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  • Originally posted by MyLostintention View Post
    You can't have all young WRs when you only have young unproven QBs. Having a vet WR like Holt would help Clemens progress tremendously, in ways a rookie WR couldn't. I still feel we need a young WR who can be our future number 1 but Holt is a very good short term decision to help an offense that is very young at the play making positions.
    I agree 100%. A veteran like Holt could help out a young QB and young WR group immeasurably. To me its a no brainer. If he could sign Holt and still draft a WR on day one that I think we would be in good shape.
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    • Looks like the Broncos and Cutler's relationship is souring by the minute...any chance in us getting involved? Not sure we have the ammo but ..what do you guys think?
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      • Ah if I remember correctly, am I'm pretty sure I do, the Jets almost took Cutler over D'Brick with the 4th pick that year.

        I think that Cutler is good, and poised to be one of the next best QBs, but with that said I don't want him. Maybe in the future, but definitely not this year. We've built a scary defense and an offense that has a great OL and 2 pro bowl running backs, so I think getting a gunslinger like Cutler would be bad for this season. We need a game manager type QB and Cutler is the opposite of that. Also I'm not ready to give up anyone to try and get Cutler. We don't really have any players of value that we can spare and we need our draft picks to finish building our team.
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        • Cutler will be staying in Denver.

          He would be great for the Jets but we really have nothing to give them, especially since they would want a QB to replace him. It would have to be a three way trade and we would have to give up our first rounder this year and a pick next year to get him.

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          • It would definiteley cost us multiple picks but for a franchis QB that is already proven that is not a bad price to pay. I see a lot of Mock drafts that have us drafting Sanchez with # 17 anyway (which I am not against), so if true we are trading a chance to draft a QB in RD 1 for an established, young Pro Bowl QB. Again I doubt it would happen, but it should not be dismissed.
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            • I'd say no. We've seen what happens when you bring a gunslinger coming off of a career year to a team with no real down the field receiving options. Why should the Jets Ditka the draft to do it again?

              Green Bay had Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, James Jones and Donald Lee.

              Denver had Brandon Marshall, Eddie Royal, Brandon Stoakley, DJAX and Tony Scheffler.

              The Jets have Jerricho Cotchery, Chansi Stuckey and Dustin Keller.

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              • I think that's a poor comparison considering everything that was surrounding the Favre situation as well as his age. Cutler doesn't HAVE to throw it 35 times a game to be effective, he's just had to so that they can be in the game. As a prospect, he'd be a very welcomed addition in my mind. But as a person, I don't think I'd want him. I just don't think he would do the team any favors chemistry-wise.

                As for Holt, well while I'd like a veteran WR in there that could actually teach them a thing or two, I don't think it's necessary and reports are that Holt wants to play in Carolina anyway. Really, I'd see no reason to overpay for another aging star that's said to have lingering knee problems. The transfer of knowledge from these veterans to the younger players isn't always as great as you'd hope either, and really, that's not showing a lot of faith in our coaching staff or the players themselves to be able to elevate their game.
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                • A couple of notes from myself:

                  -I go to Pitt and I really wouldn't like the move of McCoy. I mean I would be happy if we took him because of his Alum but I really dont think this is the type of running back we need. Leon is fully capable of that job and if we go after a RB, I prefer a guy who is 230-250 lbs of meat that can get short yards. I really don't want another screen pass running back. I also truly believe that we have bigger needs then running back at this moment. I seriously believe that if you want to have a 3rd, get someone who exceed the height of 6' because both of our running backs are 5' 10 (maybe). Plus, it is rumored that Rex wants to take Leon out of returning and use him more as a RB. So, I really dont feel its necessary to go after an RB, especially McCoy. He is one of the better backs in the draft, I really just don't really want another one. Though, in his defense, he is going to be a great West Coast offensive RB so for that reason we may. I just prefer the Meat and Potatoes this time.

