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  • I think Colston is a product of the system, but Jennings is the truth. People here would complain that he isn't a compliment to Cotch, but he's a great receiver.

    These are the receivers I say are unquestionably better than Braylon:

    Plaxico Burress
    Randy Moss
    Terrell Owens
    Larry Fitzgerald
    Anquan Boldin
    Brandon Marshall
    Calvin Johnson
    Roddy White
    Steve Smith
    Reggie Wayne
    Andre Johnson
    Hines Ward

    I think you could make a case for:

    Lee Evans
    Santana Moss
    Dwayne Bowe
    Vincent Jackson
    Greg Jennings
    Donald Driver
    T.J. Houshmandzadeh
    Chad Ochocinco
    Santonio Holmes
    Marques Colston
    Antonio Bryant

    So I mean, that's not necessarily a large list. In any case, I'm fairly sure Braylon is in his contract year, so anything but a conditional pick (contingent on production and if he re-signs) would be far too much. But really, he's had problems with drops all his career, even dating back to his Michigan days, and whether that's a confidence issue, a focus issue, or both, I think that alone makes him not worth it. Plus, he's had issues with injuries. And, while he wasn't terrible, he wasn't exactly a terrific teammate and we're all about team chemistry now. Beyond us being desperate, the only reason I see for bringing him is that we've had some success with the Wolverines players.
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    • Originally posted by msolimani View Post
      No way I give up a 1st for Colston or Jennings. Not even if I have more than one to give away. Colston's not exactly the prime example for consistency either, he had one solid year that got blown out of proportion because of where he came from, one awesome year, and then theres last year which was a big let down for fantasy owners everywhere.
      Career Stats more
      Season Team Receiving Rushing Fumbles
      G GS Rec Yds Avg Lng TD Att Yds Avg Lng TD FUM Lost
      2008 New Orleans Saints 11 6 47 760 16.2 70T 5 -- -- -- -- -- 1 0
      2007 New Orleans Saints 16 14 98 1,202 12.3 45 11 -- -- -- -- -- 1 1
      2006 New Orleans Saints 14 12 70 1,038 14.8 86T 8 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
      TOTAL 215 3,000 14.0 86 24 0 0 0.0 0 0 2 1

      These are Colston's career numbers. Two good years and one injured year where, for 11 games played, those are pretty good numbers.

      Now here are Braylon Edwards

      Career Stats more
      Season Team Receiving Rushing Fumbles
      G GS Rec Yds Avg Lng TD Att Yds Avg Lng TD FUM Lost
      2008 Cleveland Browns 16 16 55 873 15.9 70 3 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
      2007 Cleveland Browns 16 16 80 1,289 16.1 78T 16 -- -- -- -- -- 3 2
      2006 Cleveland Browns 16 15 61 884 14.5 75 6 3 7 2.3 8 0 -- --
      2005 Cleveland Browns 10 7 32 512 16.0 80T 3 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
      TOTAL 228 3,558 15.6 80 28 3 7 2.3 8 0 3 2


      A change of scenery might do good for Edwards, but it might not. Just the same, he's had one good year and he is in a contract year. Not enough to warrant a first, or really anything more than Thomas Jones straight up if that much.

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      • Originally posted by Crickett View Post
        A change of scenery might do good for Edwards, but it might not. Just the same, he's had one good year and he is in a contract year. Not enough to warrant a first, or really anything more than Thomas Jones straight up if that much.
        I feel like were saying the exact same thing. I don't think a first for Edwards would be a good move at all. I think where we differ is that I think Edwards can be a Top 10 WR with a change of scenery, maybe some new coaching or w/e will be able to solve his drops. Same with how Tiki Barber went from the ultimate fumbler to a top RB with the help of coaching.

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        • Lets all agree that Jones and a 1st for Edwards is out of the question. No one disputes that.

          How about the thought of Jones and a 3rd? How do people feel about something like that? I'm not saying this is what it would be, but people are focusing to much on a 1st rounder, so lets make it more reasonable, as we agree we wouldn't want that. Would this trade satisfy you? You get that #1 WR. You drafted a RB in the 3rd (possibly with the thought of trading Jones in mind) to replace his workload and remove somone who is over 30 and in a contract dispute. Edwards has his flaws, and given his only 1 real good season, we can't go soley off that, although the Browns certainly will. What is the happy medium that both sides would agree too? What is our breaking point?


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          • Originally posted by The Great Jonathan Vilma View Post
            Lets all agree that Jones and a 1st for Edwards is out of the question. No one disputes that.

