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  • Originally posted by nyjets5125 View Post
    i agree there, but maybe DRC over mckelvin? or am i just jumping on the DRC bandwagon?

    i think DRC and revis would be nasty together, revis has the coverage skills, DRC has the ball skills and potential to take it back the other way on every play...i mentioned much earlier that i would love that and see it as the chargers CBs are now, revis woudl do what jammer does, and DRC would do what his cousin does...thats a pretty scary secondary putting revis and DRC with rhodes back there
    I like DRC but McKelvin seems like a much safer guy to have in there to me. I think the only areas DRC has him in are ball skills and speed. McKelvin can stick with guys in coverage and has added value as a return guy, and although we have nice kick returners our punt return game could use a shot in the arm. I know DRC has had a tremendous offseason but at the same time taking a guy that didn't seem to dominate even at the 1-AA level is frightening for me, especially at the 6 slot. I do agree a guy with nice ball skills across from Revis is nice but I think McKelvin is a safer pick and just would add some nice things to our team. This pick is one we really can't afford to miss on IMO.

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    • I keep on reading TONS of rumors about Glenn Dorsey going #2 Overall. Now personally, id crap my pants if this were to happen, and I WOULDN'T trade down.

      If Dorsey is selected at #2, one of the two DE/OLBs should be available. At #1, I seriously see parcells taking Jake Long. He is proven to be one of the best prospects in this draft. Also, Miami is lacking an offensive line which becomes a bigger need then an OLB for Parcells. I still wouldn't be shocked or confused if Chris Long or Vernon were selected here, but I feel as if they will select Jake Long and then any of the QB prospects that fall down to the second round.

      At #2 is Dorsey, and I won't give an analysis on this pick because I stated that St. Louis are believed to want him.

      At #3 is Atlanta and they will select Matt Ryan. They need a pocket passer and need a QB that can spread the field. This is the one definate pick in the draft that I see going down if a player is there. Matt Ryan is goin to be the signal caller in Atlanta.

      At #4 is where we get tough. We know Al Davis and how he loves Physical Phenoms. This leads me to believe Gholston or Run DMC would be selected here but don't count out Chris Long again. All of these guys can help Oakland no matter where they play. I feel becuase of the abilities of Chris Long and his blood lines Al would be forced to draft him, but as stated before, both Gholston and Run DMC are more machines then human and he just loves Physical Specimens so, any of these three go here.

      At #5 is going to be some type of Offensive Lineman. Whether its Otah or Clady, one of them are going to go here, and if Matt Ryan makes it to this pick, Herman will jump all over him like there is no tomorrow.

      This puts us at 6. With one of the three here, Gholston, Chris Long, or McFadden. Yea, im a bit terrified that New England is going to get whoever we don't. Chris Long is the pick I want. He fits in perfectly and has those Tanginiables that I speak of. Gholston can also be a great fit here because he is just a natural freak and the same is spoken for McFadden. So seriously, if this turns out being how it's going to be, we shouldn't trade down.


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      • Originally posted by Young Nasty Man View Post
        I keep on reading TONS of rumors about Glenn Dorsey going #2 Overall. Now personally, id crap my pants if this were to happen, and I WOULDN'T trade down.

        If Dorsey is selected at #2, one of the two DE/OLBs should be available. At #1, I seriously see parcells taking Jake Long. He is proven to be one of the best prospects in this draft. Also, Miami is lacking an offensive line which becomes a bigger need then an OLB for Parcells. I still wouldn't be shocked or confused if Chris Long or Vernon were selected here, but I feel as if they will select Jake Long and then any of the QB prospects that fall down to the second round.

        At #2 is Dorsey, and I won't give an analysis on this pick because I stated that St. Louis are believed to want him.

        At #3 is Atlanta and they will select Matt Ryan. They need a pocket passer and need a QB that can spread the field. This is the one definate pick in the draft that I see going down if a player is there. Matt Ryan is goin to be the signal caller in Atlanta.

        At #4 is where we get tough. We know Al Davis and how he loves Physical Phenoms. This leads me to believe Gholston or Run DMC would be selected here but don't count out Chris Long again. All of these guys can help Oakland no matter where they play. I feel becuase of the abilities of Chris Long and his blood lines Al would be forced to draft him, but as stated before, both Gholston and Run DMC are more machines then human and he just loves Physical Specimens so, any of these three go here.

