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  • Originally posted by BroadwayJoe10 View Post
    I think this might be proven to be incorrect. Holmes weighed in at 5'10.5" and 188 lbs at the combine and Maclin is reportedly a sure 6' and closer to 6'1" and about 200 lbs. That was why I am in love with Maclin; he has the same speed, agility etc. as all the smaller receivers, but is much bigger. I just feel that Maclin is going to be long gone by the time we're picking.
    Yeah I know weight-wise Maclin is a little bigger, but he just physically looks considerably lankier. Holmes seems to be able to take a hit, bounce off tackles some, and just looks a little better put together. Maclin should be able to have success and I really like him as well, I just think he's not quite as tightly wound or strong as Holmes. He's still got time to grow, though.

    As for him falling it seems possible based on mocks, really depends on the directions teams go in. He could realistically slip to the range where we could pick him up in a trade-up not too far or something. Otherwise the one thing I think could really help him in slipping is if Harvin blows up and moves ahead of him.

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    • Either something is very deceiving about them or Nicks happens to be taller than his listed height and DHB shorter, but I'd say Nicks and DHB look the same height and Maclin a bit shorter. It's funny about Maclin because I was looking over some stuff and he's eerily similar to Ginn. He of course had more production, but he also didn't operate in a pro-style offense.

      I wouldn't think Maclin is actually his listed height and weight unless, like I said, his height is deceiving, and he happens to be ripped or something. I guess we'll see though. It's a great thing this year because probably the only WR that won't be competing at the combine should be Crabtree, and if that's the case we'll really be able to better determine who should be floating into our range and who we'd probably rather have.
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      • Originally posted by thetedginnshow View Post
        Either something is very deceiving about them or Nicks happens to be taller than his listed height and DHB shorter, but I'd say Nicks and DHB look the same height and Maclin a bit shorter. It's funny about Maclin because I was looking over some stuff and he's eerily similar to Ginn. He of course had more production, but he also didn't operate in a pro-style offense.

        I wouldn't think Maclin is actually his listed height and weight unless, like I said, his height is deceiving, and he happens to be ripped or something. I guess we'll see though. It's a great thing this year because probably the only WR that won't be competing at the combine should be Crabtree, and if that's the case we'll really be able to better determine who should be floating into our range and who we'd probably rather have.
        ginn and holmes are built more similarly height and weight wise, nd maclins a little bigger in both areas
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        • For WR's let's have a hypothetical situation. Maclin is off the board at 17, and Kenny Britt runs a sub-4.5 forty, maybe around 4.45 at the combine. Now that's not burner time, but Britt has the height, leaping ability, and quickness to be able to make plays downfield. He also has the size our offense doesn't have, is big and strong, can block, runs well after the catch, and can be a successful "cold weather" WR in our all-weather offense. Now he's no Jeremy Maclin stretching the field and he's not quite Michael Crabtree strong, not as squatty as Nicks either, but perhaps he's the best of both worlds?

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          • Originally posted by derza222 View Post
            For WR's let's have a hypothetical situation. Maclin is off the board at 17, and Kenny Britt runs a sub-4.5 forty, maybe around 4.45 at the combine. Now that's not burner time, but Britt has the height, leaping ability, and quickness to be able to make plays downfield. He also has the size our offense doesn't have, is big and strong, can block, runs well after the catch, and can be a successful "cold weather" WR in our all-weather offense. Now he's no Jeremy Maclin stretching the field and he's not quite Michael Crabtree strong, not as squatty as Nicks either, but perhaps he's the best of both worlds?
            That would be very interesting, because a 4.45 is a fantastic time for someone his size. ex.) Andre Johnson, 6'2" 225 lbs and ran a 4.43.

            Definitely something to think about.

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            • Originally posted by BroadwayJoe10 View Post
              That would be very interesting, because a 4.45 is a fantastic time for someone his size. ex.) Andre Johnson, 6'2" 225 lbs and ran a 4.43.

              Definitely something to think about.
              IIRC, Andre Johnson ran a 4.32, but regardless, if Kenny Britt did run a 4.45, I'd definitely warm up to the idea of the Jets drafting him. Does anyone have a comparison of his combine 40 to guys like Plaxico or Vincent Jackson? I looked on Sports illustrated, but I'm not so sure they're especially accurate.

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              • Honestly, Britt would be a perfect receiver if I didn't have the character concerns. I'd like to get the chance to see him in a couple interviews and see what comes up about him as the draft nears though first.
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                • Hmm its definitly intresting. At 6-4 215 Britt would catch my eye if he ran a 4.45. But no matter any situation I think were going to go D with our 1st rounder. Its exciting though not knowing who we could end up with when its all said and done.

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                  • Originally posted by thetedginnshow View Post
                    Honestly, Britt would be a perfect receiver if I didn't have the character concerns. I'd like to get the chance to see him in a couple interviews and see what comes up about him as the draft nears though first.
                    I'm still not sold on the character concerns. He got suspended for one game, but doesn't talk off the field and plays hard on it. It's not like we're talking about a Chris Henry/Pacman Jones guy, and we're also not talking about somebody that talks in the media or dogs it on the field. I'm from Jersey and as we're coming up to the draft this is the first I've ever heard about any concerns.

                    I'd ask Josh. While he is a massive Rutgers homer he'll tell it like it is, and I'm pretty sure he'll just say this is much ado about nothing.

                    Anyways, thought it was an interesting hypothetical.

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                    • Originally posted by Crickett View Post
                      IIRC, Andre Johnson ran a 4.32, but regardless, if Kenny Britt did run a 4.45, I'd definitely warm up to the idea of the Jets drafting him. Does anyone have a comparison of his combine 40 to guys like Plaxico or Vincent Jackson? I looked on Sports illustrated, but I'm not so sure they're especially accurate.
                      See, I thought Andre ran a time in the 4.3's as well, but when i checked his combine results on draft scout and than sports illustrated ( http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...yers/1211.html ). I'm not sure which is correct, maybe neither, becuase he certainly looks faster.

