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  • I didn't address the QB spot because:

    http://blogs.usatoday.com/thehuddle/...an-next-j.html

    Kellen Clemens, Brett Ratliff and Erik Ainge have a combined five years experience, eight starts and five touchdown passes. But one of the three could emerge to lead the Jets next season.

    Clemens is the only one of the three with regular-season experience, having relieved Chad Pennington as starter in 2007. Ryan said retaining offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer could help Clemens mature into a flourishing starter. "It's not like you're taking a rookie and trying to throw him in," he said. "You basically know what you have there."

    Ainge, a fifth-round pick last year, will get a chance to win the job, Ryan insisted. But it's Ratliff who might show the most promise. He impressed the Jets with his four-game stint in preseason last year, when he threw four touchdown passes with just one interception and had a 122.6 passer rating.

    "If he can do that in the regular season, we can win a lot of games," Ryan said.

    Ryan said he does not expect the Jets to sign a veteran quarterback in free agency. "The first thing I would think is to do what?" Ryan said "To be the backup quarterback?"

    Instead, Ryan will lean on Schottenheimer and new quarterbacks coach Matt Cavanaugh to tutor one of the young signal callers into the Jets' starter.

    "If I can bring in a guy with 16 years NFL experience and, let's just say two Super Bowls, I'd bring that guy in. And that's what I did in hiring Matt Cavanaugh," Ryan said. "We have a veteran quarterback presence right there in Matt Cavanaugh. I'm very comfortable with Matt being the mentor to our quarterbacks."
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    • Well we just renegotiated Rhodes and Pace's deals to save us another 9 mil. At this rate we'll have a ton of room.

      But they said that it might be a foregone conclusion we're signing Leonhard which, at least for me, is disconcerting. If we already basically have a deal in place, it most likely means we're overpaying, and considering how overrated he is, that'd be too bad.

      It also seems like we might get into a bidding war with the Dolphins over Scott, which is also kind of bad, unless that's for a lot less than I'm assuming. I'd definitely like Scott though, just for that attitude he's going to bring. It's funny though. Just about every position I'd like to see us address there's at least two guys in the draft that I'd love to have.
      Last edited by thetedginnshow; 02-23-2009, 04:24 PM.
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      • Haha. After seeing this vid I don't have a problem with getting Leonhard. There are at least three Safeties in this draft that would be infinitely better for us though. Hopefully he's on for depth, or we might even do something like we did last year with Pace and Gholston.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QetbN5zrg4Y
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        • Originally posted by derza222 View Post
          I'll take either in a heartbeat. ;)


          Looks like we're closing in on re-signing Tony Richardson, that'd be clutch.


          Also, what do you guys see us addressing in FA vs. the draft? Basically everything but C, LT, OLB, and one safety spot is in play in some capacity if you take depth needs into account (NT for example). I'd imagine we sign a kicker, re-sign T-Rich, sign a ILB but could draft one for depth also, draft a WR, take a QB early or not at all or sign a vet cheap or not at all, and everything else is really up in the air. I'd lean draft on tight end but maybe not, probably draft an OL at the very least for depth but maybe sign one too, draft DL if we do anything at all there, draft a RB if at all, and I've got no clue what we're doing in the secondary or at corner. What are your thoughts?

          I wouldn't be upset if the Jets picked up Chris McCallister, Bart Scott and Jim Leonhard to shore up CB, safety and ILB in free agency; looked at WR and OL early in the draft and added depth later in the draft at TE, NT/DE and RB with someone like Rashad Jennings who can be the power runner to Leon's speed or Shonn Greene who I think might be the next pro bowl running back to come out of the fourth round.


          Originally posted by thetedginnshow View Post
          Well we just renegotiated Rhodes and Pace's deals to save us another 9 mil. At this rate we'll have a ton of room.

          But they said that it might be a foregone conclusion we're signing Leonhard which, at least for me, is disconcerting. If we already basically have a deal in place, it most likely means we're overpaying, and considering how overrated he is, that'd be too bad.