                  -Torry Holt I feel would be a great acquisition. BUT, I wouldn't mind if we work with what we have (and the draft). Jerricho has slowly shown that he is a great receiver and may work harder then any receiver on the field. He is strong and really works great. We know what he can do. Though we haven't seen much of Stuckey, he can make a great slot because of his size and speed and with the right crew around him, he can find holes in defenses and make plays. And my personal favorite is Dustin Keller. I think this kid may have dropped a lot of balls this year and a couple were for touchdowns, but it was his rookie year so I'm cutting him slack. He is a great athlete and can really move around the field. I truly think he is going to have a really good year because if he can establish himself as a big guy receiver, he is going to make a lot of catches, especially in the Schottenheimer West-Coast-Esque offense. I think the Jets are going to take a close look at what is available at the time we can pick. If Maclin, Nicks, DHB, Harvin, or (doubtful) Crabtree are within an arms reach, it is a good possibility that we are going to get it. And I think Maclin is everyones preferred (or atleast im assuming) and there is a possibility we can get it. The one guy I want to stay away from is Harvin. His height and injuries scare me. While I can see the steve smith comparisons on how he is a deep threat etc., I really dont feel sold on him. So if we are drafting a receiver, Ill put the thumbs up (depending who and where).

                  -As for QB, its looking like we are working with what we got. So folks, remember the season when we had Brooks Bollinger, lets hope its not a repeat of that. I excited to see what goes on with Ratliff and Kellen and possibly the third guy (whoever it may be).

                  -My last comment is Larry Izzo? Really? I understand the 3-4 but we are talking about steroids, a cheater, and most of all an ex-pat. I dont know, its kinda like eating a broccoli flavored candy bar, just doesn't seem right


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                  • Originally posted by thetedginnshow View Post
                    I think that's a poor comparison considering everything that was surrounding the Favre situation as well as his age. Cutler doesn't HAVE to throw it 35 times a game to be effective, he's just had to so that they can be in the game. As a prospect, he'd be a very welcomed addition in my mind. But as a person, I don't think I'd want him. I just don't think he would do the team any favors chemistry-wise.
                    Cutler threw it 35+ times in 10 of 16 games this past year and out of the 6 he didn't, he threw it 33 or 34 times in half of them. To bring a QB with his arm to a team that doesn't have the pieces in place to make best (or even very good) use of it with the price tag that would be the "sexy" move. But not the responsible one. To me it is a good comparison. In Green Bay, Favre had a reliable receiver he could trust in Donald Driver and a speedster who could get down the field in Greg Jennings. In New York he had neither.

                    In Denver, Cutler had an assortment of tall receivers (Brandon Marshall and Tony Scheffler) and speedy receivers (Eddie Royal) who he, being the gunslinger that he is took full advantage of. Not really the same thing other than they both had receiving groups they could take advantage of in their respective teams that they didn't have (Favre) or wouldn't have (Cutler) in New York.

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                    • I like Cutler and would welcome him but highley doubt we get him. Anyway I was not a big fan of getting Holt so im kind of glade we wont go after him. Im with Rex on this we gotta work with our young guys. I like Clowney and Stucky. If we draft DHB/Maclin/Hicks/Britt I would be fine with our WRs.

                      1 Cotch
                      2 our rookie
                      3 Stucky
                      4 Clowney
                      plus Keller at TE I think that plus our run game is a very good offense.

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                      • Originally posted by Crickett View Post
                        Cutler threw it 35+ times in 10 of 16 games this past year and out of the 6 he didn't, he threw it 33 or 34 times in half of them. To bring a QB with his arm to a team that doesn't have the pieces in place to make best (or even very good) use of it with the price tag that would be the "sexy" move. But not the responsible one. To me it is a good comparison. In Green Bay, Favre had a reliable receiver he could trust in Donald Driver and a speedster who could get down the field in Greg Jennings. In New York he had neither.
                        I think you proved my point there. Again, Cutler was forced to throw the ball that many times because they didn't have a rushing attack or a defense that could keep them in games, so the only chance they had at winning was him passing that much. Roethlisberger threw it a ton in college too but he was put in a position where he doesn't have to. It's all about the situation. You'd think Flacco has the gunslinger mentality too if he didn't have to do virtually nothing this past season. We shouldn't discredit Cutler just because he's good. It's very possible for him to lead our team efficiently.

