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  • Originally posted by Hurricanes25 View Post
    Definately not. There are guys in this draft with higher upside that we can get late in this draft.
    Really? Like who? Anyone we draft in the 5th, 6th, or 7th would be happy to be on the team in a couple years. At 6'6 315 with 4 years of NFL coaching and playing under his belt, I'm not sure what about Montgomery doesn't scream upside.

    It'd be at least as good as the Starks signing the Phins made...

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    • Originally posted by SenorGato View Post
      Really? Like who? Anyone we draft in the 5th, 6th, or 7th would be happy to be on the team in a couple years. At 6'6 315 with 4 years of NFL coaching and playing under his belt, I'm not sure what about Montgomery doesn't scream upside.

      It'd be at least as good as the Starks signing the Phins made...
      Just a few guys who I think may be there late-

      Vince Oghobasse- Duke
      Jeff Owens- Georgia
      Al Woods- LSU
      Linval Joseph- ECU
      And two of my sleepers at the postion- Torrell Troup from Central Florida and Jay Ross from ECU.

      I wouldn't be mad if that trade actually happened but its just a trade that I wouldn't do.

      Edit: Just by looking at his numbers, what has he done that warrants a 4th round draft pick?
      Last edited by Hurricanes25; 02-25-2010, 12:57 PM.

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      • Originally posted by Hurricanes25 View Post
        Edit: Just by looking at his numbers, what has he done that warrants a 4th round draft pick?
        I think that is the most important point. While Senor Gato seemed to say that being semi experience by having 4 years of nfl coaching is a good thing. In reality, the fact that he hasn't produced at all in four years makes him worse than an unknown in that he hasn't progressed in his years in the league. Perhaps he is miscast in the Redskins system(I'm not familiar enough with the Redskins defense or his role in it) but he is not worthy of a fourth.

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        • Really, we should never give up draft picks for players. In our current predicament, we should be finding a way to get more.
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          • Originally posted by thetedginnshow View Post
            Really, we should never give up draft picks for players. In our current predicament, we should be finding a way to get more.
            I would never say never normally..but this year with so few picks and a big need for depth I don't think I would be on board with trading a pick away.

            BTW...Supposedly Antonio Cromartie is available and the Chargers may be looking for a RB in return. Doubt they do TJ for him straight up but what do you guys think of him? I know he is not a physical presence at all, but is a better cover corner and with our free agent handcuffs on it may be the best we can do now.
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            • Originally posted by jmess15 View Post
              I would never say never normally..but this year with so few picks and a big need for depth I don't think I would be on board with trading a pick away.

              BTW...Supposedly Antonio Cromartie is available and the Chargers may be looking for a RB in return. Doubt they do TJ for him straight up but what do you guys think of him? I know he is not a physical presence at all, but is a better cover corner and with our free agent handcuffs on it may be the best we can do now.
              He's a headcase. Unless we can get him for cheap as hell, I don't want him. He just seems so inconsistent considering in 07 he had 10 picks and seemed to be one of the top young corners in the league and then he has two lackluster years. I know he had a hip injury in 08 but still. Also Cromartie has 7 kids in five different states and has been named in several paternity suits in the last few years, I'm not sure this is a guy that will be focused on football.

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              • Originally posted by josh07039 View Post
                He's a headcase. Unless we can get him for cheap as hell, I don't want him. He just seems so inconsistent considering in 07 he had 10 picks and seemed to be one of the top young corners in the league and then he has two lackluster years. I know he had a hip injury in 08 but still. Also Cromartie has 7 kids in five different states and has been named in several paternity suits in the last few years, I'm not sure this is a guy that will be focused on football.
                I agree with you, might not be worth it normally, but with these restrictions we have on us it might be hard to do better. Not saying I am for it, but just don't think we can dismiss it as quickly as we normally would.
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                • Originally posted by Hurricanes25 View Post
                  Just a few guys who I think may be there late-

                  Vince Oghobasse- Duke
                  Jeff Owens- Georgia
                  Al Woods- LSU
                  Linval Joseph- ECU
                  And two of my sleepers at the postion- Torrell Troup from Central Florida and Jay Ross from ECU.

                  I wouldn't be mad if that trade actually happened but its just a trade that I wouldn't do.

                  Edit: Just by looking at his numbers, what has he done that warrants a 4th round draft pick?
                  Judging by numbers is hard because:

                  1. He hasn't started in 2 years.

                  2. He's a DT.

                  3. He's a young DT.

                  When he did start he was considered the Redskins best DT, and was pretty much a beast. Someone like Linval Joseph is a similar prospect to what Montgomery was coming out, except that Montgomery already has 4 years of NFL coaching and conditioning on him. We'd be hoping one of those guys shows his upside...though I'm a huge Oghobaase fan.

