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  • You can't be serious.

    You are happy going into TC and the season with these 3 QBs? I don't know about you, but I am not putting blind faith in any of them. Bring in someone who can compete for the starting job. You are basically assuming that Clemmens will start and be able to manage the Jets. Even if you truly believe that and feel that none of the FA QBs can beat him out, what happens if he goes down?

    We need to bring in a QB to compete for the starting job. Clemmens beating out Ainge and Ratliff does not really mean much to me.

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    • Well now we'll get to see TO twice a year.
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      • Originally posted by AlexDown View Post
        You can't be serious.

        You are happy going into TC and the season with these 3 QBs? I don't know about you, but I am not putting blind faith in any of them.

        I would be as happy going into TC with these 3 QBs as I would with these three and any of the following.


        Charlie Batch
        Brock Berlin
        Kyle Boller
        Brooks Bollinger
        Todd Bouman
        Ken Dorsey
        Gus Frerotte
        Charlie Frye
        Jeff Garcia
        Trent Green
        Rex Grossman
        Joey Harrington
        Drew Henson
        Byron Leftwich
        J.P. Losman
        Jamie Martin
        Patrick Ramsey
        Marquis Tuiasosopo
        Anthony Wright

        The only one IMO who could theoretically provide an upgrade is Jeff Garcia or Leftwich, both of whom are inconsistant and probably wouldn't want to have to compete for a job on the Jets (meaning having it handed to them).
        Last edited by Crickett; 03-07-2009, 05:16 PM.

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        • I mean, if that is what you really believe, I'm not going to debate it with you.

          I'll say it again, your putting a lot of stock in a QB that hasn't proved anything, and two who haven't played a down in the NFL. I mean, guess I just don't eye to eye with you on this one. It will be a mistake to not make a move for any move for a veteran QB, and I would be shocked if the Jets did not act to sign one.

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          • Originally posted by AlexDown View Post
            I mean, if that is what you really believe, I'm not going to debate it with you.

            I'll say it again, your putting a lot of stock in a QB that hasn't proved anything, and two who haven't played a down in the NFL. I mean, guess I just don't eye to eye with you on this one. It will be a mistake to not make a move for any move for a veteran QB, and I would be shocked if the Jets did not act to sign one.
            Jets | Unlikely to pursue Garcia
            Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:30:46 -0800

            Dave Hutchinson, of the Star-Ledger, reports the New York Jets appear unlikely to pursue impending free-agent QB Jeff Garcia (Buccaneers). The Jets are leaning toward going with either QB Kellen Clemens or QB Brett Ratliff and would like a veteran as an insurance policy and not a starter.

            There are no veteran backup QB's of any kind of quality out there. I would much rather go with an uproven QB than the ones out there that have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they suck (Grossman, Boller, Henson, etc) or that they don't have it anymore (Frerotte, Green, Brad Johnson, etc). JMO, but yeah, I'm as confident in the three the Jets have than anyone else currently out there.



            And I forgot Brad Johnson on my list that I wrote.
            Last edited by Crickett; 03-07-2009, 05:31 PM.

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            • Revis got T.O and Moss on lock and Sheppard got Evans and Welker. And about this QB thingwe have to give one of these young guys a shot and see what they can provide. If it does not work out well then we go get a QB next year.

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              • I have to imagine we're going to end up signing somebody eventually at least just to give a different look. At this point they'll probably end up waiting for the price of the quarterbacks that are on the market to drive down some and grab somebody decent.

                Whatever happens with the position it will be interesting to follow, but I do think we need to allow the guys currently on the roster to have a shot to compete for the starting job. No Favre-esque move...

                The thing with picking up some QB via trade or free agency is that the team they were formerly on wouldn't let them go if they were legit. And with a veteran, they've generally proved over the course of their career that they won't be successful in the franchise QB sense. So while it's hard to be comfortable with the guys currently on the roster, somebody that is available to be had definitely will have some major holes in their game as well.

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                • LOL :)

                  We have 3 QBs, 2 who haven't played a down in the NFL and one that has not proven anything at all! I mean, what more can I say.

                  So many of you are fine just handing the job to Clemens, but I don't see the problem of giving him some competition. There is zero to be lost, and this competition only helps to see where we stand. What is the problem with some competition? I would hate to find out at TC, when more talented FA QBs are gone, that Clemens hasn't progressed.

                  You all seem to be saying that bringing in a FA QB would somehow prevent the younger guys from getting their "shot". Everyone has a change to beat out everyone at TC, and if Clemens is better then everyone, that thats great news for the Jets. Bringing in a Vet QB to compete does NOT mean we aren't giving the guys on our roster a shot.

                  I also don't like how your painting with a wide brush Crickett by labeling all those QBs as washed up or terrible. The Jets are a talented team, and I don't think we need our QB to "win" the games for us to succeed, and I can think of a lot of QBs who I bet you considered washed up that, with enough talent, played some consistent football. I mean just look at Kerry Collins after Oakland and even first year in Tennessee. But that is just one example.

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                  • Originally posted by derza222 View Post
                    I have to imagine we're going to end up signing somebody eventually at least just to give a different look. At this point they'll probably end up waiting for the price of the quarterbacks that are on the market to drive down some and grab somebody decent.

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                    I think so too (though decent is a subjective term here). Whether its a veteran or a draft pick i think we at least need another option. But with that said i think the fact that the O-Coordinator remained from last year says something for the current group. There is a lot on the line this year for Schottenheimer. If the O bombs it could set him back a bit in his quest to be a head coach and if he thought that no one on the current roster could develop i would imagine they would be pursuing someone as we speak.
                    Last edited by jmess15; 03-08-2009, 08:28 AM.
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                    • Originally posted by AlexDown View Post


                      LOL :)

                      I mean just look at Kerry Collins after Oakland and even first year in Tennessee. But that is just one example.
                      I agree I thought Collins was dead weight..and Kurt Warner looked done for a while too...
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                      • I'm sure there are some options out there and like I said I think we sign somebody, but to me it seems like it'll be a just for the hell of it lets see if we get lucky while we get some competition for our young QB's signing. There are some alright options out there but nobody really jumps out as a guy who I think can absolutely lead us to the playoffs with a team around the level of last year, better in some areas and worse in others. It's probably going to happen and I'm not against it by any stretch as long as it's not long-term or really expensive, but it's pretty much a crapshoot with the guys available IMO.

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                        • Originally posted by AlexDown View Post
                          I also don't like how your painting with a wide brush Crickett by labeling all those QBs as washed up or terrible.
                          Which ones aren't? I look at that free agent list and see Jeff Garcia (who would not want to compete for a job), Byron Leftwich (who is in a fairly similar situation to Clemens IMO and would cost a lot more) and not a lot else.

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                          • The guys on that list are no better than what we have so we should see what our 3 QB's can do.

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                            • Wow. Quite the argument about the QBs. I'm drunk so I agree with everyone. :)
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                              • Originally posted by thetedginnshow View Post
                                Wow. Quite the argument about the QBs. I'm drunk so I agree with everyone. :)
                                I am sort of in the middle on all of this, but one guy I do not want is Jeff Garcia. I don't think he has the arm strength anymore (if he ever did) to play in the north east and Giants Stadium in particular.
                                Last edited by jmess15; 03-08-2009, 08:27 AM.
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