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  • Originally posted by BroadwayJoe10 View Post
    There's a big reason keller was selected above all of the WRs..he's better than them. If the WRs on the board were so good, they wouldn't have fallen so far down the draft board considering a lot of teams need a WR. It wasn't just our draft chart that didn't have them ranked as 1st rounders, but apparantly everyones. There were a lot of rumors and talks about the giants selecting keller; which means, a team that is very good at scouting talent was going to select a TE to replace the soon to be traded shockey.
    1. Please tell me you didn't just argue that if they were good, they wouldn't have fallen. Not when so many great players who provide immediate an impact fall year after year after year after year. Hell, thats all they talked about in the ads for the draft. Well, that and the fate of a franchise being on a 4 by 6 card.

    2. I would love a link to this, because I haven't heard any talk regarding the Giants drafting a TE. In fact, all of the talk about Shockey being traded was because Kevin Boss did so well in his stead.

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    • BTw, I give the Jets credit. After signing Bubba Franks, I didn't think they'd, well, have the guts to pull the trigger on a TE move. I thought they'd try to address a "need". But, for how Schottenheimer and Mangini want to run that offense, for giving Kellen Clemens a shot, this was a great move. Essentially, he'll be your Ben Watson, although the offenses aren't exactly the same. They needed someone to attack and stretch the seams. It could've come vertically with another WR, but having a guy attack the seams gives an aging Coles more room and gives Cotchery a bit more space.

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      • [QUOTE=toonsterwu;1041230]BTw, I give the Jets credit. After signing Bubba Franks, I didn't think they'd, well, have the guts to pull the trigger on a TE move. I thought they'd try to address a "need". But, for how Schottenheimer and Mangini want to run that offense, for giving Kellen Clemens a shot, this was a great move. Essentially, he'll be your Ben Watson, although the offenses aren't exactly the same. They needed someone to attack and stretch the seams. It could've come vertically with another WR, but having a guy attack the seams gives an aging Coles more room and gives Cotchery a bit more space.[/QUOTE

        i am still convinced that the last good TE the jets had is mickey shuler..aside from that, you made the best point- giving an AGING COLES more room...we could have done that by drafting a WR. coles is running out of gas, and cotchery is def. not a #1. who else do the jets have, stuckey? come on. and limas sweed IMO was pretty much everything you need to play the position -YAC, some speed, strong, tall..everyone keeps saying "oh, their talent level isnt there yet"- not every WR is going to come out as the next chad or owens or rice. the jets could have just stayed at their spot in the 2nd round or, like it turned out yesterday, you could have traded your pick for a mid-2nd rounder and got a little something in return..jackson and sweed were picked in the 40s. or take a CB with Flowers..the kid is a stud and tackles like a beast..what would you rather have- a TE who may have a slight chance of making an impact, or another potential shut down corner?
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        • let me ask you this, why did all those recievers fall so deep? They were all hyped up to be first round value and they aren't. Yea, I don't disagree it was a reach. But, if you look at where Schottenheimer came from, its about having a TE that can catch and handle the ball. Im not comparing Dustin Keller to Antonio Gates but I think this kid could move with the ball well. Don't count the move out so fast. And I dont know if you could have done that with a reciever. Clearly Mangini and Tanenbaum didn't really feel any of the WR were worth trading up. Have faith in yor management.


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          • Originally posted by Young Nasty Man View Post
            let me ask you this, why did all those recievers fall so deep? They were all hyped up to be first round value and they aren't. Yea, I don't disagree it was a reach. But, if you look at where Schottenheimer came from, its about having a TE that can catch and handle the ball. Im not comparing Dustin Keller to Antonio Gates but I think this kid could move with the ball well. Don't count the move out so fast. And I dont know if you could have done that with a reciever. Clearly Mangini and Tanenbaum didn't really feel any of the WR were worth trading up. Have faith in yor management.

            I dont think anyone is saying keller isnt a bad player and wont fit in, mosr of us thought we had bigger needs ala Wideout. I guess I cant get past them trading up to get a TE...BUT ofcourse he may turn out to be better than all of the WR in the draft..We can only wait and see.
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            • well we just made a trade and now got dwight lowrey and a 5th round pick.....To be honest i have never heard of this guy. Does anyone know something about him. Scott says he has gr8 ball skills and i can see that he had 9 picks in 06 and 4 last year. Not bad..He might be a good player on our team
              Last edited by GET LOOSE; 04-27-2008, 12:41 PM.

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              • Originally posted by jmess15 View Post
                I dont think anyone is saying keller isnt a bad player and wont fit in, mosr of us thought we had bigger needs ala Wideout. I guess I cant get past them trading up to get a TE...BUT ofcourse he may turn out to be better than all of the WR in the draft..We can only wait and see.
                i feel the same way..if he turns out to be the next gates, then fine, i was wrong. being a jets fan forever, that is not our luck. historically, the jets have picked a bunch of nobodys grouped in with a few big names like keyshawn, vilma, moss..i doubt the giants were going to draft a TE when they were eying phillips from day 1 at safety. and they just picked manningham...so now you will have plax, manningham, sinorice moss, steve smith..if they are all healthy together, that will be a great crew..um, who do the jets have again? crybaby coles, cotchery, and the invisible man. yeah, we don't need a WR..
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                • The Jets review hours and hours of tapes of these guys, interview them, see them with their own eyes, and all you guys do is read Scott Wright's little blurbs about them. Yea, you guys definitely know what you're talking about.

                  Obviously, the Jets traded up because they thought highly of this guy. They traded up to get Revis and Harris last year, and I'm pretty sure thats worked out quite nicely for us.

