money if he wants to stay.

                              Imo I don't know how sold Walsh is on giving Lee or Nate a long term deal I think if he can trade them( If he can idk) by the deadline and get something he likes I wouldn't be surprised if both are gone.

                              Jordan Hill is a project he is still learning he is nowhere near making a big contribution to this team right now maybe towards the end of the season he might show a flash or two.

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