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  • Originally posted by thetedginnshow View Post
    Even if they were all available, the only one I'd want would be Sanchez. But again, unless the FO has changed their philosophy, I wouldn't expect him to be taken.
    Agreed on the second part, though Stafford has impressed me as well and given our uncertainty at the position I'd be alright giving him a look at 17 given his value would be pretty nice. He's got the tools along with some accuracy but his decision making bothers me at times. I wouldn't mind giving him a look to develop at 17 with our uncertain situation, at the moment I do prefer Sanchez though and I'm not a big Bradford guy.

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    • If I could have any of them it would without a doubt be Stafford. He improved every year he was in college, performed well in bowl games, has the perfect frame and an absolute cannon for an arm. He reminds me a lot of Cutler actually.

      That having been said, I would like to see what Clemens and Ratliff could do if they were given the same offensive schemes. Not to mention play behind our new offensive and with the running game.

      I would love to see our team impliment a run-oriented attack with either Clemens or Ratliff and slowly give them more responsibility as they progressed. It worked very well for the pats with brady and cassel and the steelers with big ben...we have the defense and oline/tailbacks to do it.

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      • Originally posted by BroadwayJoe10 View Post
        If I could have any of them it would without a doubt be Stafford. He improved every year he was in college, performed well in bowl games, has the perfect frame and an absolute cannon for an arm. He reminds me a lot of Cutler actually.

        That having been said, I would like to see what Clemens and Ratliff could do if they were given the same offensive schemes. Not to mention play behind our new offensive and with the running game.

        I would love to see our team impliment a run-oriented attack with either Clemens or Ratliff and slowly give them more responsibility as they progressed. It worked very well for the pats with brady and cassel and the steelers with big ben...we have the defense and oline/tailbacks to do it.
        Definitely agree that Stafford seems like Cutler to an extent, not sure how good that is though. I do really like him a lot I go back and forth with him and Sanchez.

        A run-oriented attack is definitely appealing. I wouldn't mind adding a back in the mid rounds, maybe fourth or fifth, a guy with size to pound a little and take some carries. I'd love Washington to see more touches as well. Do think you give our defense a bit too much credit, but if we add the right pieces we should be solid enough to make it work relatively well and help the quarterbacks out a bit. I hope if we focus on defense and maybe find a wideout to stretch the field (though that's perhaps more of a luxury) in this draft.

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        • Originally posted by derza222 View Post
          Definitely agree that Stafford seems like Cutler to an extent, not sure how good that is though. I do really like him a lot I go back and forth with him and Sanchez.

          A run-oriented attack is definitely appealing. I wouldn't mind adding a back in the mid rounds, maybe fourth or fifth, a guy with size to pound a little and take some carries. I'd love Washington to see more touches as well. Do think you give our defense a bit too much credit, but if we add the right pieces we should be solid enough to make it work relatively well and help the quarterbacks out a bit. I hope if we focus on defense and maybe find a wideout to stretch the field (though that's perhaps more of a luxury) in this draft.
          I would love for a bigger back that could pound the defense, but it was hard enough finding enough carries for TJ and Leon. Hopefully without Favre we will be able to go to a more run-oriented offense.

          Our defense was great the first 3/4 of the season and than after the denver game it was terrible. That could be do to Jenkins' injury or mangini overhauling the defensive play calling, but who knows.

          I personally think that a WR is one of our top needs. We have absolutely no one that can get consistent downfield separation and that was very evident towards the end of the season. Once teams started keeping safeties or LBs in the 5 yard bubble to disrupt our short passing game, we were unable to do anything. I feel that a Jeremy Maclin or DHB should be our top priority. I understand we need another CB to pair with revis and another S, but i just think WR would have a bigger overall impact on our offense.

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          • Originally posted by BroadwayJoe10 View Post
            I would love for a bigger back that could pound the defense, but it was hard enough finding enough carries for TJ and Leon. Hopefully without Favre we will be able to go to a more run-oriented offense.

