New York Jets Discussion

[derza222]

As another wideout to add to the list, TJB mentioned Nate Washington. He's obviously a good athlete and a deep threat, but his hands are pretty suspect from what I've seen of him. He fits the mold of what we're looking for-to an extent-but I'd rather take my chances with Clowney to be honest. Cheaper option to provide something very similar. If we sign Washington to a big-ish contract and expect the world of him I'd be surprised if we didn't get McCareins-esque play from him.

[derza222]

Saw a rumor somewhere that we're looking at Ray Lewis for 3 years $25 million. Not sure I'd like it, to be honest. Thoughts?

[Crickett]

Saw a rumor somewhere that we're looking at Ray Lewis for 3 years $25 million. Not sure I'd like it, to be honest. Thoughts?

If the Jets can't get Bart Scott, I wouldn't mind Ray Lewis at that contract considering the length of it and the amount of cap room the Jets currently have. I'd hope Leonard and McAlister would be significantly cheaper than that though.

[derza222]

If the Jets can't get Bart Scott, I wouldn't mind Ray Lewis at that contract considering the length of it and the amount of cap room the Jets currently have. I'd hope Leonard and McAlister would be significantly cheaper than that though.

Perhaps...still a lot of cap to give up for an aging guy whose coverage skills aren't great. Given the value of the ILB position I think it's money better spent elsewhere. Seems like a splash signing and I don't really like that...the focus should be on building a good team long-term...anyways. Agree on hoping the other two come cheap.

Saw a suggestion that Chansi Stuckey could be the replacement for Coles in the starting lineup. Not sure I'd be happy with that either to be honest I've always viewed him as more of a slot guy and think he can excel and should remain in that role. Everyone else's thoughts?

[GET LOOSE]

Well Stucky straight up made plays when he got the ball last year. Now im not sure if hes more then just a slot guy but maybe he can step up more this year with more plays designed for him. The phins signed Gibril Wilson so hes out of the picture. But as I stated before I love Leonhard and hope hes in a Jets uni next season

[thetedginnshow]

Finally cut Moore. Not sure what to think of it. I'm going to have to imagine we're making a play for some lineman out there, but it's funny because at just about every position we've cut someone it's been mentioned that there's confidence in a back-up.

[Crickett]

Finally cut Moore. Not sure what to think of it. I'm going to have to imagine we're making a play for some lineman out there, but it's funny because at just about every position we've cut someone it's been mentioned that there's confidence in a back-up.

QB - Kellen Clemens
RB - Thomas Jones
FB - Tony Richardson
WR - Jerricho Cotchery
WR - Chansi Stuckey
WR - David Clowney
TE - Dustin Keller
LT - D'Brickashaw Ferugson
LG - Alan Faneca
C- Nick Mangold
RG - Damien Woody
RT - Wayne Hunter
DE - Shaun Ellis
NT - Kris Jenkins
DE - Kenyon Coleman
OLB - Bryan Thomas
ILB - David Harris
ILB - Cody Spencer
OLB - Calvin Pace
SS - Eric Smith
FS - Kerry Rhodes
CB - Darrelle Revis
CB - Dwight Lowry


I'm sure the Jets coaching staff has full confidence in this as the starting lineup. :p

[derza222]

QB - Kellen Clemens
RB - Thomas Jones
FB - Tony Richardson
WR - Jerricho Cotchery
WR - Chansi Stuckey
WR - David Clowney
TE - Dustin Keller
LT - D'Brickashaw Ferugson
LG - Alan Faneca
C- Nick Mangold
RG - Damien Woody
RT - Wayne Hunter
DE - Shaun Ellis
NT - Kris Jenkins
DE - Kenyon Coleman
OLB - Bryan Thomas
ILB - David Harris
ILB - Cody Spencer
OLB - Calvin Pace
SS - Eric Smith
FS - Kerry Rhodes
CB - Darrelle Revis
CB - Dwight Lowry


I'm sure the Jets coaching staff has full confidence in this as the starting lineup. :p

Ugh, there are some craters in there, calling them holes doesn't do the weakness of the position justice.

