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actually, just wait, Steve Beauharnis, who will be a junior next year, is an ANIMAL. My favorite player on RU. He is a beast on the inside. So good. I'd cream if we waited and got him to be our future MIKE.
Lowery isn't bad, a good run stuffer, but that's really about it. I hope he gets drafted, but he probably won't.
Damn, we don't have too many LB'ers.
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BTW, if it's 3rd and 97... I'm throwing a screen pass to Brian Leonard and he will convert.
I honestly don't know why a lot of mocks have been giving us a DT in the first; I know that Cofield is probably gone, but Canty is decent, and I like the potential of Linval Joseph. I abolutely abhor the idea of Liuget in the first. The only DT worth the number 19 pick, if he is even there, is Paea I think he can be an excellent UT next to Linval who would be the NT obviously with Canty and Bernard providing rotational freshness.
On another note, does anyone like the idea of Kyle Rudolph in the 2nd? I know we don't use tight ends much, but is that because of Boss (the definition of mediocrity). I like Boss he is a hardworker, but I tink those big hits have got to him, and he is no longer the security blanket he once was for Eli. I feel like it is time we give Eli a weapon that makes safeties and linebackers fret. Rudolph has excellent speed and was dynamic with Clausen, I do not know how great his blocking is, I am guessing not great, but he does have the size (6'5 265) to improve in that aspect, and our coaches have already done the same thing with Boss with his blocking.
Furthermore, whose your favorite linebacker right now? It seems there are no viable options for us in round one right now, but there seems to be a plethora of options in the second, not to mention Casey Matthews in the 3rd. From Mason Foster (IMO the top 4-3 LB, excluding Von Miller), Bruce Carter (very athletic), Martez Wilson (don't know too much about him), Nate Irving (apparently the heart of the NC state defense), Kelvin Sheppard (who intrigues me, great size I wouldn't mind him), and Quan Sturvidant (another who I don't know too much about, but from the minimal tape I have watched didn't look to great in coverage). I think it would be extremely beneficial to us if we traded back, but I doubt Jerry does it.
1. Gabe Carimi OT Wisconsin
2. Kyle Rudolph TE Notre Dame
3. Casey Matthews LB Oregon
4. Ronald Johnson WR/KR USC
5. Brandon Fusco C Slippery Rock
6. Curtis Marsh CB Utah St.
7. John Clay RB Wisconsin
1. Well Carimi seems to be our consensus favorite OT, and I agree I see him as a potential LT and at worst an RT, he seems to fit the Giants' OL mold.
2. Kyle Rudolph gives the Giants that other dimension on offense, which I think is missing somewhat in part because of the coordinator but also in part because of the players we have there. We need someone to be a safety blanket for Eli as well, and Boss has contracted the dropsies.
3. Casey Matthews is our LB pick, I like his fire, and he is quite athletic, with an NFL weight room he can bulk up, and with NFL coaching his wild play can be straightened out. I feel he is being a bit overrated right now, but I think he is definitely worth a 3rd rounder.
4. We go back to USC for a WR, but this time more or less for his return abilities. Ronald Johnson is like Steve Smith lite, at first he would be utilized in the return game but if a contract can't be worked out with Smith we might be able to develop Johnson into a lesser version of Smith. Although, I doubt an obliteration of our WR corp. will happen twice in a row that episode during the season really showed we do need some depth behind our first 4 guys.
5. If you look at Reese's draft tendencies he seems to like smaller school guys in the later rounds, and Slippery Rock definitely qualifies. Fusco could be a developmental OG/C developing alongside Petrus. He has excellent size at 6'5 and 305 pounds.
6. Utah St. nets us another small school guy in Curtis Marsh. I have no idea why he is so underrated right now he has excellent size and speed, he is a perfect nickel guy with fluid hips, and might even potentially be a #1 or #2 guy. He is raw though, but thankfully he can wait a bit with Webster, Thomas, Ross, and even Bruce Johnson too.
7. I guess this last pick is depends on who Reese believes its more valuable, if thats Jacobs then it won't be Clay, but I feel Reese values Bradshaw more (though I could be wrong) so Clay is a big brusing RB like Jacobs, and could do a number of things just as a 7th round pick which is why I like Clay here. For instance, he can pressure Jacobs into performing harder, he can be a decent goalline option (32 TDs in 2 years, and for some reason Jacobs sucks in short yardage), and he can eventually be a cheap replacement for Mr. Jacobs should we choose to trade away his big mouth.