            Our defense was great the first 3/4 of the season and than after the denver game it was terrible. That could be do to Jenkins' injury or mangini overhauling the defensive play calling, but who knows.

            I personally think that a WR is one of our top needs. We have absolutely no one that can get consistent downfield separation and that was very evident towards the end of the season. Once teams started keeping safeties or LBs in the 5 yard bubble to disrupt our short passing game, we were unable to do anything. I feel that a Jeremy Maclin or DHB should be our top priority. I understand we need another CB to pair with revis and another S, but i just think WR would have a bigger overall impact on our offense.
            I think finding carries wasn't so much the problem as our coaching staff forgetting that the team was at its best when we ran the ball 20+ times. If we get a coach that is interested in a run heavy offense we can pick up a mauler late in the draft just in case. Keep in mind, if TJ gets injured, we don't want Leon as our feature back. He is a phenomenal weapon, but he can't handle the load for an extended period.

            I think our defense needs a few guys, but not too much. Unless of course we go back to 4-3, then we need a bit more help. With Jenkins we will have to be concerned with conditioning and motivation. After a disappointing season, who knows if he'll stop working and get fat again. We need to find someone that is a viable backup. Mosley is a good guy to have, but I don't want him playing a huge role.

            As for WR, i think that is more of a luxury than a need. LC is definitley on a decline. Cotchery is clearly a great 2. We need more weapons, however, with the possibility of stuckey and clowney and brad smith(losing hope in him b/c he just isnt progressing much), we may have a good slot guy on our roster already who can stretch the field. Clowney showed a lot of explosiveness in the preseason and stuckey showed some promise during the beginning of the year. Keep in mind that with a tight end like Keller, he can stretch defenses deep because of his matchups. I just don't know if WR is an incredibly pressing need that needs to be addressed now, however, i wouldn't necessarily be upset if we took one(especially Britt).

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            • Originally posted by BroadwayJoe10 View Post
              I would love for a bigger back that could pound the defense, but it was hard enough finding enough carries for TJ and Leon. Hopefully without Favre we will be able to go to a more run-oriented offense.

              Our defense was great the first 3/4 of the season and than after the denver game it was terrible. That could be do to Jenkins' injury or mangini overhauling the defensive play calling, but who knows.

              I personally think that a WR is one of our top needs. We have absolutely no one that can get consistent downfield separation and that was very evident towards the end of the season. Once teams started keeping safeties or LBs in the 5 yard bubble to disrupt our short passing game, we were unable to do anything. I feel that a Jeremy Maclin or DHB should be our top priority. I understand we need another CB to pair with revis and another S, but i just think WR would have a bigger overall impact on our offense.
              I agree with you about the lack of carries but also Josh that we got away with it. I just wish we had a bruiser really, and think if we got back to a run-oriented offense we could need a third guy to take up some carries especially in the case of an injury. We haven't carried a third back with Mangini but the new coach may very well want to so I wouldn't be shocked if we looked for a bigger guy to add a different element to our backfield. Perhaps even see if a LeRon McClain tweener type can get things done... Maybe Caulcrick plays a bit of a role for us next year but I'd still be cool with taking a bigger back later. I love Shonn Greene but think we have other positions we need to address first. Maybe we can get him in the fourth if he runs like a 4.6.

              On the topic of a run-oriented offense, if we do that I think we absolutely need to make re-signing Tony Richardson a priority.


              Defensively we were great at times but also inconsistant but we absolutely have some holes. Barton may not come back which opens a big question mark at ILB. If we go ILB in the first I'd like to maybe trade down a little and look for Brandon Spikes, otherwise I'd look to target Brinkley in the second or third.

              We could use a better backup at nose to keep Jenkins fresh and at his best. If he gets injured we're really aboslutely screwed defensively. If Ron Brace is there in the third I think we have to jump all over it. Otherwise there aren't that many guys, maybe that dude from Texas, Roy Miller, a little later to see if he develops because he's got some potential there even though he doesn't have prototypical size. Raji in the first would be one of those picks that isn't exactly my favorite but it'd make some sense and I think I'd end up being alright with it. Not exactly our biggest need but I think it deserves a look.