          It also seems like we might get into a bidding war with the Dolphins over Scott, which is also kind of bad, unless that's for a lot less than I'm assuming. I'd definitely like Scott though, just for that attitude he's going to bring. It's funny though. Just about every position I'd like to see us address there's at least two guys in the draft that I'd love to have.
          Won't that push the Jets cap room up to 36 million??? Who are they looking to get for that much money??? The Jets don't need Ray Lewis and Bart Scott after all.

          As for the bidding war with the Dolphins........ Rex Ryan is the Ravens former defensive coordinator.......... and Tony Sparano is not.
          Last edited by Crickett; 02-23-2009, 05:03 PM.

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          • Originally posted by Crickett View Post
            I wouldn't be upset if the Jets picked up Chris McCallister, Bart Scott and Jim Leonhard to shore up CB, safety and ILB in free agency; looked at WR and OL early in the draft and added depth later in the draft at TE, NT/DE and RB with someone like Rashad Jennings who can be the power runner to Leon's speed or Shonn Greene who I think might be the next pro bowl running back to come out of the fourth round.




            Won't that push the Jets cap room up to 36 million??? Who are they looking to get for that much money??? The Jets don't need Ray Lewis and Bart Scott after all.

            As for the bidding war with the Dolphins........ Rex Ryan is the Ravens former defensive coordinator.......... and Tony Sparano is not.

            First part, I think that's a decent solution to our issues. Leonhard apparently Ryan feels can start, so I guess at this point that has to be good enough. I'd love Scott, and you have to think he'll want to come to us or the Ravens unless it's all about the money. McAllister has the talent to push Lowery and could come cheap due to his major injury concerns, don't think he'll have to be a long-term commitment guy either.

            I think the 27 million may have taken into account the renegotiations. Perhaps not, but those have been rumored for awhile. I've got to imagine we want to bring Scott on board, with price taken into account I'd absolutely take him over Lewis. Maybe a more long-term corner deal like a Jabari Greer, or somebody on the OL that we're looking at in FA? I really don't want any splashes bigger than Scott though to be honest, and hope we don't overpay guys.

            TTGS, who is the third safety you're thinking of? I guess Delmas and Chung but...unsure after that. Johnson or Vaughn, maybe?

            Other thing to taken into account with this cap room is we may want to get some long-term extensions done. In this case, it could be nice to be able to get them done and frontload them a bit while leaving some space for future years. Word is we'd like to get LW and Mangold done this offseason, both of which I'd be very happy with.

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            • Originally posted by Crickett View Post
              Won't that push the Jets cap room up to 36 million??? Who are they looking to get for that much money??? The Jets don't need Ray Lewis and Bart Scott after all.

              As for the bidding war with the Dolphins........ Rex Ryan is the Ravens former defensive coordinator.......... and Tony Sparano is not.
              Well, I guess Revis and Keller get bonuses or incentives or something, and that bumps things up a certain amount. But the cap figure hasn't even been set yet, so I think we should just assume that we're somewhere around the mid-20's.

              Originally posted by derza222 View Post
              TTGS, who is the third safety you're thinking of? I guess Delmas and Chung but...unsure after that. Johnson or Vaughn, maybe?

              Other thing to taken into account with this cap room is we may want to get some long-term extensions done. In this case, it could be nice to be able to get them done and frontload them a bit while leaving some space for future years. Word is we'd like to get LW and Mangold done this offseason, both of which I'd be very happy with.
              I'd be very happy with that as well. And yeah, the third was Vaughn. It's funny people keep talking about moving Lowery to S when Ryan was talking about Rhodes in an Ed Reed sort of mold, which means we'd need a run stopper. Leonhard seems like a great "team" guy and appears to give it his all and I'd have no doubt that he'd become a fan favorite, but I'd just rather see a superstar duo back there.

