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  • any news on Ahmad, Smith, or Kiwi?

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    • Re-sign Bradshaw! Come on! Please! Do it! Do it!

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      • Is it too early to talk about FA?

        Anybody have any names in mind? I don't want us going after any FA LBs bc I dont want us stuck with another mediocre LB on contract for however many years.

        I wouldn't mind another DT for depth, some olinemen as well. I rather have DWill than Bradshaw at RB as well.

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        • OL depth. I think Williams will be too expensive but we'll see.
          #Chop


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          • As long as Tulloch and Poz don't have 1st round tenders I say we go after them.

            SPLOOSH

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            • Originally posted by OSUGiants17 View Post
              As long as Tulloch and Poz don't have 1st round tenders I say we go after them.
              hasn't poz been injured to end the season for 3 straight years?

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              • Here is my latest thinking on what I would like to see the Giants roster shape up.

                (Note I am expecting no salary cap this year with 4 years eligibility for UFA)

                Offense
                • QB: Eli Manning, Sage Rosenfels
                • RB: Brandon Jacobs, Michael Bush (Raiders), Danny Ware/ Da'Rel Scott
                • FB: Vonta Leach (Texans)
                • WR: Hakeem Nicks, Steve Smith, Mario Manningham, Ramsees Barden, Jerrell Jernigan, Domenik Hixon/ Victor Cruz/ Devin Thomas
                • TE: Kevin Boss, Travis Beckum, Bear Pascoe
                • LT: David Diehl, James Brewer
                • LG: Rich Seubert, Mitch Petrus
                • C: Shaun O'Hara, Adam Koets/ Tim Barnes (UDFA)
                • RG: Chris Snee, Kevin Boothe
                • RT: Kareem McKenzie, Will Beatty

                Defense
                • LDE: Justin Tuck, Matthias Kiwanuka
                • UT: Barry Cofield, Marvin Austin
                • NT: Chris Canty, Linval Joseph
                • RDE: Osi Umenyiora, Jason Pierre-Paul
                • SLB: Michael Boley, Clint Sintim/ Adrian Tracy
                • MLB: Jon Goff, Greg Jones
                • WLB: Thomas Howard (Raiders), Phillip Dillard/ Mark Herzlich (UDFA), Jacquian Williams
                • CB1: Corey Webster, Aaron Ross, Bruce Johnson/ Ryan Jones (UDFA)
                • CB2: Terrell Thomas, Prince Amukamara
                • SS: Kenny Phillips, Tyler Sash
                • FS: Antrell Rolle, Dashon Goldson (49ers), Jason Allen (Texans)/ Deunta Williams (UDFA)

                Special Teams
                • LS: Zak DeOssie
                • K: Lawrence Tynes
                • P: Matt Dodge


                Notes

                Shawn Andrews is worth $6.5m this year, this money can be reinvested to resign Cofield. This allows us to cut Bernard (using that money to keep Kiwanuka ie $2.95m + his $1.91m tender).

                Howard can play either OLB spot, he is faster and more athletic than Boley (who can also play both OLB spots). Both give us tremendous speed and athleticism outside. This gives Fewell an ideal pair of OLBs for his Tampa 2.

                Goff is a solid MLB, particularly on running downs. Howard and Boley are ideal LBs on passing downs and Sintim can be in the mix on running downs at SLB.
                Last edited by Big_Pete; 05-15-2011, 08:51 PM.

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                • So you are plans are

                  Letting Bradshaw go to replace him with Bush

                  Resigning Cofield

                  Picking up Herzleich from the UFL

                  Signing 3 Safeties and another CB

                  and finally adding nobody else to the Oline for depth

                  The only things I can say I like are Vonta Leach and Thomas Howard.

                  Edit:

                  also I doubt we are going to keep 8 Wr's that seems like a little much

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                  • Originally posted by LTgiants View Post
                    So you are plans are

                    Letting Bradshaw go to replace him with Bush

                    Resigning Cofield

                    Picking up Herzleich from the UFL

                    Signing 3 Safeties and another CB

                    and finally adding nobody else to the Oline for depth

                    The only things I can say I like are Vonta Leach and Thomas Howard.

                    Edit:

                    also I doubt we are going to keep 8 Wr's that seems like a little much
                    you missed the point of some of the depth positions, multiple players competing for one spot. Total of 6 WRs, 5 CB, 5 safeties.

                    Bush will be cheaper than Bradshaw and has better ball security

                    Unless we spring for a stud Oline, the options will not be much better than the guys we currently have. The key will be our guys getting healthy, which seems to be the case. We have good young guys developing who should improve. This group is actually still quite good.
                    Last edited by Big_Pete; 05-15-2011, 09:55 PM.

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                    • Originally posted by Big_Pete View Post
                      you missed the point of some of the depth positions, multiple players competing for one spot. Total of 6 WRs, 5 CB, 5 safeties

                      no matter
                      You listed 8 WR's. I get it you would cut 2 before the season starts I understood that but I think even still that is to many guys cause not all of them are going to get looks. 5 CB I didn't have much issue taking a chance on the UDFA CB.