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                  • Originally posted by Scorch View Post
                    The Jets review hours and hours of tapes of these guys, interview them, see them with their own eyes, and all you guys do is read Scott Wright's little blurbs about them. Yea, you guys definitely know what you're talking about.
                    This sounds an awful lot like the "Obviously the Jets know something the people up here don't".

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                    • i guess im not allowed to have an opinion if im not professionally associated with the nfl. so i guess a guy like rich kotite, in all his infinite wisdom, was not allowed to be challenged by his peers or the fans either.
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                      • Originally posted by Scorch View Post
                        The Jets review hours and hours of tapes of these guys, interview them, see them with their own eyes, and all you guys do is read Scott Wright's little blurbs about them. Yea, you guys definitely know what you're talking about.

                        Obviously, the Jets traded up because they thought highly of this guy. They traded up to get Revis and Harris last year, and I'm pretty sure thats worked out quite nicely for us.
                        WOW...I think most of us do a little more than just read Scott's blurbs as you say. We are entitled to our opinion regardless. I have been a Jets fans for almost 30 years and have seen a lot of moves that I chalked up to "well they know what they are doing, so i wont question it" I will not bore you with all of the previous wastes of picks. But one year we cut our second round pick in training camp...thats right 4 months after we drafted him.

                        Most of us have faith that Keller will develop, we just thought there were better needs. I view a good TE as the icing on the cake for a good team. Our cake is still in the oven and doesnt need to be iced.

                        So just curious, what qualifications do we need to post an opinion? Do i have to quit my job, sell my house and pay may own way to scout every player in the country then trespass into the scouting combine?
                        J. MESS

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                        • Originally posted by gio View Post
                          what would you rather have- a TE who may have a slight chance of making an impact, or another potential shut down corner?
                          a TE who 'may' have a 'slight chance' of making an impact, or 'another potential shut down corner'?

                          Seems like you are making one prospect seem much more sure than the other. You could throw an arguement like that for every draft pick. Flowers is no more a sure thing than Keller, and Keller can have just as big, if not a bigger impact than Flowers. The pass rush was addressed this offseason and should help the CBs, something that made them potentially look worse than they are back there.

                          You seem to put a whole lot of emphasis on the TE title. You realize that this guy is an athlete right? a converted WR. He has the size, speed, and jumping ability that this team needs, even if he doesn't go by the title of WR. he is more than capable of playing as a WR in packages, and doesn't have the many character or injury concerns that many of these 'top WRs' you speak of have. I'd say he's probably the safer of the selections. You seem to act as though those injury and character concerns aren't issues, and that Keller is an inferior prospect to them, which is clearly not the case.

                          Some people are saying 'who cares if the WRs fell, that means nothing!', this clearly is not true. Of course talented players fall every year, and no one is saying that isn't the case. But many teams passed on a position of need (WR) for a reason, most noteably the character and injury concerns, as well as other deficiencies that each player has. This is not to say Keller is without his faults, but do not ignore the facts. The order of drafting WRs in the draft also speaks to the uncertainty in each players quality. how many people had Avery as the first WR off the board?

                          I agree that the Jets easily could have stayed pat and just selected a tall WR in the 2nd, and that is what i fully expected them to do. I was skeptical at first when i saw the Keller selection, but do not just get caught up in the 'he's a TE, we need a WR', as he is capable of playing WR also. He will give more room to the current WRs and is a YAC guy and security blanket for a young QB. Henry is a big WR that we got in a later round to help for the redzone.

                          I am not saying that WR isn't a concern, as it is, and it needs to be addressed to get more depth and look to the future. Just don't rule out Keller so quickly. He has great character and a terrific work ethic, factors you know weighed into managements decision. Don't automatically assume that those other prospects we passed on will boom and our pick will bust


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                          • So the Jets may be bringing in Danny Woodhead. If they do, he could potentially be a monster kick returner/ST guy. He has about as much athleticism as Gholston.
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                            • Originally posted by thetedginnshow View Post
                              So the Jets may be bringing in Danny Woodhead. If they do, he could potentially be a monster kick returner/ST guy. He has about as much athleticism as Gholston.

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                              • My predicted 2008 Jets Roster (not depth chart)

                                QB: Kellen Clemens, Chad Pennington, Eric Ainge
                                RB: Thomas Jones, Leon Washington, Jesse Chatman
                                FB: Tony Richardson, Stacey Tutt
                                WR: Lavernues Coles, Jerricho Cotchery, Brad Smith, Chansi Stuckey, Marcus Henry, Wallace Wright
                                TE: Chris Baker, Dustin Keller, Bubba Franks
                                OT: D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Damien Woody, Jacob Bender, Nate Garner
                                OG: Alan Faneca, Brandan Moore, Will Montgomery, Robert Thomas
                                C: Nick Mangold, Wade Smith

                                DE: Shaun Ellis, Kenyon Coleman, Mike Devito, Kareem Brown
                                DT: Kris Jenkins, Sione Puoha, C.J. Mosley
                                OLB: Calvin Pace, Vernon Gholston, Bryan Thomas, David Bowens
                                ILB: David Harris, Eric Barton, Brad Kassell
                                CB: Darrelle Revis, Justin Miller, Dwight Lowery, Drew Coleman. Andre Woolfork
                                S: Kerry Rhodes, Abraham Elam, Eric Smith, Darnell Bing

                                K: Mike Nugent
                                P: Ben Graham
                                LS: James Dearth
                                Last edited by TimD; 04-27-2008, 08:18 PM.
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