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  • Size will be the issue all season. We're going to get killed on rebounds all season, it is what it is.

    I wouldn't overreact to this game. They're still gelling, they haven't even practiced the full offense yet. And they're probably looking forward to the Heat on Sunday.

    The obvious negatives were rebounding and interior defense. Rebounding is a size issue, the interior defense is a coaching issue. We are great at blocking shots, but far too often we let guys penetrate so we can go for the block. That's bad coaching.

    One positive is, I think we underestimated Billups a bit. Maybe he's going to be better than we thought.

    Isola made a note of this, Amare and Melo are -21 (the exact # could be a lil off) when on the floor together through 2 games. That's an obvious chemistry issue.

    What I love about getting Melo, and I've stated this before, now we can rest Stat for a long stretch without losing so much offensively, and vice versa. That was huge for this team, prior to having Melo we'd have to play Stat far too many minutes. Now we don't have to do that anymore bc we have 2 stud scorers.

    But yeah, our needs remain the same. We need size and we need a backup PG in the worst way.

    I didn't realize we have a 2011 first round pick? I guess we can address Center or backup PG with that pick. Then get a mid level guy to address the other need this offseason.

    This season is a wash. That's fine, you gotta think long term.

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    • Originally posted by LTgiants View Post
      Our biggest problem is post defense not perimeter defense. Jeffries doesn't help with that and his perimeter defense is not that good either he is not any good unless he is guarding someone with a obvious flaw in their game like Rondo with his no jumper.
      But our perimeter D without Gallo is now pretty bad to, Dougie gambles a lot which makes him annoying but also easy to blow by if he guess wrong, which happens quite often. Fields just doesn't know how to use his length and strength to keep smaller and shiftier guys in front of him, kinda like Wilson Chandler when he's on the perimeter, and Melo doesn't play D often enough for his ability to play good D to matter. Plus Jeffries does a very good job of anticipating guys and using his length to beat them to spots, I think Gallo learned a lot from him in Jeffries last run with this team and I hope Landry Fields can do the same this time.

      As for this game I wouldn't worry too badly, we've got 2 ball stoppers and not that many quality offensive players around them, we're going to struggle to find chemistry and there will be a lot of nights where teams just let Melo or Amar'e shoot their way out of a rhythm leaving us with **** all to try and score, it's what happens when you have no depth of quality offensive players you become to reliant on your "stars" to carry you every minute of every game, especially since we don't ahve a guy like Gallo who would be a complimentary piece most of the time but has the ability and balls to take over when needed. I mean outside of Amar'e Gallo was the only guy we had who you could give the ball against good halfcourt D and safely expect to get you points. With no one capable of stepping up from their role player role into a game-taker-overer when Melo/Amar'e aren't clicking on all cylinders.

      BK

      Originally posted by AcheTen
      JPP is a better and more productive player than Brandon Graham
      Originally posted by abaddon41_80
      Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.
      Originally posted by JBCX
      Most misleading 10+ sack season EVER.

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      • Seriously...enough of Gallo.

        He wasn't even that good of a perimeter defender. He hustled hard, but he wasn't exactly Bruce Bowen.

        I'm so glad we flushed that turd down the toilet.

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        • Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
          Seriously...enough of Gallo.

          He wasn't even that good of a perimeter defender. He hustled hard, but he wasn't exactly Bruce Bowen.

          I'm so glad we flushed that turd down the toilet.
          And yet Gallo's forced elite players like LeBron, Durant and Melo into inefficient games where they have to work really hard for their points. He's not Bruce Bowen, but the way Gallo has learned to use his length and anticipation on D is remarkable for a 22 year old, there's a reason he's one of the league leaders for charges taken, and it's not because he's a flopper. Gallo was clearly our best perimeter defender and without him we don't have anyone who's going to make top wings work hard for their points, which is all you can really ask for with these rules, even Bruce Bowen wouldn't be the player he was if he was starting his prime right now.

          BK

          Originally posted by AcheTen
          JPP is a better and more productive player than Brandon Graham
          Originally posted by abaddon41_80
          Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.
          Originally posted by JBCX
          Most misleading 10+ sack season EVER.