            How about the thought of Jones and a 3rd? How do people feel about something like that? I'm not saying this is what it would be, but people are focusing to much on a 1st rounder, so lets make it more reasonable, as we agree we wouldn't want that. Would this trade satisfy you? You get that #1 WR. You drafted a RB in the 3rd (possibly with the thought of trading Jones in mind) to replace his workload and remove somone who is over 30 and in a contract dispute. Edwards has his flaws, and given his only 1 real good season, we can't go soley off that, although the Browns certainly will. What is the happy medium that both sides would agree too? What is our breaking point?
            Good question. I'd say Jones and a 3rd is fair. I know I'd be happy with it because from the looks of it if Jones did play for us this year he will most likely not resign with us and just finish out his contract. That said, it would be good to get some value out of him instead of just letting him go for nothing.

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            • Originally posted by The Great Jonathan Vilma View Post
              How about the thought of Jones and a 3rd? How do people feel about something like that? I'm not saying this is what it would be, but people are focusing to much on a 1st rounder, so lets make it more reasonable, as we agree we wouldn't want that. Would this trade satisfy you? You get that #1 WR. You drafted a RB in the 3rd (possibly with the thought of trading Jones in mind) to replace his workload and remove somone who is over 30 and in a contract dispute. Edwards has his flaws, and given his only 1 real good season, we can't go soley off that, although the Browns certainly will. What is the happy medium that both sides would agree too? What is our breaking point?
              Remember, the Jets may already owe their third rounder to Philly.

              The way I look at it, both of these guys are worth more to the team they already play for than the team they would be traded to.

              When the Browns drafted Robieski and Massaquoi, who are complementary receivers, that kind of shut the door for trading Edwards. With him, they've got a pretty good WR corps going at least on paper. Without him, they don't.

              On the other hand, being a 30 year old running back, the Jets are more likely to get more from Thomas Jones (being the AFC leading rusher) than for him.

              So no, I wouldn't want to trade an aging but still very productive running back who wants more money and a third round pick for a younger underperforming WR who wants more money.

              And if I were a Cleveland Browns fan, I wouldn't want to trade the lynch pin of the receiving group, ESPECIALLY after KWII was traded for an aging running back and a day 2 pick. Maybe if Donte hadn't killed someone. Maybe if KWII was still a Brown. But those are just maybe's and without Braylon, here is the Browns WR corps

              Brian Robieski
              Mohammad Massaquoi
              Mike Furrey
              David Patten (who will be 35 by the start of the season)
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              • If Shonn Greene ends up being good, that'd lead me to believe we're no longer bad at picking third rounders, and so then I'd say no. Granted, if we were to make the trade we'd do so before Greene ever saw a regular season game, but still. Just doesn't seem worth it to me. If Braylon goes anywhere, it's going to be a big market city, and having just drafted two receivers, I kind of feel like the Giants would be out of the question next off-season. With Rex's master recruiting skills, I don't see why he wouldn't just want to play for us anyway. So to me, I feel as though we'd be giving up a third rounder for no reason, simply to just help the Browns out considering Braylon's not going back there. Plus, the only reason to do this trade would be if we thought we were a star receiver away from the Super Bowl this season, which unless Kellen really steps up or Sanchez ends up being the truth, I don't see why we'd think that. And then there's all the negatives about Braylon. So yeah. I'd rather we just not make a trade.

                Honestly, if it was a one year deal, I'd much rather bring in a Plax for nothing than Braylon.
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                • I'd definitely agree that I'd rather bring in Plax for nothing than Braylon. Both have some questions surrounding them, but if Plax can play I'd want him.

                  One question I would have is with regard to compensation for Edwards. We're talking first round pick, third round pick, when I'd imagine it would have to be some sort of conditional pick. Seems like every pick for player trade Tannenbaum makes involves a conditional pick, and this one is certainly a good scenario for it. Do they extend him, do they not extend him, does he end up being a Pro Bowl player again, or does he get the dropsies? Something like a fourth that could move up to a second seems to make sense. Fourth if we don't extend him and he's average-good, third if he puts up big numbers, second if we extend him and he makes the Pro Bowl or something astronomical. The only problems would be they'd have to factor it around the Lito trade and obviously giving up another 2010 pick. Both are doable though.

                  I could see Tannenbaum trying to pull the trigger if Plax can't play this season, nobody steps up in training camp, and Sanchez starts. Otherwise I think he goes after Plax or stands pat. No need to get a wideout if one of the guys on the roster surprises, and they can let KC play without a stellar WR corps if he wins the job.