[thetedginnshow]

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/jet...ngs-about.html

Just got off the phone with RG Brandon Moore, who shared mixed feelings about his release from the Jets. He's disappointed that the organization didn't feel he was worth his contract, but thankful to them for giving him a chance. Remember, he originally signed as an undrafted defensive lineman out of Illinois in 2003.
The Jets cut him because they didn't want to pay a $7 million roster bonus. I asked Moore if they offered to convert the signing bonus into a roster bonus, a routine restructuring that would've saved oodles of cap room, and he said: "They wanted to lower my money. They wanted me to take less money. For whatever reason, unbeknownst to me, they didn't feel my value was there. It's puzzling to me. I wasn't going to take anything less. I thought what I was getting wasn't unreasonable."
He declined to give the specifics of the Jets' offer, saying he wanted to take the high road.
This is a player who has been saddled with lousy contracts throughout his career, even when he became a starter in 2004. They sweetened his deal - a little - in 2007, but it still was a below-market contract.
"I never had the big signing day, never had the big contract," he said. "I felt I outplayed my contract. For whatever reason, they didn't think I was worthy of it. I know the truth. I know how much I'm worth. The reasons behind it, I don't want to get into. I enjoyed my time there. I'll be forever indebted to the Jets because they gave me a chance."
As I've stated several times, this was a bad move by the Jets. But don't cry for Moore; he's one of the top guards in the free-agent market, and he'll do just fine. Rest assured, he'll get more than $7 million in guarantees.
He still will count as $385,000 in dead money on the Jets' cap, but the team will realize a savings of $7.46 million. It has been speculated that Damien Woody, a former guard, will move to Moore's spot, but I think they'll leave Woody at right tackle. Tackles are harder to find than guards.

Am I the only one not on Moore's side? I don't know, it kind of reminds me of Coles and Baker where they highly over-value themselves, because I really don't think Moore's worth that much. In my mind, just about every move done so far has been as much about promoting team chemistry as it has been about cutting cap, so I'm all for it until I see something negative.

[Guest]

I'm surprised that Chris Canty and Igor Olshansky aren't getting more talk. Both of them are young and good fits for a 3-4. Olshansky doesn't offer much in the way of versatility, but he should at least provide some competition. Canty is versatile and is a good up and comer in the league. I would rather sign either of these two than see the Jets go the tyson Jackson route in the first round.

[Crickett]

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/jet...ngs-about.html



Am I the only one not on Moore's side? I don't know, it kind of reminds me of Coles and Baker where they highly over-value themselves, because I really don't think Moore's worth that much. In my mind, just about every move done so far has been as much about promoting team chemistry as it has been about cutting cap, so I'm all for it until I see something negative.

I don't see the comparison. Unlike Coles and Baker who demanded more money, all Moore wanted was the money in his contract. Not an unreasonable demand, especially coming off of a pretty good season. IIRC, Moore contract was 6 years 23 million. Considering the ridiculous contracts guards have been getting, that doesn't seem unreasonable for a guard of his quality. I don't know why they weren't willing to just renegotiate the deal and why they wanted him to take a pay cut. So the Jets have 7 million more in cap room and a new need to fill. To me, this was the first bad cut the Jets have made.

[thetedginnshow]

I don't see the comparison. Unlike Coles and Baker who demanded more money, all Moore wanted was the money in his contract. Not an unreasonable demand, especially coming off of a pretty good season. IIRC, Moore contract was 6 years 23 million. Considering the ridiculous contracts guards have been getting, that doesn't seem unreasonable for a guard of his quality. I don't know why they weren't willing to just renegotiate the deal and why they wanted him to take a pay cut. So the Jets have 7 million more in cap room and a new need to fill. To me, this was the first bad cut the Jets have made.

Actually reading over the article again, I read it wrong the first time. I thought he said he wanted more money. So I take it back. Still don't particularly care that we're letting him go though. Of course, this leaves the Jets in quite a predicament because if TJ and Leon don't have the same kind of year and the Jets give up more sacks, everyone will act as if it's because Moore is gone.

[Crickett]

Actually reading over the article again, I read it wrong the first time. I thought he said he wanted more money. So I take it back. Still don't particularly care that we're letting him go though. Of course, this leaves the Jets in quite a predicament because if TJ and Leon don't have the same kind of year and the Jets give up more sacks, everyone will act as if it's because Moore is gone.

Well, I'd say it will depend on who they replace Moore with. If the Jets truly feel his replacement is already on the roster, IMO the Jets will give up more sacks and the running game won't be as good and it will be because Moore is gone (and they didn't go and get a suitable replacement).

[gpngc]

Moore was one of the better run-blockers in the league. This is a huge blow. Your offense is shaping up to be very weak next season.

Maybe Super Leon will get 20 touches a game and make up for the less talented OL and shaky QB situation.

[derza222]

Just a few more hours...hoping a Bart Scott deal doesn't get done last minute and we can get him up here for a visit and see what we can do.