                        And I think it's funny you say Jennings is a speedster. He was one of my favorite players in college and now in the pros and he's never been a speedster. His great success in the pros has been due to his YAC ability, superior route running, and most of all, the slant route. He's almost exactly a Driver clone.

                        I don't want to argue too much about Cutler since I don't really see any possibility of us getting him and I'd much rather give up less for Sanchez or, you know, trust the guys on our roster, but still, I don't think anything about Cutler's on-field capabilities would be the reason for any sort of lack of success in New York.
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                        • Originally posted by thetedginnshow View Post
                          I think you proved my point there. Again, Cutler was forced to throw the ball that many times because they didn't have a rushing attack or a defense that could keep them in games, so the only chance they had at winning was him passing that much. Roethlisberger threw it a ton in college too but he was put in a position where he doesn't have to. It's all about the situation. You'd think Flacco has the gunslinger mentality too if he didn't have to do virtually nothing this past season. We shouldn't discredit Cutler just because he's good. It's very possible for him to lead our team efficiently.

                          And I think it's funny you say Jennings is a speedster. He was one of my favorite players in college and now in the pros and he's never been a speedster. His great success in the pros has been due to his YAC ability, superior route running, and most of all, the slant route. He's almost exactly a Driver clone.

                          I don't want to argue too much about Cutler since I don't really see any possibility of us getting him and I'd much rather give up less for Sanchez or, you know, trust the guys on our roster, but still, I don't think anything about Cutler's on-field capabilities would be the reason for any sort of lack of success in New York.

                          Roethlisberger didn't throw the ball a lot early in his career, but like Cutler he likes to throw the ball down the field and the Jets just don't have the receivers who can get down the field and make those. For years I heard people complain that Roethlisberger didn't throw the ball much, but at the same time I'd like at the stats and see

                          Ben Roethlisberger

                          10-16, 250 yards and 2 td's

                          Chad Pennington
                          30-39, 250 yards and 1 td.

                          I made up those numbers, but it gets the point across.

                          Cutler on the other hand, has pretty much always been a gunslinger since college. He was forced to do that more this year, but it played more into what his game is.

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                          • I really don't mind the Larry Izzo signing. Yeah the steroids thing sucks, but aside from that he seems like a great blue-collar guy. I know that's like saying "besides the murder, the suspect is a great guy!" but I feel that for Izzo it's true. He's a hard worker who is involved with a lot of charities and organizations for our troops.

                            Bringing in a veteran who provides depth at LB, which is always needed, and a great special teams presence is never a bad thing. I think that Izzo has a high character minus the 'roids thing. Let's say they cancel each other out haha.
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                            • Cutler's a solid player, I agree that we don't exactly have the right guys for him to have success and our WR's are pretty poor at this point but I'm sure we could put together a group of guys he could have success with. That said, it would be a lot harder to do it without all of the picks it would take to get him. I also think he's kind of a douche based on everything I've seen and heard so he's not exactly the kind of guy I'd want on the team. Really talented, but if he's getting traded by the Broncos there's a reason for it. How many teams give up a young potential franchise QB who has put up some really solid numbers if there's not something really bad going on underneath the surface?

                              We also just signed Howard Green to a one year deal. Should be competing to be our backup NT.
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                              • I guess an experienced 6'2'' 320 lbs defensive tackle is never a bad thing. Especially when he is just adding depth behind a pro-bowler. Looks like if we go DL in the draft it will be a DE. No sense in having 3 NTs
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