Fusco is an interesting prospect. We don't have a 5th though, traded it away for Rosencopter.
I'm not a huge Casey Matthews fan honestly. I need to see more of him, I like his energy, but let's not confuse him with Clay. He's probably one of the more overrated prospects bc of his bloodlines right now.
I do think however he has potential to be very good. You can't ignore that family tree at the end of the day, that family knows how to play football. And who knows, maybe he borrows some HGH from Clay and gets athletic.
Ah, forgot about the 5th, I don't think I'd change any other part of my mock though with or without Fusco although I do like him potentially in the 4th maybe O'Dowd is there too.
I definitely acknowledge that Clay is a bit overrated but I do think his value is that of a early/mid 3rd rounder, and thats exactly where we would select him. I like his ponential he might not be uber athletic like Clay but he's no generic lunch pail white guy either. He plays a little too aggressive sometimes and overpursues, but we're one of the better teams and developing talent I think if he can succeed anywhere in the NFL it could be with us. Besides, he technically can play any of the 3 LB spots; Boley being the only one who'd I consider above average and he can play either WILL or SAM. Since Clay is young we can mold him into whatever we feel he is best, and I am one who believes he can bulk up and play the middle.
I've been studying some of the prospects you guys talk about in here on Youtube(not the best way to get information, but the only way I can from Europe), and I was fortunate enough to get to see almost everything from the senior bowl on NFL network. Just wanted to chime in with my thoughts:
1. Von Miller is a BEAST! I would jizz all over the place if the Giants got him, but realistically, it's going to cost too much to trade up into the top 5-8 to get him. Jerry Reese always likes to stay put in the first round as well.
2. Of the OT's, I like Carimi and Tyron Smith the most. Carimi seems to be a pretty safe pick, because he would at worst be a very good RT. Tyron Smith is the closest thing to a Star LT prospect in this years class(I don't like Solder very much), but he probably will need some time to be ready. We already experienced that with Beatty, so I'd rather have Carimi given the choice between the two of them.
3. I think we should go hard after Mason Foster in round two. If he's still there in round two, then trade up with our 4th to get him. He looks,speaks and acts like a linebacker. We really need some leadership in our LB corps, because it doesn't seem like Goff has the leadership skills required to be the vocal LB leader. Don't get me wrong, i really liked Goffs performance this year, but he's not a "rah rah" guy. This is something I really value in my linebackers personally.
4. I think we should wait until the third round to get some depth at DT. Cofield will probably walk in FA, but we should get by with a rotation of Canty/Bernard/Joseph/FA or rookie on run downs. On passing downs, we probably will use one of our DE's as a DT, so we should be good there without using a high pick on a DT.
5. with our 6th or 7th round pick i would like to see a KR/PR specialist. Enough with the crappy Special teams. Get me a blazing fast returner who actually has some balance and vision. I know Hixon will be back this year, but he had a torn ACL, and who knows how well he'll be able to cut after that.
I think this would be an awesome draft class for us:
1.Gabe Carimi, OT
2.(trade up with 4th if necessary)Mason Foster, LB
3. Best available DT
6. Best available Return specialist
7. Project Interior lineman
Oh, and I almost forgot. If Ryan Kalil hits free agency, SIGN HIM!!!
With the potential DTs and linebackers available in the 2nd, I'm just really weary of spending a 2nd on a RB.
Especially with Murray's stock falling, I can see him available in the 3rd or even the 4th round right now. He's not even a top 5 RB in this class, and realistically, 5 RBs won't go in the first 2 rounds. So the chances of Murray in the 3rd are very realistic if we absolutely need a RB.
I wouldn't mind a RB or a DT in the draft, but I really think in the first three rounds we need to focus heavily on the O-line and LB as long we get some of those I'll be a happy camper.
However, no Mark Ingram in round one, I like him, but not for us as a 1st rounder. No RBs in round one please. Also, as I said before the only DT I'd take in round 1 is Paea, unless Fairley somehow falls (yeah that isn't happening).
The more I look into Fusco the more I think we should pick him up late to develop alongside Petrus as a Guard/Center. Furthermore, my Curtis Marsh man crush is growing, I think by draft time he could be a 3rd/4th rounder.
Where would you guys rank JPP amongst this years crop of DEs?
Thats an interesting question!
1a Quinn (AHEAD of JPP just cause he's technique wise and football experience wise ahead of JPP, however, both can play 3-4 olb and 4-3 DE and both have high high ceilings)