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  • #16
    Originally posted by Damix View Post
    Winston was a TE coming into college.
    But he's much more polished. Im sure theres lots of examples of TE converted to LT, but Im not a fan of guys who played only one year of Tackle coming into the draft.

    Thats what I shouldve said.

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    • #17
      i feel Marten's versatilty would benefit us heavily. We have snee at RG, one of the best in the league. Marten would help us alot. Plus, we like BC players(kiwi and snee!)
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      • #18
        Long term I have to go with Manny here.

        I still hold onto what I stated in August that Ramirez can turn into Larry Allen at the snap of a finger if he can pass block. I get the feel his feet are a little too slow even for DTs right now, but if I am underestimating him there you are talking about the best guard in the NFC East within 2 years, better than Snee. If he could do that, we wouldn't have to pay Snee a monster contract like I think he will demand after even though I'd be sad to see him go.

        Marten would be nice to have next year an in the coming years because he is more versatile and he could fill in at LT while Ramirez is strictly a guard I think.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Number 10 View Post
          Long term I have to go with Manny here.

          I still hold onto what I stated in August that Ramirez can turn into Larry Allen at the snap of a finger if he can pass block. I get the feel his feet are a little too slow even for DTs right now, but if I am underestimating him there you are talking about the best guard in the NFC East within 2 years, better than Snee. If he could do that, we wouldn't have to pay Snee a monster contract like I think he will demand after even though I'd be sad to see him go.

          Marten would be nice to have next year an in the coming years because he is more versatile and he could fill in at LT while Ramirez is strictly a guard I think.
          Ive been a huge Manny fan for a long long time now. Damn near since the College football season started. I remember chanting his name even when we didn't need an OG on our team.

          I think he can be a Shaun Andrews type of player. He's a mauler. Its so hard to evaluate him based on game tape because of the awkward style Texas Tech uses. Im surprised why he even went there. But the Senior Bowl solidified my belief in him. He was the only OG there that handled Okeye. That should say something about his pass blocking in a normal style offensive line.

          I think he'll be a steal. While Blaylock and Beekman are rated ahead of him, Id go as far as saying that Ramirez could be better than both of those guys, and maybe on the same level as Grubbs. Heck, he has potential to be the best OG of this group. To nab that in the 3rd would be a steal.

          The scary thing is, I think every single team on this board, has fans projecting their team taking Ramirez in the 3rd. So who knows what his true draft position really is.

          I wouldn't be surprised if we can keep him and Snee. We structure contracts pretty well, and Ramirez wouldn't be making much as a later round player. Plus, we're due for some cap space after guys like Strahan and Toomer retire.

          That would be a scary OG duo. I still would like an upgrade at Center though. Im not the biggest OHara fan. We resigned him more out of desperation than desire.

          Here's a scary thought though, since we're talking cap #s. If Plaxico Burress has a killer year and becomes a PBer....will he demand more money? His agent is Drew Rosenhaus afterall, and if you think about it, we got Plax for peanuts. That could be a potentially ugly situation.

          Hopefully Amani is the one who has the PB year and we won't have to worry about that :)
          Last edited by bigbluedefense; 04-16-2007, 04:39 PM.

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          • #20
            The only reason I worry about Snee leaving is this past offseason where mediocre guards were getting ridiculous, monstrous contracts. I mean, if the market were to dictate what Snee is going to get which is usually does, we're talking along the lines of $55-$60 million over 7 years with the cap increases. No way would I pay that to a guard, maybe not even Hutchinson.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Number 10 View Post
              The only reason I worry about Snee leaving is this past offseason where mediocre guards were getting ridiculous, monstrous contracts. I mean, if the market were to dictate what Snee is going to get which is usually does, we're talking along the lines of $55-$60 million over 7 years with the cap increases. No way would I pay that to a guard, maybe not even Hutchinson.
              Thats true. But I think the market will eventually balance itself out. OGs are making a ton of money right now, but I think it will eventually become relative to other contracts, and we'll see a gradual overall increase in player salary, but the percentages should become equal to what they are now.

              If we take a strict "build throught the draft/resign own players" philosophy from now on, we should be ok. I like that approach anyway.

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              • #22
                I think Manny is much better at pass blocking than he gets credit for. I was taking notes during the Senior Bowl practices and he was one of two or three Guards I noted that could "pass block effectively".

                He could start immediately for us at Left Guard and if as Number 10 suggests (which I agree with completely) that Snee wants big bucks that we don't want to shell out then we can easily plug him in at RG and he'll likely do an even better job than Snee.

                Hmm. How about this for a trade? The Dolphins trade up from the 60th overall pick to our 51st pick. In return they swap their 3rd round (#71) with our 3rd rounder (#81) and then they swap their 4th rounder (#108) with our 4th rounder (#116). Then we probably pick up both Manny Ramirez and James Marten. I would cry if that happened, despite the fact it's unlikely.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                  Thats true. But I think the market will eventually balance itself out. OGs are making a ton of money right now, but I think it will eventually become relative to other contracts, and we'll see a gradual overall increase in player salary, but the percentages should become equal to what they are now.

                  If we take a strict "build throught the draft/resign own players" philosophy from now on, we should be ok. I like that approach anyway.
                  plus i think Snee would want to stay. Ithink he's one of those guys who mite even take a pay cut to stay with us. Reese should try and lock him up long term this year(which i feel he may)
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                  BTW, if it's 3rd and 97... I'm throwing a screen pass to Brian Leonard and he will convert.

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                  • #24
                    If we do get Manny, that would most likely mean Snee would move to LG right?

                    I would like that more. Snee has the speed needed at LG, and Ramirez would be a better mauler at RG.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                      If we do get Manny, that would most likely mean Snee would move to LG right?

                      I would like that more. Snee has the speed needed at LG, and Ramirez would be a better mauler at RG.
                      LT- dieh LG snee- C Ohara- RG manny-RT kareem

                      I'd take that in a heartbeat!!!
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                      Originally posted by PalmerToCJ
                      BTW, if it's 3rd and 97... I'm throwing a screen pass to Brian Leonard and he will convert.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by scottyboy View Post
                        LT- dieh LG snee- C Ohara- RG manny-RT kareem

                        I'd take that in a heartbeat!!!
                        The only weak link on that unit from a run blocking perspective is OHara. But Id take it for now.

                        I still want to address Center in next year's draft.

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                        • #27
                          why not this year with Darnell Stapleton?(wow ima homer)

                          but in all seriousness, Darnell has a nasty streak in him and is a strong mauler. Needs to learn moer though, something i think sitting a year behind O'hara would benefit him
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                          Originally posted by PalmerToCJ
                          BTW, if it's 3rd and 97... I'm throwing a screen pass to Brian Leonard and he will convert.

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                          • #28
                            If Kyle Young goes undrafted, do we pick him up and try to turn him into what Seubert was for us last year?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Damix View Post
                              If Kyle Young goes undrafted, do we pick him up and try to turn him into what Seubert was for us last year?
                              Depends if we get a OG in the draft.

                              If we don't, he could be a viable undrafted option. He can play OG if necessary, but he's very slow, so I don't expect big things out of him.

                              I hope he does in fact go undrafted.

                              Id scoop him up, and for a year condition him into 320ish, and hope he can become a backup C to OHara. Maybe even replace him (wishful thinking).

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