                      I usually go back draft scout because they have results directly from the combine and proday, possibly Andre was hurt during his???

                      Plax didn't run at the combine in indy, but an article i just read said he ran a 4.55 when he weighed in at 6'5.5" 231 lbs. So that's pretty impressive

                      Vincent Jackson measured in at 6'4.5" and 241 and ran a 4.46, which is pretty darn impressive.

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                      • To save time and have an easy to read format, I'll make a list.
                        1.Keny Britt is fast. Not only is he naturally fast, I think he has been training at a camp in Arizona pretty much since the season ended. Furthermore, I think Kenny could surprise a lot of people with his speed at the combine. I(and other Rutgers fans) will be disappointed with anything over a 4.45 for him.
                        2.The character concerns are ridiculous. He got suspended for one game for smoking. I know it wasn't a smart thing to do, especially when the team was sliding, but we need to be realistic. There are tons of players on every team in the nation that smoke, he just happened to get caught. One little mistake is not enough to be considered a character concern.
                        3.Even if some make think he is a bit full of himself, he isn't a soft prima dona on the field. He loves contact on blocks and he gives full effort all the time. Even when Teel was under throwing the ball and leaving his receivers open for big hits, Britt was still going over the middle and making plays.
                        4. Obviously Im biased, but if Britt runs in the range I think he could, he is the best value at 17. His combo of remarkable tools and production is better than any other wr at the spot. DHB is a freak, but didn't produce on an elite level. Maclin produced, but just doesn't have the combo of size and speed to be the absolute elite top 5 reciever in the league. Harvin is an explosive player and he may end up being remarkably productive, but he isn't a prototypical #1. We need a guy that can do it all.

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                        • I like Maclin at 17 because he's fast and offers a ton after the catch. Seems like he can take a hit and nice hands. Britt though I think has become my favorite outside of him in that range.

                          He would add so much to our offense that we don't have. Size, leaping ability, big-play ability, deep threat. He's more polished than DHB if not a bit slower, and has better deep ability than Nicks. I won't even bring up Harvin because he's too much like Leon except a little more WR than RB instead of a little more RB than WR.

                          Plenty of dudes last year admitted to smoking weed and it wasn't an issue for teams, I'm sure if Britt is honest about it and admits he made a mistake that he learned from it'll be a non-issue.

                          Just need him to run well, not well enough that he might get drafted ahead of us but well enough that he moves up into our range, and we'll be set. I think he'd be a very good pick.

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                          • Originally posted by josh07039 View Post
                            To save time and have an easy to read format, I'll make a list.
                            1.Keny Britt is fast. Not only is he naturally fast, I think he has been training at a camp in Arizona pretty much since the season ended. Furthermore, I think Kenny could surprise a lot of people with his speed at the combine. I(and other Rutgers fans) will be disappointed with anything over a 4.45 for him.
                            2.The character concerns are ridiculous. He got suspended for one game for smoking. I know it wasn't a smart thing to do, especially when the team was sliding, but we need to be realistic. There are tons of players on every team in the nation that smoke, he just happened to get caught. One little mistake is not enough to be considered a character concern.
                            3.Even if some make think he is a bit full of himself, he isn't a soft prima dona on the field. He loves contact on blocks and he gives full effort all the time. Even when Teel was under throwing the ball and leaving his receivers open for big hits, Britt was still going over the middle and making plays.
                            4. Obviously Im biased, but if Britt runs in the range I think he could, he is the best value at 17. His combo of remarkable tools and production is better than any other wr at the spot. DHB is a freak, but didn't produce on an elite level. Maclin produced, but just doesn't have the combo of size and speed to be the absolute elite top 5 reciever in the league. Harvin is an explosive player and he may end up being remarkably productive, but he isn't a prototypical #1. We need a guy that can do it all.
                            Wait. Are you saying then that you think Britt can be a top five receiver? That to me seems pretty ridiculous.

                            But I don't think the smoking issue is the big deal, and while I like to see some physicality on the field, I'm more concerned about locker room cohesiveness.
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                            • Originally posted by thetedginnshow View Post
                              Wait. Are you saying then that you think Britt can be a top five receiver? That to me seems pretty ridiculous.

                              But I don't think the smoking issue is the big deal, and while I like to see some physicality on the field, I'm more concerned about locker room cohesiveness.
                              Have you seen anything to suggest he'd be a locker room problem? Just because I never have so I'd be interested to see it. I'm just not sure where all of these character issues are coming from.

                              And I'm not sure about top 5 but with everything I've seen Britt do taken into account I do think it's not unreasonable to say he could end up being the top wideout in this class. Not saying he absolutely will be but I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he ended up doing so. He's got a ton of talent.

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                              • Originally posted by derza222 View Post
                                Have you seen anything to suggest he'd be a locker room problem? Just because I never have so I'd be interested to see it. I'm just not sure where all of these character issues are coming from.

                                And I'm not sure about top 5 but with everything I've seen Britt do taken into account I do think it's not unreasonable to say he could end up being the top wideout in this class. Not saying he absolutely will be but I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he ended up doing so. He's got a ton of talent.
                                Oh no, that's why I said I'd like to see more of him in the coming months. I don't think it's very reliable to read previously published stories about him or rely on Rutgers fans for knowledge on the issue, so I'd just like to wait until everything's dug up. But all I was saying that with any player, I'd care about locker room chemistry more than most things. Granted, if there are any red flags in that area in the first place, we don't have to worry because we won't be drafting that person.
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