                      Signing 3 safeties and adding Herzlich while pretty much ignoring O Line Depth all together was more of a issue with your roster idea then something like your Bradshaw-Bush swap.

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                      • Originally posted by LTgiants View Post
                        You listed 8 WR's. I get it you would cut 2 before the season starts I understood that but I think even still that is to many guys cause not all of them are going to get looks. 5 CB I didn't have much issue taking a chance on the UDFA CB.

                        Signing 3 safeties and adding Herzlich while pretty much ignoring O Line Depth all together was more of a issue with your roster idea then something like your Bradshaw-Bush swap.

                        I think he meant the '/'s as "ors" and the commas as "ands"

                        Right?

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                        • Originally posted by Damix View Post
                          I think he meant the '/'s as "ors" and the commas as "ands"

                          Right?
                          Maybe I guess that makes more sense

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                          • QB: Eli Manning, Sage Rosenfels, Jim Sorgi, Ryan Perriloux
                            RB: Ahmad Bradshaw, Brandon Jacobs, Danny Ware, Da'Rell Scott, Charles Scott, Darius Reynaud, Martel Mallet
                            FB: Madison Hedgecock
                            TE: Kevin Boss, Bear Pascoe, Travis Beckum, Jake Ballard
                            WR: Hakeem Nicks, Steve Smith, Mario Manningham, Domenik Hixon, Victor Cruz, Jerrel Jernigan, Ramses Barden, Devin Thomas, Derek Hagan, Mike Clayton, Duke Calhoun, Todd Watkins, Samuel Giguere

                            LT: Shawn Andrews, Will Beatty
                            LG: David Diehl, Rich Seubert, Mitch Petrus
                            C: Shaun O'Hara, Adam Koets, Jim Cordle
                            RG: Chris Snee,Kevin Boothe
                            RT: Kareem McKenzie, James Brewer, Jamon Meredith, Ikechuku Ndukwe

                            DE: Justin Tuck, Mathias Kiwanuka, Dave Tollefson, Alex Hall
                            UT: Barry Cofield, Marvin Austin, Rocky Bernard, Dwayne Hendricks
                            NT: Chris Canty, Linval Joseph
                            DE: Osi Umenyiora, Jason Pierre-Paul, Ayanga Okpokowuruk

                            SLB: Clint Sintim, Keith Bulluck, Jacquian Williams, Adrian Tracy, Zak DeOssie
                            MLB: Jonathan Goff (SLB), Chase Blackburn, Greg Jones, Phillip Dillard
                            WLB: Michael Boley, Gerris Wilkinson, Kenny Ingram

                            CB: Corey Webster, Terrell Thomas, Prince Amukamara, Aaron Ross, Bruce Johnson, Michael Coe, Brian Jackson, Cary Harris, Brian Witherspoon , Woodny Turrene
                            FS: Antrel Rolle, Michael Johnson, Joe Burnett
                            SS: Kenny Phillips, Deon Grant, Tyler Sash, Chad Jones

                            K: Lawrence Tynes
                            P: Matt Dodge

                            FA SIGNINGS:

                            Anthony Adams CHI
                            Ricky Williams MIA
                            Kamerion Wimbley OAK

                            Jake Kirkpatrick UFA (TCU)

                            Joe Lefeged UFA (Rutgers)

                            _yellow__= active players
                            __blue_= lost in free agency
                            _lime__= practice squad
                            _red__= cut
                            _sienna__= traded
                            _magenta__= injured reserve
                            Last edited by BaLLiN; 05-16-2011, 10:58 PM.

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                            • Wow. Looking at your lineup, the Giants have so much freakin talent.

                              I wish my favorite team's fourth corner was Aaron Ross. It just seems crazy to me that he is fourth on a depth chart.
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                              • Originally posted by HEISMANHERSCHEL View Post
                                Wow. Looking at your lineup, the Giants have so much freakin talent.

                                I wish my favorite team's fourth corner was Aaron Ross. It just seems crazy to me that he is fourth on a depth chart.
                                Talent was never an issue, coaching was, specifically defensive side of the ball..

                                DCs during the Coughlin era which started in 2004-2005 season, when Eli got drafted.


                                Tim Lewis DC OC Hufangel
                                Spags Gilbride
                                Sheridan
                                Fewell

                                If we can actually retain a DC who is good or stop hiring 1 year wonders, we may actually do some things. Oh, and I know injuries are part of the game, but can we stop having them ALL at one position?

                                Last year OL and WR.. Prior it was RB, and then before DE, CB and LB.

                                I understand a mix of injuries, but when a whole unit gets wiped out that's horrible luck, and it happens way too much for us. Factor in bad DC and our talent rarely gets maximized. The one time it did, we won a superbowl.

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