        At #5 is going to be some type of Offensive Lineman. Whether its Otah or Clady, one of them are going to go here, and if Matt Ryan makes it to this pick, Herman will jump all over him like there is no tomorrow.

        This puts us at 6. With one of the three here, Gholston, Chris Long, or McFadden. Yea, im a bit terrified that New England is going to get whoever we don't. Chris Long is the pick I want. He fits in perfectly and has those Tanginiables that I speak of. Gholston can also be a great fit here because he is just a natural freak and the same is spoken for McFadden. So seriously, if this turns out being how it's going to be, we shouldn't trade down.
        never thought there would be a scenario that Jake Long & Gholston would both be there...but I LIKE IT. I would take Gholston at that point but would not be disapointed with Jake either.
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        • i hope you mean chris...


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          • He's got Jake Long going #1 in that mock, so it's either Chris Long/Gholston available at 6 depending on who Oakland takes. Possibly both if they go after DMC. It's definitely a nice mock, but I do see Chris Long going #1 and think Atlanta and Oakland are big time wild cards. If the Rams go Dorsey as you say I wouldn't be shocked to see a scenario like:

            Miami - Chris Long
            St. Louis - Dorsey
            Atlanta - Jake Long
            Oakland - Gholston
            KC - Otah/Clady

            Which leaves us to choose between DMC and Matt Ryan. I think there will be somebody that we like at 6, I'm just not sure what the FO is thinking.



            Also, rumors are flying about what we're targeting at 36. QB, WR, CB, ILB, so that should be a really interesting pick I think we're going to get a great player at that spot. Looks like we're considering QB in this draft, at least doing our homework which shows that we're unsure about the QB situation. Supposedly Penny WILL be with the team in '08 and also Tangini will be back in '09 regardless of what happens this season. I think keeping Tangini around is a good move, it'd be great to get some continuity in here I think that really really helps teams out a lot.

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            • I heard the same exact thing. About the second round. Part of me is wanting Miami not to draft Chris Long and the other part is me wanting us to trade up so ill see.

              I wouldn't mind Curtis Lofton, James Hardy, Joe Flacco, or a corner dropping in the second. So Im liking this as a possible draft.

              1. Chris Long :)
              2. James Hardy
              3. Cason


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              • Originally posted by nyjets5125 View Post
                i said i woudlnt target him as one of my top choices at WR but i definitely wouldnt mind him in round 2 if value isnt there at other positions that we need...hes quick enough to be a slot reciever now and can make some big plays which we are lacking...and then i think that he can be a solid #2 in the NFL and has a shot at a #1 as he progresses...the only problem woudl be if he maxes out at a #2 and we have 2 #2s and no true #1
                I wouldn't mind a WR in the second round, but for the reasons I have already mentioned, I really don't want the Jets to draft him. He's one of those people I have rated way lower than anyone else.

                As for drafting a cornerback. I'm warning to the idea that if Gholston and McFadden are gone, thats the direction the Jets should go. Its a lesser need and probably a reach, but when you think about it,

                Its a bigger need than yet another QB to develop
                #2 corner is probably a bigger need than #3 WR and I'd say a better value too
                Glenn Dorsey and Sedrick Ellis really don't fit the 3-4
                Like Dorsey and Ellis, Keith Rivers would be great if the Jets ran a 4-3, but they don't.

                I'm not going to try to say which one the Jets should draft because if I have learned anything about the last three drafts, its that I suck at evaluating defensive backs.

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                • I definitely think that cornerback is a solid direction for us to go in. Ideally a trade down would be nice, but it seems like if we stand pat at 6 McKelvin is pretty much universally viewed as the drafts top CB and he's not a bad fit. The other guy that's up there Rodgers-Cromartie, and while there's no denying his talent and bloodlines drating a 1-AA corner at number six overall is just frightening. Beyond that, McKelvin brings some added value as a return guy (unless I'm completely wrong our punt returners haven't been all that fantastic). I don't think his ball skills (mostly hands) are that great and he's not going to pick off a ton of passes but he's a solid cover guy and probably the best option if we're stuck at 6. I certainly think he's safer than DRC at 6. Less upside, but less downside too. Maybe I'm just completely wrong I'm no expert either but that's the way I see it.

