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    Im starting to think that he can work at SAM. Now think about this. We plan on using Kiwi as our DE/OLB hybrid SAM right? But he's not ready for the adjustment yet, so he'll probably be a 3rd down specialist until he's ready.

    In the meantime, we have Torbor as our 1st and 2nd down SAM. Is this really as bad as some of us are making it out to be? He's a decent SAM, not a PB guy, but he's ok. SAMs are usually JAGs anyway. When he played, he usually played decent. Also consider the scheme.

    He's been in a Cover 2 shell this whole time, which is clearly not his strong suit. Under Spagnuola, he'll be a pass rusher primarily, as the Eagles love rushing their OLBs most of the time.

    Now many have said that Torbor is probably suited to be used more as a rushbacker than a 4-3 SAM right? Wouldn't this new scheme essentially be dong that? He'll rush the passer most of the time, and cover the flats. Thats primarily the role of the SAM in this new scheme, if its the same scheme that Johnson employs. Torbor can do that. In fact, he might do that better than we expect.

    Im opening up to giving him a chance. This is his make or break year for me, but I wouldn't be surprised if he can have a breakout year. I think Reese sees it too. Thats why he's making the moves he's making. We sometimes underestimate how badly Lewis's scheme held our players back. Now, we will get to see who's who finally.

    Seriously, I don't think our LB core is as big of a problem as we make it out to be. Chase and Wilk can hold it down at WILL, we have a great MIKE, and SAM is a JAG position anyway. If we go into the season with these guys at LB, Im telling you, I don't think it will be as bad as we make it out to be. Thoughts?

  • #2
    I for one am not a Torbor fan at all... I wouldnt really like him to be starting.

    I think its essentail that we draft a Paul Poz who can immediately be a quality starter. Poz, Pierce and Wilkinson/Blackburn would be pretty good imo.

    Is it even confirmed that Kiwi is gonna be a hybrid SAM?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by GiantRutgersFan View Post
      I for one am not a Torbor fan at all... I wouldnt really like him to be starting.

      I think its essentail that we draft a Paul Poz who can immediately be a quality starter. Poz, Pierce and Wilkinson/Blackburn would be pretty good imo.

      Is it even confirmed that Kiwi is gonna be a hybrid SAM?
      I don't think Poz can be a SAM. Well, maybe he can. But SAM isn't a position I want to spend a round 1/2 pick on. Its really not that important of a position.

      Nowadays, SS coverage on the TE is more important than LB coverage. Youre better off drafting a SS who can cover TEs with a day 1 pick opposed to a day 1 SAM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
        I don't think Poz can be a SAM. Well, maybe he can. But SAM isn't a position I want to spend a round 1/2 pick on. Its really not that important of a position.

        Nowadays, SS coverage on the TE is more important than LB coverage. Youre better off drafting a SS who can cover TEs with a day 1 pick opposed to a day 1 SAM.
        I would have Poz at WILL. I think Blackburn could be a SAM. Wilkinson i am not so sure about, but Blackburn should be able to.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by GiantRutgersFan View Post
          I would have Poz at WILL. I think Blackburn could be a SAM. Wilkinson i am not so sure about, but Blackburn should be able to.
          Blackburn can play in space, but I doubt he can hold up in a man coverage assignment with the TE. He's too stiff, he lacks fluidity out there needed for coverage. He can't drop his hips. He's more of a zone coverage, flat coverage LB. So he's better at WILL.

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          • #6
            I wouldn't mind it at all if he was the starter. Then adding a WILL like Alexander in the 2nd, and then a body that can develop into a SAM later in the draft (I would think about taking Bradley if he dropped to the 3rd, but I was thinking more like Burgess in the 4th-5th)

            1st round should be top rated defensive back on the board, safety or cornerback.

            As I know it usually doesn't work like this, I think in the first 3 rounds we need to address DB, LB and WR in that order pref. and then on day 2, add another LB, a DT, O-Line help and then maybe another corner/wr

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            • #7
              Burgess is good for a 4-5 round pick, if we had the chance to solve our LB problems I think he'd be great. If we could get Earl Everette in the third, I think he could be SAM, and if we draft someone like Beason he could play SAM or WILL, either one of those would be a good pick up.
              1. Poz, Timmons, maybe Beason
              2. Beason, Alexander
              3. Durant, Black
              4. Black, Shaw
              5. Simpson, Burgess

              I wouldn't draft a LB after the 5th round

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              • #8
                It looks like he will get his shot to start, likely compete with a rookie in camp. I like the guy's attitude but he is very limited in terms of what he can do on the field and won't make many plays.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Number 10 View Post
                  It looks like he will get his shot to start, likely compete with a rookie in camp. I like the guy's attitude but he is very limited in terms of what he can do on the field and won't make many plays.
                  A non playmaking LB is exactly what we dont need. he can be in the mix though. Maybe he turns a corner this year.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by joepas171 View Post
                    A non playmaking LB is exactly what we dont need. he can be in the mix though. Maybe he turns a corner this year.
                    I agree but sadly, he is the best we have at SLB right now.
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                    Eli's opportunity to become a legend.
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                    • #11
                      Speaking of LB we worked out Keith Adams today

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                      • #12
                        Hopefully just for his special teams prowess and for depth because i dont want to see him starting for us.
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                        • #13
                          Ugh, the thought of Reggie Torbor starting for this team just sent a shiver down my spin.

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                          • #14
                            My thing is this...we don't know if he can or can't thrive in this new system. Considering this new system will use him primarily as a pass rusher, and a flat coverage LB, why can't he succeed? He was a DE, the pass rushing aspect should come naturally. And a 2 year old can cover the flats, so he should be ok in that area as well.

                            When he is in fact covering the TE, he'll be serviceable. Nothing great, but he'll be ok. He's good against the run, and with Strahan in front of him, we won't have to worry too much about that anyway.

                            I want to give him a fair shot before I write him off. I think he has potential to succeed in this scheme.

                            And remember, nowadays, 4-3 SAM is probably the most useless position on defense. You don't need a PB caliber player there, a JAG usually suffices. In a league of parity, you can't have it all. I rather address more important positions and have a JAG at SAM compared to having a talent at SAM and a JAG at CB for example.

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                            • #15
                              Yea i think Torbor gets an unfair rap sometimes, because he was never given a lasting oppurtunity to show what he can do. He is not going to be Merriman coming off the edge but he has shown to a player who is more than serviceable. Can we do better sure, but does our defense totally collapse because he is in there, no. If he ends up starting i wont cry about it
                              Orlovsky, Fincher - UConn football '05 Draft
                              Deon Anderson, FB - 6th Round 195th overall 07' Draft - Cowboys
                              2008 UConn draft picks - Tyvon Branch CB - 4th Round 100th overall - Raiders and Donald Thomas G - 6th round 195 overall - Dolphins
                              2009 UConn Draft picks? Darius Butler, CB, Cody Brown, DE, Will Beatty, OT
                              2007 Co-Big East Champs

                              Donald Brown 2008 D-1 rushing title

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