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  • Originally posted by josh07039 View Post
    Even though it is two picks, I'm also pretty happy with the deal. Getting an experienced guy that is also on the right side of 30 to fill a need is huge. With the addition of Sheppard, now Lowery moves to nickle and coleman and poteat can play dime. With maybe one cheap addition for depth, the secondary is looking really good and pretty deep.
    Still looks like we're trying to sign Ivy, so I think he'd be the nickel especially with his versatility. I was actually reading up on him and he seems like he'd be a great get both as a player and as a person.

    Also, we should find out about Leonhard today.

    And I don't want Canty anymore. Supposedly he's commanding something in the 7-8 mil a year range, and I'm sorry but he's no Bart Scott. It's kind of a crap shoot, but it's very possible for us to find a great 3-4 DE outside of the first round.
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    • Originally posted by thetedginnshow View Post
      Still looks like we're trying to sign Ivy, so I think he'd be the nickel especially with his versatility. I was actually reading up on him and he seems like he'd be a great get both as a player and as a person.

      Also, we should find out about Leonhard today.

      And I don't want Canty anymore. Supposedly he's commanding something in the 7-8 mil a year range, and I'm sorry but he's no Bart Scott. It's kind of a crap shoot, but it's very possible for us to find a great 3-4 DE outside of the first round.
      Canty just signed with the giants anyway. I cant belive they gave him that much $ when they have so many guys on that line already. I hope Leonhard get signed today and I still wouldnt mind going after Olshansky

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      • Originally posted by GET LOOSE View Post
        Canty just signed with the giants anyway. I cant belive they gave him that much $ when they have so many guys on that line already. I hope Leonhard get signed today and I still wouldnt mind going after Olshansky
        Rotoworld said Leonhard left town....
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        • Originally posted by jmess15 View Post
          Rotoworld said Leonhard left town....
          Dam I really want Leonhard. Hope we can get that done. I hear were intrested in Marques Douglas. Another Raven on the radar. He wouldnt be a bad addition to our line. Hope we pull both him and Leonhard in

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          • Leonhard would be a really nice get but he's not a must IMO, there are some very solid answers in the draft.

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            • Originally posted by derza222 View Post
              Leonhard would be a really nice get but he's not a must IMO, there are some very solid answers in the draft.
              He's certainly not a must with William Moore, Patrick Chung and Rashad Johnson there in the second round and possibly Michael Hamlin there in the third. But his signing would allow the Jets to go almost pure BPA post-first round (assuming they draft a WR in the first) which would be nice.

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              • the sheppard deal works out like this (it's complicated so i'll try to simplify it)...

                1. we give up a 5th this year.
                2. we give up a 2nd next year if lito plays 85% of the snaps and we pick up the 10 million dollar option by march 2010 (which is eerily similar to what we did with the saints and vilma, so i'm assuming we could not pick that up and try to sign him in FA).
                3. if lito plays 85% of the snaps, but we don't pick up the option, we give up a 3rd.
                4. if we give up a 2nd or a 3rd next year, we get a 5th back in 2010.
                5. then i'm assuming if he doesn't play 85% of the snaps, we only give up a 4th-5th.
                6. i also heard that if he doesn't play in 39% of the snaps, we don't give up a 2010 pick at all.

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                • Originally posted by okay123 View Post
                  the sheppard deal works out like this (it's complicated so i'll try to simplify it)...

                  1. we give up a 5th this year.
                  2. we give up a 2nd next year if lito plays 85% of the snaps and we pick up the 10 million dollar option by march 2010 (which is eerily similar to what we did with the saints and vilma, so i'm assuming we could not pick that up and try to sign him in FA).
                  3. if lito plays 85% of the snaps, but we don't pick up the option, we give up a 3rd.
                  4. if we give up a 2nd or a 3rd next year, we get a 5th back in 2010.
                  5. then i'm assuming if he doesn't play 85% of the snaps, we only give up a 4th-5th.
                  6. i also heard that if he doesn't play in 39% of the snaps, we don't give up a 2010 pick at all.
                  I'm hoping the Jets give up that second because like giving a 1st in exchange for Favre, it would mean that Lito played well enough to warrant the 10 million dollar bonus and the 2nd round pick. I'm not holding my breathe for him to play THAT well though.

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                  • Its looking like we are not in the Housh sweepstakes at this point. Considering most of us thought WR was a need before cutting Coles then what does that say now. I was hoping they'd sign Housh and still draft a WR. Does anybody have any other thoughts?
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                    • Originally posted by okay123 View Post
                      the sheppard deal works out like this (it's complicated so i'll try to simplify it)...