              And I guess with the Moore thing they were saying they may plan to move Woody to RG and then possibly put Hunter or Turner at RT. Really though, the way the top Tackle prospects appear to be sliding, if we do happen to bring in Scott and Leonhard, we might just be going OL in the 1st and WR in the 2nd.
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              • According to the Star Leger before bonuses it leaves them 37 million under the cap? JEESH...from 15 over to 37 under. That said, Moore should have stayed with a reworked deal. If we are not bringing in a QB like Rex said, then that will leave a lot of cash to be spent. If we do not spend it all, i'd like to front load some contracts for a change so there is room in the future.
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                • Originally posted by thetedginnshow View Post
                  Well, I guess Revis and Keller get bonuses or incentives or something, and that bumps things up a certain amount. But the cap figure hasn't even been set yet, so I think we should just assume that we're somewhere around the mid-20's.



                  I'd be very happy with that as well. And yeah, the third was Vaughn. It's funny people keep talking about moving Lowery to S when Ryan was talking about Rhodes in an Ed Reed sort of mold, which means we'd need a run stopper. Leonhard seems like a great "team" guy and appears to give it his all and I'd have no doubt that he'd become a fan favorite, but I'd just rather see a superstar duo back there.

                  And I guess with the Moore thing they were saying they may plan to move Woody to RG and then possibly put Hunter or Turner at RT. Really though, the way the top Tackle prospects appear to be sliding, if we do happen to bring in Scott and Leonhard, we might just be going OL in the 1st and WR in the 2nd.
                  Love Vaughn, he'd be a great addition IMO.

                  An unconventional but pretty sweet first 5 rounds could look like:

                  1. Mike Oher, RT/G, Ole Miss
                  2. Andre Brown, RB, NC State
                  3. Mike Wallace, WR, Ole Miss
                  4. Chip Vaughn, S, Wake Forest
                  5. Richard Quinn, TE, North Carolina

                  Not too shabby if we re-sign Richardson and go with that Baltimore trio, provided Leonhard comes cheap. Focus on depth at ILB, on the DL, and perhaps the OL or the secondary. If that's a little too optimistic you can flip up Wallace and Vaughn a round and stick in Rashad Johnson or Shonn Greene n the fourth. Not sure it'd actually happen with Rex a defensive guy, but those guys make sense despite how unconventional it would be.

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                  • do you have two 4th rounders this year(from Kendall trade)? I cant seem to find the official draft order beyond round 1 anywhere. Unless I am missing a trade, we should have out 4th and the Skins 4th..
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                    • Originally posted by jmess15 View Post
                      do you have two 4th rounders this year(from Kendall trade)? I cant seem to find the official draft order beyond round 1 anywhere. Unless I am missing a trade, we should have out 4th and the Skins 4th..
                      We get a 4th from the 'skins, but than qe have to give our 4th to the saints I believe for the Vilma trade, but we receive their 3rd. Our 3rd than goes to Green Bay for Favre. So we have a pick in each round, but they all aren't at the #17 spot in each round.

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                      • How come we haven't been talking about Chris Canty? I didn't even know he was a FA. That's a guy we should bring in. We'd get youth and the schematic versatility Ryan desires, plus it'd mean one less signing for the Dolphins.
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                        • Originally posted by derza222 View Post
                          3. Mike Wallace, WR, Ole Miss
                          I'm not so sure about him or needing a speedy slot guy at all for that matter. As much as I would love to get one of those shiny new receivers coming off a fast time(especially Tiquan), I just think that the answer may already be on the roster in David Clowney or Chansi Stuckey. Both guys have promise as a slot guy. Mike Wallace or any other guy in the 3-5 range don't seem to be much of an upgrade over the guys we have.

                          The only receiver I would want is someone that can develop into a #1 or a really good #2 that is more of a deep threat that can line up across from Cotchery. So DHB, Maclin ,Britt, Crabtree(Miracles happen). Still not comfortable with Harvin.So many of his big plays came from out of the backfield and I'm no so sure he can be the same type of weapon in the pros. He may end up being special and make me look really stupid.