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          • Originally posted by Rosebud View Post
            And yet Gallo's forced elite players like LeBron, Durant and Melo into inefficient games where they have to work really hard for their points. He's not Bruce Bowen, but the way Gallo has learned to use his length and anticipation on D is remarkable for a 22 year old, there's a reason he's one of the league leaders for charges taken, and it's not because he's a flopper. Gallo was clearly our best perimeter defender and without him we don't have anyone who's going to make top wings work hard for their points, which is all you can really ask for with these rules, even Bruce Bowen wouldn't be the player he was if he was starting his prime right now.
            You need to get over him. He's gone and he's not coming back bro. I know you loved the guy, and I feel bad bc I know you're a true Knicks fan, but you gotta let it go.

            He wasn't that great. He was solid, but you're glamorizing a guy who was nothing more than a solid player.

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            • Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
              You need to get over him. He's gone and he's not coming back bro. I know you loved the guy, and I feel bad bc I know you're a true Knicks fan, but you gotta let it go.

              He wasn't that great. He was solid, but you're glamorizing a guy who was nothing more than a solid player.
              He's still a kid, I know he was too inconsistent, and this year his shot was clearly off, but in the 2 years worth of games he's played for the knicks he's shown me more star potential than any homegrown knick I've watched since Ewing. I'm never going to be over him since I think the kid will become a Manu caliber player, even though I know he'll never be a knick again I'm still going to root for the guy, the same way I rooted for spree and the KG t'wolves. Plus despite the inconsistencies he was our best perimeter defender, a guy who consistently could bother the toughest assignment on the perimeter and who was the only guy on this team other than Amar'e I trusted to score against good half court D.

              BK

              Originally posted by AcheTen
              JPP is a better and more productive player than Brandon Graham
              Originally posted by abaddon41_80
              Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.
              Originally posted by JBCX
              Most misleading 10+ sack season EVER.

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              • Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                You need to get over him. He's gone and he's not coming back bro. I know you loved the guy, and I feel bad bc I know you're a true Knicks fan, but you gotta let it go.

                He wasn't that great. He was solid, but you're glamorizing a guy who was nothing more than a solid player.
                I don't think anyone needs to "get over him." I'm still rooting for him big time. Watching him drop 30 on the Trailblazers last night was pretty fun to see.

                I think if you're a Knicks fan like Rose, one who actually watched the team during the Isiah years and the past two years, you would be pretty attached to Gallo as well, considering he was the lone bright spot after almost a decade of complete ****.

                That's part of why I don't understand why you disliked him, BBD. How can you call a guy who hustles and tries and plays well a bum? That was the thing that kind of pissed me off when you'd do that. Eddy Curry? Now that's a bum.

                Gallo will be pretty damn good for the Nuggets. He's on a team that will actually look to get him the ball and create instead of just make sit at the three point line.
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                • Originally posted by Rosebud View Post
                  But our perimeter D without Gallo is now pretty bad to, Dougie gambles a lot which makes him annoying but also easy to blow by if he guess wrong, which happens quite often. Fields just doesn't know how to use his length and strength to keep smaller and shiftier guys in front of him, kinda like Wilson Chandler when he's on the perimeter, and Melo doesn't play D often enough for his ability to play good D to matter. Plus Jeffries does a very good job of anticipating guys and using his length to beat them to spots, I think Gallo learned a lot from him in Jeffries last run with this team and I hope Landry Fields can do the same this time.

                  As for this game I wouldn't worry too badly, we've got 2 ball stoppers and not that many quality offensive players around them, we're going to struggle to find chemistry and there will be a lot of nights where teams just let Melo or Amar'e shoot their way out of a rhythm leaving us with **** all to try and score, it's what happens when you have no depth of quality offensive players you become to reliant on your "stars" to carry you every minute of every game, especially since we don't ahve a guy like Gallo who would be a complimentary piece most of the time but has the ability and balls to take over when needed. I mean outside of Amar'e Gallo was the only guy we had who you could give the ball against good halfcourt D and safely expect to get you points. With no one capable of stepping up from their role player role into a game-taker-overer when Melo/Amar'e aren't clicking on all cylinders.
                  Look you are over rating Jeffries perimeter D like crazy. He gets blown by just like Douglas but unlike Douglas he isn't going for the ball he just gets beat and even with his length he is still gets beaten by guys with speed like Chandler and Fields.

                  So what is the point? We are not getting beat on the perimeter we are getting beat in the post. We are getting beat to rebounds on both sides cause we have nobody who rebounds even when the other team actually misses a shot. Jeffries does not help in any of the aspects we need help with right now.

                  We don't need to waste a roster spot on Jeffries when you got Corey Brewer and Balkman who can play the role of a perimeter defender. You need to sign two guys who can play center.

