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    • What did you guys think of the draft?

      I liked it. I was hoping Vucevic would fall to us but was taken 1 pick earlier, so that sucked.

      But I don't get why everyone is trashing the pick. I thought it was a good pick. Shumpert can D up, and he's athletic. I know his offensive game is suspect, but we have enough offense, it's good to add an athletic defender in our backcourt. We needed that.

      I admittedly know nothing about either of our picks, but it seems good to me on paper. Shumpert sounds and looks like an athletic stingy defender who can give us quality minutes as a specialist, and we got our big in round 2. Hopefully he'll be a nice big body for depth.

      I didn't think it was a bad draft. Vucevic was my first choice, but hey, what can ya do? I think Shumpert will be a nice depth guy who fits a need.

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      • Vucevic would have been a awful pick for us. I don't hate the pick I would just prefer to have somebody who is more of a knock down shooter. Shumpert is still developing his.

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        • Originally posted by LTgiants View Post
          Vucevic would have been a awful pick for us. I don't hate the pick I would just prefer to have somebody who is more of a knock down shooter. Shumpert is still developing his.
          Why? I thought Vucevic would be a decent bench guy who can give us a good 10-15 minutes a game during the season at the 4 so we can rest Stat a lil more.

          I didn't want him as a starter, I viewed him as a depth guy who can give us more options in the paint when Stoudemire takes a rest. Right now our only 4 or 5 who can score consistently is Amare, Vuvecic couldve been a nice depth option in that regards, don't you think?

          A knockdown shooter would have been nice, but hey, what can ya do? It's not like they were available at 17. We just have to hope Fields develops his J this offseason.

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          • Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
            Why? I thought Vucevic would be a decent bench guy who can give us a good 10-15 minutes a game during the season at the 4 so we can rest Stat a lil more.

            I didn't want him as a starter, I viewed him as a depth guy who can give us more options in the paint when Stoudemire takes a rest. Right now our only 4 or 5 who can score consistently is Amare, Vuvecic couldve been a nice depth option in that regards, don't you think?

            A knockdown shooter would have been nice, but hey, what can ya do? It's not like they were available at 17. We just have to hope Fields develops his J this offseason.
            Vuceviic is a center not a 4.

            Vucevic is also soft and crappy on D. I don't think he is going to be a good pro player. He getting drafted at 16 is literally because this was a terrible draft for centers. He is not very athletic so imagine a soft un athletic center in a D'antoni system that would be a mess. Also question his ability to score in the NBA.

            They could have tried to make a move up for one. I just feel this has as much do with who Shumpert's agent is much as it is about him doing better in workouts compared to his game tape.

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            • Originally posted by LTgiants View Post
              Vuceviic is a center not a 4.

              Vucevic is also soft and crappy on D. I don't think he is going to be a good pro player. He getting drafted at 16 is literally because this was a terrible draft for centers. He is not very athletic so imagine a soft un athletic center in a D'antoni system that would be a mess. Also question his ability to score in the NBA.

              They could have tried to make a move up for one. I just feel this has as much do with who Shumpert's agent is much as it is about him doing better in workouts compared to his game tape.
              Do you really like Jimmer that much though? I question if he has the athleticism to create his own shot or D up on the athletes you see in the backcourt in today's NBA.

              I can't imagine him running through a screen or pick in roll either.

              Fair points on Vuvecic. I'm curious to see how we develop Shumpert. Hahn is saying we are going to have him D up on the 2, and run pick and roll on offense. I don't know how believable that is, I guess we have to wait and see.

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              • Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                Do you really like Jimmer that much though? I question if he has the athleticism to create his own shot or D up on the athletes you see in the backcourt in today's NBA.

                I can't imagine him running through a screen or pick in roll either.

                Fair points on Vuvecic. I'm curious to see how we develop Shumpert. Hahn is saying we are going to have him D up on the 2, and run pick and roll on offense. I don't know how believable that is, I guess we have to wait and see.
                I was talking about Klay Thompson not Jimmer. I like Jimmer but not to trade up for.

                Again I dont dislike Shumpert. I think you could have went down a couple spots added a asset and still got Iman.

                I don't think he is a point guard I think he is strictly a 2 on offense. He can probably guard a few but idk if he can run a offense. Maybe over time but not right now.

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                • Originally posted by LTgiants View Post
                  I was talking about Klay Thompson not Jimmer. I like Jimmer but not to trade up for.

                  Again I dont dislike Shumpert. I think you could have went down a couple spots added a asset and still got Iman.