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                  • Originally posted by derza222 View Post
                    I definitely think that cornerback is a solid direction for us to go in. Ideally a trade down would be nice, but it seems like if we stand pat at 6 McKelvin is pretty much universally viewed as the drafts top CB and he's not a bad fit. The other guy that's up there Rodgers-Cromartie, and while there's no denying his talent and bloodlines drating a 1-AA corner at number six overall is just frightening. Beyond that, McKelvin brings some added value as a return guy (unless I'm completely wrong our punt returners haven't been all that fantastic). I don't think his ball skills (mostly hands) are that great and he's not going to pick off a ton of passes but he's a solid cover guy and probably the best option if we're stuck at 6. I certainly think he's safer than DRC at 6. Less upside, but less downside too. Maybe I'm just completely wrong I'm no expert either but that's the way I see it.
                    We'll be to cornerbacks wthat the Lions are to WR...LOL
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                    • Originally posted by jmess15 View Post
                      We'll be to cornerbacks wthat the Lions are to WR...LOL
                      Only if the Jets draft a corner in the first AND he doesn't work out. And even then, thats a bit of a stretch because while Justin Miller hasn't been all that was advertized, he isn't completely useless a la Charles Rogers. And Miller was a second round pick, not a second overall pick.

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                      • Originally posted by Crickett View Post
                        Only if the Jets draft a corner in the first AND he doesn't work out. And even then, thats a bit of a stretch because while Justin Miller hasn't been all that was advertized, he isn't completely useless a la Charles Rogers. And Miller was a second round pick, not a second overall pick.
                        Miller was a 2nd round pick the year they didnt have a 1st (him & nugent went in rd 2). My point is year after year we invest either a high pick or sign a marque player in free agency and we still havent fixed the issue. Just like the Lions drafting all those receivers with their top picks, as well as signing guys like Hakim & Scroeder to big deals.

                        I am not sold on Pace yet, so IMO we need a pass rusher and a Wide Receiver with size more than we need a CB.
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                        • Originally posted by jmess15 View Post
                          Miller was a 2nd round pick the year they didnt have a 1st (him & nugent went in rd 2). My point is year after year we invest either a high pick or sign a marque player in free agency and we still havent fixed the issue. Just like the Lions drafting all those receivers with their top picks, as well as signing guys like Hakim & Scroeder to big deals.

                          I am not sold on Pace yet, so IMO we need a pass rusher and a Wide Receiver with size more than we need a CB.
                          There's a couple of things I'd keep in mind.

                          1. We really haven't invested a ton of FA money into corners, and you need more talented corners especially to match up with teams that spread the field than you need talented wideouts. Miller was taken in '05, Revis in '07, and if we take somebody in the first two rounds this year that will be three guys taken in the first two rounds in four years. Not that bad. The Bengals went corner in back to back first rounds, and they STILL need more depth. You can't have enough corners, especially when you're playing teams like the Pats twice a year.

                          2. This was in a scenario where Gholston is gone already and we can't trade down. Are you going to reach for a pass rusher or a big wideout at 6? What position would you rather go after there?

                          3. You and I aren't running the team. Obviously Tangini like Pace's potential as a pass rusher (a coverage and run stuffing LB isn't worth 42 million over 6 years) so whether you're sold or not it may not be a priority for us, we don't know. I'm sure we'll get a LB in some way this year, but just because you think it's a need because you're not sold on Pace doesn't mean the FO is going to feel the same way. I'm not sold on Pace either (I have no idea whether or not he's going to pan out I haven't seen much of him and I don't have access to the same kind of stuff they do) but realistically neither you nor I knows that the FO feels we need a pass rusher and it's probably a coin flip as to whether or not they do.

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                          • Since it doesnt look like your division is scary with WRs anymore, a CB in the first isnt really needed IMO. And since there really isnt a sure DE in the 3-4 worth #6, i think a trade down would make alot of sense. Although im not a real big fan of Merling, I think that he would be a good pick in the mid 1st for you. I know that its really hard to say that Dallas would do this, but trading two firsts, and a future 1st would be good for #6.

                            #22 Phillip Merling
                            #28 Branden Albert
                            #36 James Hardy
                            #68 Ahytba Rubin
                            #98 Jack Ikegwuonu

                            Its very possible, would be a nice class for you guys, and If the DRob deal goes through with Denver you will have a nice corner (at least nickel).

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                            • Also with all the FA spending you have been doing, trading down and paying less guaranteed and most likely overall less money for two 1st rounders as oppose to investing the franchise in one.

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                              • Any Jet fan care to weigh in on how Dewayne Robertson would function playing the nose is a 4-3?

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