                  If our two ball stoppers as you call them can make quicker decisions our offense would be better cause when they just sit there trying to decide there is usually a player open for either a better shot and would result in more ball movement. Either you need to move the ball more or adopt to a more iso system cause this half and half thing right now is not wrong.

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                  • Corey Brewer sucks balls. I'd certainly bring in Jeffries. We need someone who can play defense off the bench and Jeffries can do that. You must not remember last year LT when he was our best defender and we were actually winning some games with him in the lineup.

                    At this point what does it actually matter? We need depth and defense. Minds well give it a shot. It's not like we're bringing him in on a 4 year deal.
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                    • Did we ever track down that throwback Amare jersey BBD was looking for? I think I might purchase one as well.

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                      • Originally posted by Forenci View Post
                        Corey Brewer sucks balls. I'd certainly bring in Jeffries. We need someone who can play defense off the bench and Jeffries can do that. You must not remember last year LT when he was our best defender and we were actually winning some games with him in the lineup.

                        At this point what does it actually matter? We need depth and defense. Minds well give it a shot. It's not like we're bringing him in on a 4 year deal.
                        I will take my chances with Corey Brewer then Jeffries. They both suck but I would rather have the 24 year old one then the near 30 year old bum.

                        I do remember last year Forenci and he still sucked he was not the reason we won anything. Being the best defender on awful defensive team is not impressive.

                        Cause we need centers and PF's not a guy who guards PG's.

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                        • Well if you can show me a guy who can do that I'll be all for getting them instead of Jeffries. Until then we could use a guy who can guard a wing because Melo and company obviously can't.
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                          • They cant guard the post either so at least you should have someone who can protect the paint after they blow past Jeffries.

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                            • Originally posted by Forenci View Post
                              I don't think anyone needs to "get over him." I'm still rooting for him big time. Watching him drop 30 on the Trailblazers last night was pretty fun to see.

                              I think if you're a Knicks fan like Rose, one who actually watched the team during the Isiah years and the past two years, you would be pretty attached to Gallo as well, considering he was the lone bright spot after almost a decade of complete ****.

                              That's part of why I don't understand why you disliked him, BBD. How can you call a guy who hustles and tries and plays well a bum? That was the thing that kind of pissed me off when you'd do that. Eddy Curry? Now that's a bum.

                              Gallo will be pretty damn good for the Nuggets. He's on a team that will actually look to get him the ball and create instead of just make sit at the three point line.
                              I disliked him bc he was becoming ridiculously overrated. My biggest fear was our lovefest for Gallo would prevent us from pulling the trigger on moving him in a package for a star player. I'm very pleased that it wasn't. Obviously the front office (even prior to Dolan taking over talks) felt that he wasn't good enough to exclude as part of a trade package.

                              And thank God for that. He was getting to a point where I feared we'd be stuck with his "potential" instead of pulling the trigger for an already established stud.

                              And I'm tired of this "other teams will look to get him the ball" talk. That's ********. He had every opportunity to demand the ball when Stat went to the bench. Did he? No.

                              Great players don't need to be pushed to demand the ball. They take it. He's not that kind of player and never will be. When we sucked, nobody forced him to hang out at the 3 point line. He did that on his own. Our own coaching staff said they wanted him to attack more and they didn't like how passive he'd get during long stretches. It wasn't coaching. It was Gallo.

                              It wasn't necessarily Gallo that annoyed me, it's how overrated he became from our fan base bc we got so accustomed to dog crap for the past 10 years that we got complacent as a fan base and accepted the Gallinari's of the world as good players we must keep.

                              Thanks for the memories Gallo, I appreciate your hustle, but at the end of the day, you were just another guy. He gets glamorized for it bc he cared in a era of Knick basketball when nobody else did, but that doesn't make him special. That just makes him a good soldier.

                              Whoopidy doo.

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                              • Originally posted by ATLDirtyBirds View Post
                                Did we ever track down that throwback Amare jersey BBD was looking for? I think I might purchase one as well.
                                This. We seriously need to find those throwbacks. I can't find em anywhere.

                                Originally posted by LTgiants View Post
                                I will take my chances with Corey Brewer then Jeffries. They both suck but I would rather have the 24 year old one then the near 30 year old bum.

                                I do remember last year Forenci and he still sucked he was not the reason we won anything. Being the best defender on awful defensive team is not impressive.

                                Cause we need centers and PF's not a guy who guards PG's.
                                I agree with LT. I don't like the move for Jeffries, I don't see how it improves our team.

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