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                          • Originally posted by josh07039 View Post
                            I'm not so sure about him or needing a speedy slot guy at all for that matter. As much as I would love to get one of those shiny new receivers coming off a fast time(especially Tiquan), I just think that the answer may already be on the roster in David Clowney or Chansi Stuckey. Both guys have promise as a slot guy. Mike Wallace or any other guy in the 3-5 range don't seem to be much of an upgrade over the guys we have.

                            The only receiver I would want is someone that can develop into a #1 or a really good #2 that is more of a deep threat that can line up across from Cotchery. So DHB, Maclin ,Britt, Crabtree(Miracles happen). Still not comfortable with Harvin.So many of his big plays came from out of the backfield and I'm no so sure he can be the same type of weapon in the pros. He may end up being special and make me look really stupid.
                            Just curious, but what exactly makes Mike Wallace a speedy slot guy and DHB, Maclin, and potentially Harvin a #1 or #2 beyond the hype they've gotten?
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                            • Originally posted by thetedginnshow View Post
                              Just curious, but what exactly makes Mike Wallace a speedy slot guy and DHB, Maclin, and potentially Harvin a #1 or #2 beyond the hype they've gotten?
                              Well I haven't watched any of Wallace so I cant speak to him. I have watched DHB and Maclin and they do seem to have the skillset to be a #1. I have said that Maclin still worries me in terms of looking a bit frail, but he is a pretty electric talent.

                              Also, Wallace's production is nothing special. Granted DHB's production is nothing great either, but his full package of athleticism and some of the stuff i've seen him do during games makes me and many others think he has the potential.

                              Perhaps if I had seen Wallace I might feel that he could be a number 1. I will admit my ignorance on Wallace and say that I am just going by hype/scouting reports.

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                              • Originally posted by BroadwayJoe10 View Post
                                We get a 4th from the 'skins, but than qe have to give our 4th to the saints I believe for the Vilma trade, but we receive their 3rd. Our 3rd than goes to Green Bay for Favre. So we have a pick in each round, but they all aren't at the #17 spot in each round.
                                As far as I understand it, this is the deal, which is why we have just one fourth. Could be wrong but that's what I think we've got.

                                Originally posted by thetedginnshow View Post
                                How come we haven't been talking about Chris Canty? I didn't even know he was a FA. That's a guy we should bring in. We'd get youth and the schematic versatility Ryan desires, plus it'd mean one less signing for the Dolphins.
                                Didn't really know he was available either. I'm not sure it's a huge need and he probably comes with a hefty pricetag but he's certainly a legit player and would be an upgrade so, provided we don't ignore anything else, I'd have no beef.

                                Originally posted by josh07039 View Post
                                Well I haven't watched any of Wallace so I cant speak to him. I have watched DHB and Maclin and they do seem to have the skillset to be a #1. I have said that Maclin still worries me in terms of looking a bit frail, but he is a pretty electric talent.

                                Also, Wallace's production is nothing special. Granted DHB's production is nothing great either, but his full package of athleticism and some of the stuff i've seen him do during games makes me and many others think he has the potential.

                                Perhaps if I had seen Wallace I might feel that he could be a number 1. I will admit my ignorance on Wallace and say that I am just going by hype/scouting reports.
                                Wallace is speedy, not too small, decent hands, and can get deep. Out of all of the wideouts in the round 2/3 range I think he's the best option for us as far as skill set that he'll bring to the table. He played in a tough conference and Miss liked to run the ball as far as I know. I see him being a fringe starter but he's a legit outside wideout and you have to like his potential to become more with his skill set. He looked nice at the Senior Bowl and his yards per catch are incredible. Of anybody to take a flier on if we don't draft a guy in the first, he's my personal favorite given his upside. Generally I'm not in favor of drafting a wideout if we pass in the first, though.


                                Anybody think there's a chance Malcolm Jenkins slips to us with his slowish forty? Chip Vaughn burned his too, maybe he becomes an option in the third or even the late second, didn't see how he looked in drills.

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