                  You give up the 4th on upside and potential, two things he has in spades. The 4th is because I'd rather give up a 2011 4th than the 2010 5th...though I'd give that up if it really came down to it.

                  I'm still down for Oghobaase, even if we were to land Montgomery.

                  Rebuilding the DL would be nice...Montgomery replaces Douglas...Oghobaase replaces Ellis in '11 or '12 if we don't play in '11. We then have youth, athleticism, power, and size on the DL with Jenkins anchoring...
                  Last edited by SenorGato; 02-26-2010, 09:40 PM.

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                  • one interesting thing i read this week is that those guys that do not receive a tender from their clubs are not considered UFAs so they will be eligible to be signed by the final 8 teams.

                    "If an RFA is not tendered, he's a free agent, but not a UFA," said NFL director of corporate communications Dan Masonson. "So Final Eight teams can sign him."

                    I haven't been keeping track all that much as to who was tendered and who was not, but atleast it opens us up to some more guys. I also read that in an uncapped year they can cut a guy at any time and not get the cap penalty. That being said they plan on atleast taking Gholston to camp before they decide to unload him.
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                    • As much as it's looking like Gholston is a bust, it just seems ridiculous to already cut a guy that is only 23 years old. I understand he has done absolutley nothing when he has been on the field (not that often), but to get rid of a 23 year, top ten pick after only two years is just absurd. I just think you need to see if another year under Ryan will make a difference because some guys just develop much slower than others and Ryan is a big time motivator. I mean, I find it very hard to believe that with all his athleticism, Ryan can't find a way to make him at least mildly productive whether it is with us or he shows enough to actually have trade value so we can get something for him.

                      While a part of me will feel a certain vindictive pleasure if we cut Gholston, in my head, I recognize that it is way too soon to give up.

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                      • Reading into the way they're talking, I feel like we're definitely going to be drafting a RB at some point unless we can get a cut player on the cheap.
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                        • Originally posted by josh07039 View Post
                          As much as it's looking like Gholston is a bust, it just seems ridiculous to already cut a guy that is only 23 years old. I understand he has done absolutley nothing when he has been on the field (not that often), but to get rid of a 23 year, top ten pick after only two years is just absurd. I just think you need to see if another year under Ryan will make a difference because some guys just develop much slower than others and Ryan is a big time motivator. I mean, I find it very hard to believe that with all his athleticism, Ryan can't find a way to make him at least mildly productive whether it is with us or he shows enough to actually have trade value so we can get something for him.

                          While a part of me will feel a certain vindictive pleasure if we cut Gholston, in my head, I recognize that it is way too soon to give up.
                          I agree that it is too soon to cut the guy, but with the uncapped year possibly enabling a team to cut a guy and not have dead cap space may be a way out of bad contracts that you normally wouldnt have been able to free yourself of.
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                          • Looks like TJ is getting cut...too bad he worked very hard for us. I know he is on the wrong side of the RB curve but I think he had one more productive year left (especially if he shares the laod with a guy liek Greene). I thought with an uncapped year (hence no need to cut him for cap purposes) and the limited ability to replace him (final 4 restrictions) I thought we'd keep him.

                            I know its a business and teams that think with their hearts tend not to win, but it seems a bit cold to say, "thanks for 2,800 yards the last 2 years but don't let the door hit you in the a$$".
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                            • Decision to cut Thomas Jones doesn't sit well in Jets' locker room

                              "I can tell you, it's not going to be a popular move in the locker room," the New York Daily News quotes one unnamed player as saying. "We loved T.J. The man loved the game and put it all on the line only to get dumped after his best season. I think you should reward players for performance. You dump him but give Vernon [Gholston] another shot? Doesn't make sense."

                              Said offensive lineman Brandon Moore, "A passionate guy like that, with the intensity he brought at certain points in the game, it ignited sparks in everybody. You would've liked to have kept a guy like that."

                              And offensive lineman Damien Woody added, "Some players bring things to the table that you can't put a price on, and T.J. is one of those guys."

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                              • Other than the quote from the unnamed player, that doesn't seem like such a bad backlash. Moore and Woody both seem like they are sorry to see TJ go and they respect him, but they don't seem too disgruntled about it. From a locker room standpoint, I think this story is overblown. Every year there are a couple controversial cuts, but the vast majority of players understand that these things are just business. I wonder who the anonymous coward is though.

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