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                  • I just made a thread with some mini camp pictures I found. Probably should have just posted them in this thread but whatever.

                    Also read 2 articles on our 2 most impressive UDFAs (Westerman and Bullock)

                    http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/in...l_westerm.html

                    Former Rutgers defensive end-turned-linebacker Jamaal Westerman took roughly $12,000 less to sign with the Jets as an undrafted rookie free agent rather than another undisclosed NFL team.

                    It may be the best $12,000 Westerman never had.
                    In fact, in his first four practices at his new position, Westerman has been more impressive and instinctive than 2008 first-round pick Vernon Gholston, who made a similar switch last season. The 6-3, 260-pounder looks at ease dropping back in pass coverage and, of course, he can get after the quarterback.
                    http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/200...jnathan_b.html

                    Once Bullock decided to give the NFL a try, he had little time to spare. He trained for just 10 days and then had a Pro Day at the school. Sixteen NFL teams sent scouts, all with visions of former college basketball player turned Pro Bowl tight end Antonio Gates in their eyes.

                    The Jets were so intrigued they dispatched tight ends coach Mike Devlin and scout Brendan Prophett.
                    "You have to understand, J'Nathan impressed all those people and he didn't have time to train," said Waters, adding that Bullock is more athletic than Gates (6-4, 260 pounds). "You don't know what you might have in this kid....

                    "It would surprise me if it doesn't work out. J'Nathan is bright, strong, athletic and his hands are as big as two of yours."
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                    • This idea of Thomas Jones to the Browns is confusing me.
                      The Browns obviously aren't going to be making a run this year, so why give up a good, potentially-great, young talent in Edwards, for a RB who is turning 31 in August?

                      It just doesn't make sense to me...

                      It would be a great deal for you guys, though if you're able to pull off a Jones/3rd for him.


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                      • Originally posted by Bills2083 View Post
                        This idea of Thomas Jones to the Browns is confusing me.
                        The Browns obviously aren't going to be making a run this year, so why give up a good, potentially-great, young talent in Edwards, for a RB who is turning 31 in August?

                        It just doesn't make sense to me...
                        The only reason I can think of is all of the rumors than Mangini just doesn't want Braylon Edwards on his team.

                        Originally posted by Bills2083 View Post
                        It would be a great deal for you guys, though if you're able to pull off a Jones/3rd for him.
                        I think it would be a better deal for you guys (the Bills). The AFC leading rusher AND a mid round pick for an underperforming WR?

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                        • My roommate's best friend's older brother (i know i know) is the student football manager for USC. he has natl championship rings and ****. anyways he became good friend with multiple people on the team including Sanchez. since Sanchez doesn't know one person from the east coast he already said that he wants to hang with this kid a lot. soooo conceivably i could meet him!!!

                          i know roommate's best friend's older brother is like not a close friend, but my roommate lives 10 min from me and ive met his best friend. i told him that i would love to meet him, but would understand if i couldnt. he said at the very least an autograph which is very cool. im excited.
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                          • Originally posted by TimDris View Post
                            My roommate's best friend's older brother (i know i know) is the student football manager for USC. he has natl championship rings and ****. anyways he became good friend with multiple people on the team including Sanchez. since Sanchez doesn't know one person from the east coast he already said that he wants to hang with this kid a lot. soooo conceivably i could meet him!!!

                            i know roommate's best friend's older brother is like not a close friend, but my roommate lives 10 min from me and ive met his best friend. i told him that i would love to meet him, but would understand if i couldnt. he said at the very least an autograph which is very cool. im excited.
                            That's insanely awesome. Get a picture with him too so we can all collectively enjoy the awesomeness.

                            Also have him give a shout out to thetedginnshow...
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                            • Originally posted by TimDris View Post
                              My roommate's best friend's older brother (i know i know) is the student football manager for USC. he has natl championship rings and ****. anyways he became good friend with multiple people on the team including Sanchez. since Sanchez doesn't know one person from the east coast he already said that he wants to hang with this kid a lot. soooo conceivably i could meet him!!!
                              A friend of mine played high school football with D'Brickashaw Ferguson. But I never got to meet him. :(

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                              • I'm not sure if a meeting could actually happen, but my roommate said it is definitely a possibility. like when i think about it he's only 2 years older than me and if he's going to be hanging out 10 min from me, there could be a chance of us partying together.


                                maybe im getting too far ahead of myself. ill settle for some autographed **** first haha
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