                  I don't think he is a point guard I think he is strictly a 2 on offense. He can probably guard a few but idk if he can run a offense. Maybe over time but not right now.
                  Yeah that's true. What can you tell us about our 2nd rounder, the C from Kentucky? Any potential there?

                  We need a Center by committee approach to work for us this year if we want to compete. What I can't stand is how our bench players are afraid to foul bc they don't want to get into foul trouble. Wtf, you're a bench player. Your job is to give us 5 hard fouls a night and make them earn it at the line.

                  I know that's a random rant, I'm just saying.

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                  • Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                    Yeah that's true. What can you tell us about our 2nd rounder, the C from Kentucky? Any potential there?

                    We need a Center by committee approach to work for us this year if we want to compete. What I can't stand is how our bench players are afraid to foul bc they don't want to get into foul trouble. Wtf, you're a bench player. Your job is to give us 5 hard fouls a night and make them earn it at the line.

                    I know that's a random rant, I'm just saying.
                    Harrellson is just a straight up goon. He can run pick and roll's and has a ok 10 ft jump shoot. That is basically it he is just a tough guy who will not have a problem using his 6 fouls.

                    This right here is probably his best highlight of his college career

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                    • Originally posted by LTgiants View Post
                      Harrellson is just a straight up goon. He can run pick and roll's and has a ok 10 ft jump shoot. That is basically it he is just a tough guy who will not have a problem using his 6 fouls.

                      This right here is probably his best highlight of his college career

                      That's what I like to hear. We need that too. If we can get 20 minutes a night out of this guy at the 5, that would help a ton. He doesn't look like a shot blocker to me though. But hey, beggers can't be choosers. I just want a guy who can give us 6 hard fouls a night.

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                      • Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                        That's what I like to hear. We need that too. If we can get 20 minutes a night out of this guy at the 5, that would help a ton. He doesn't look like a shot blocker to me though. But hey, beggers can't be choosers. I just want a guy who can give us 6 hard fouls a night.
                        Ya he is not going to be a huge shot blocker but he is tough so that's good.

                        If Jerome Jordan can show you anything you can have a solid center rotation between Turiaf Jordan and Harrellson.

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                        • Originally posted by LTgiants View Post
                          Ya he is not going to be a huge shot blocker but he is tough so that's good.

                          If Jerome Jordan can show you anything you can have a solid center rotation between Turiaf Jordan and Harrellson.
                          You don't think we'll keep Sheldon? I actually liked Sheldon at the 5 when he got the chance. He plays tough. His height is an issue, but he played bigger than his size.

                          I'm curious to see who we retain. I want us to keep Shaun Williams too, just for his corner 3s. Bad reason I know, but he was so money with them.

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                          • Originally posted by LTgiants View Post
                            Vucevic would have been a awful pick for us. I don't hate the pick I would just prefer to have somebody who is more of a knock down shooter. Shumpert is still developing his.
                            He's actually a pretty solid spot up shooter and a knock down free throw shooter. Problem is the kid had too create too much for GT and so shot a **** percentage since he's not nearly as good having to create space and pull up. I think he'll be our starting 2 at some point this season if he can just extend his range a little. I do really like the pick, let him just defend and work on his jumper as a rookie, if he excels start working on his point skills but otherwise I think we have our future 2, letting Fields come off of the bench where he won't have to guard as many quick 2s that blow past him and can play more SF.

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                            • Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                              You don't think we'll keep Sheldon? I actually liked Sheldon at the 5 when he got the chance. He plays tough. His height is an issue, but he played bigger than his size.

                              I'm curious to see who we retain. I want us to keep Shaun Williams too, just for his corner 3s. Bad reason I know, but he was so money with them.
                              I don't see us keeping anyone but Shawne Williams out of our fa crop.

                              I liked Sheldon but D'antoni barely gave him a chance.

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                              • Originally posted by Rosebud View Post
                                He's actually a pretty solid spot up shooter and a knock down free throw shooter. Problem is the kid had too create too much for GT and so shot a **** percentage since he's not nearly as good having to create space and pull up. I think he'll be our starting 2 at some point this season if he can just extend his range a little. I do really like the pick, let him just defend and work on his jumper as a rookie, if he excels start working on his point skills but otherwise I think we have our future 2, letting Fields come off of the bench where he won't have to guard as many quick 2s that blow past him and can play more SF.
                                I know about his situation in GT and how he was the main man. He still shoot a lot of fade away shoots when he could have just went straight up and took a regular J.

                                I didn't say he had a bad shoot I just said he needs to still work on it you can even go on youtube look at some of his interviews you will hear him say that he needs to work on it still. He has good form on his shot but he is not consistent with it despite his high FT percentage.

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