              Defensive end I think we wait till next year with a bunch of prototypical end prospects coming out and it's not a huge need anyway. I'd be alright with a mid-round guy because we could use some youth at the position...Scott's report on that guy Mitch King from Iowa makes him seem like a potentially appealing guy to target and he's got him pegged as a late rounder so we could look there in the sixth perhaps. But he's 6'3 280 with a good motor, nice intensity, good timed speed, and good strength. Not too many downsides really other than that he's a tweener.

              Corner we could probably use a guy to pair with Revis, yet to see if Lowery can be that guy though we may not want to rely on it. There's a lot of depth at the position this year though so we could probably get a good guy in the second.

              Free safety along with ILB may actually be our biggest defensive need depending on who we re-sign. The more I think about it the more I think Taylor Mays would be a nice pick if he slips to us at 17 although that's relatively unlikely. He'd be great to take away the big play and let Rhodes roam around and get the job done, plus he could try and take away Lowery's side to prevent big plays there and let him play more aggressively to try and make plays on the ball on shorter routes which is where he's at his best. So he could maybe even kill two birds with one stone. I would like to look there at some point though.


              As for WR I agree with BroadwayJoe that it should really be a big target for us. On one hand I wonder if we even are going to have Coles next year with our cap problems. But regardless I think we need to add speed and athleticism to the position, DHB and Maclin are absolutely the two guys I'd like most (Maclin being my slight preference) but I'd be down with Britt as well. It just seems like based on value that's going to be the position it'll make the most sense to look at with our pick at 17.

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              • So, apparently we don't get anything for trading Robertson? That is interesting. I guess at least we got him off the books, but to get absolutely nothing, not even a late round pick is pretty surprising....


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                • Originally posted by The Great Jonathan Vilma View Post
                  So, apparently we don't get anything for trading Robertson? That is interesting. I guess at least we got him off the books, but to get absolutely nothing, not even a late round pick is pretty surprising....
                  That kinda shocks me. How can you agree to a conditional pick that can easily become nothing. I read today he played 50% of their snaps and the condition to get a pick was for 65%. That seems like a bogus deal to me.

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                  • we really effed up our trade clauses. we should have had that if vilma is on the saints roster next year we get a first not just if they resign him. cuase he's gonna hit free agency and then just resign with them. now we're dealing with this robertson ****. great
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                    • Originally posted by TimDris View Post
                      we really effed up our trade clauses. we should have had that if vilma is on the saints roster next year we get a first not just if they resign him. cuase he's gonna hit free agency and then just resign with them. now we're dealing with this robertson ****. great
                      I agree, Tannenbaum gets a lot of credit, as he should, but those are a few mistakes among others.

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                      • yep. what do we get from the saints? a 3rd? we should have been like a 4th and next years 1st or something. whatever
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                        • Originally posted by TimDris View Post
                          yep. what do we get from the saints? a 3rd? we should have been like a 4th and next years 1st or something. whatever
                          Its hard to get a 1st rounder for a guy coming off an injury, but I think at the very least it shouldve been a conditional that could become a first. Or multiple picks.

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                          • I'm pretty sure with D'Rob we were just happy to get him off the books, so in all honesty that trade wasn't bad. I agree about the Vilma one though we should be getting more for him and they should have had it be if he's on the roster not if they extend him. The other problem with Tannenbaum is we're currently way over the cap for next year, so I'm not so sure how he's going to fix that one and improve the team beyond Favre retiring/getting cut.

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                            • my new leon washington sig haha
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                              • yeah if we werent able to trade drob, he wouldve been gone now anyway, so im still happy we didnt have to pay him last yr, although disapointed we coulndt even get a 6th or 7th out of it
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