                      1. we give up a 5th this year.
                      2. we give up a 2nd next year if lito plays 85% of the snaps and we pick up the 10 million dollar option by march 2010 (which is eerily similar to what we did with the saints and vilma, so i'm assuming we could not pick that up and try to sign him in FA).
                      3. if lito plays 85% of the snaps, but we don't pick up the option, we give up a 3rd.
                      4. if we give up a 2nd or a 3rd next year, we get a 5th back in 2010.
                      5. then i'm assuming if he doesn't play 85% of the snaps, we only give up a 4th-5th.
                      6. i also heard that if he doesn't play in 39% of the snaps, we don't give up a 2010 pick at all.
                      It's a multiple year deal though. We'd have to cut him then re-sign him, which I guess we could do, but that'd be pretty funny.
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                      • Oh and... while my mom would love for us to get Housh (now she could get his jersey), I really wouldn't. He's going to command too much money and we just really don't have a need for an aging receiver.
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                        • Originally posted by jmess15 View Post
                          Its looking like we are not in the Housh sweepstakes at this point. Considering most of us thought WR was a need before cutting Coles then what does that say now. I was hoping they'd sign Housh and still draft a WR. Does anybody have any other thoughts?
                          I didn't think the Jets were going to be in the Housh sweepstakes. IIRC, he's the only premiere free agent wide receiver. The Jets had no more chance to get him than they did getting Albert Haynesworth. I think the Jets should draft a wide receiver and add a cheap wide veteran WR out of the list of people I wrote back on page 184.


                          If the Jets WR corps looked like

                          #1 Jerricho Cotchery
                          #2 Jeremy Maclin/DHB
                          #3 cheap veteran free agent
                          #4 Chansi Stuckey
                          #5 Dave Clowney
                          #6 Brad Smith

                          on opening day, I'd be okay with that.

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                          • Originally posted by Crickett View Post
                            He's certainly not a must with William Moore, Patrick Chung and Rashad Johnson there in the second round and possibly Michael Hamlin there in the third. But his signing would allow the Jets to go almost pure BPA post-first round (assuming they draft a WR in the first) which would be nice.
                            Yeah I agree with that, it would definitely be a nice luxury to go BPA later in the draft and it would certainly make things interesting come draft day. But it's not a necessity to grab him by any stretch. Also like Delmas and Vaughn as fits, better than Moore and Johnson really though if Rex thinks he can get something out of Moore I'll trust him on that one. Still hope we sign him, though.

                            Originally posted by okay123 View Post
                            the sheppard deal works out like this (it's complicated so i'll try to simplify it)...

                            1. we give up a 5th this year.
                            2. we give up a 2nd next year if lito plays 85% of the snaps and we pick up the 10 million dollar option by march 2010 (which is eerily similar to what we did with the saints and vilma, so i'm assuming we could not pick that up and try to sign him in FA).
                            3. if lito plays 85% of the snaps, but we don't pick up the option, we give up a 3rd.
                            4. if we give up a 2nd or a 3rd next year, we get a 5th back in 2010.
                            5. then i'm assuming if he doesn't play 85% of the snaps, we only give up a 4th-5th.
                            6. i also heard that if he doesn't play in 39% of the snaps, we don't give up a 2010 pick at all.
                            That's really good to know. Not a bad deal by Tannenbaum at all. A lot like the Vilma deal only from the other side, we probably won't be giving up much and like Crickett said if we do give up the 2nd he was clearly worth it and the trade ends up being fantastic. We also seem to have no problem renegotiating with guys we've cut, so while it would be awkward to cut him and then try to re-sign him it could work.

                            Originally posted by jmess15 View Post
                            Its looking like we are not in the Housh sweepstakes at this point. Considering most of us thought WR was a need before cutting Coles then what does that say now. I was hoping they'd sign Housh and still draft a WR. Does anybody have any other thoughts?
                            I love Housh don't get me wrong, but I just don't think he really fits what we need right now. He's an aging elite #2, and we already have a high level #2 in Cotchery on the roster. I don't see him bringing that speed to stretch the field we really need, we could get a lower level free agent and draft a guy and I'd be alright with it or just draft somebody really. Plus he's going to command a ton of money. So basically, I agree with what TTGS and Crickett said (along with what Crickett said about our WR corps, though I would be happy with drafting some guys other than Maclin).

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                            • Well I would hope Stucky is not 4th on opening day. If not that would mean he did not step and show hes worth that 3rd spot. He played well last year and made plays when the ball was thrown to him. If we draft Maclin or DHB I will be confident in our reciving corps.

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                              • I actually am not sure we'd be interested in bringing in another WR. It doesn't seem like there's an absolute ton of interest in people not on the Ravens, and like how Rex feels about the QBs, I kind of think he might feel the same way about the WRs in that with having a veteran position coach there, that'll be enough of a "veteran WR" for them to mimic. Plus, the WR crop is absolutely horrible. The only person they could learn anything from is Engram, but he's dying. And really, if we're ever going to see anything out of Stuckey/Clowney, bringing in a veteran WR isn't going to help that.
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