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  • #16
    Originally posted by stillaraiderfan
    Originally posted by jmanz
    Originally posted by stillaraiderfan
    Very nice, Oak vs Den this week and also me vs njx in fantasy football.

    I would make a wager on these, if the Raiders didn't suck so badly.
    hmmm, do you have a lot of the raiders players on your fantasy team?
    I don't have any Raiders, but I do have Doug Gabriel though! My fantasy team isn't doing so great either, 11 out of 14. (njx last place)
    Somehow I don't feel sorry for njx9 aka the raider basher

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    • #17
      He's going to break stupid little Dumervil's face, just watch.

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      • #18
        Not to mention Moss burning Champ for 2-3 touchdowns. 8)

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        • #19
          that would involve moss trying, which you should know by now won't happen

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          • #20
            no doubt, can we trade him straight up for Javon? We could probably throw in Whitted for ya too.

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            • #21
              No because Whitted at least try give them randal Williams he's a waste.


              Thanks to jackalope

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              • #22
                Originally posted by portermvp84
                No because Whitted at least try give them randal Williams he's a waste.
                ok you convinced me, that works.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by jmanz
                  Not to mention Moss burning Champ for 2-3 touchdowns. 8)
                  You mean TDs dropped? I can't really argue with that. TDs caught? Doubtful. He didn't get up for last Denver game, what makes you think he'll get up for this one?

                  Oldie but a goodie.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by nobodyinparticular
                    Originally posted by jmanz
                    Not to mention Moss burning Champ for 2-3 touchdowns. 8)
                    You mean TDs dropped? I can't really argue with that. TDs caught? Doubtful. He didn't get up for last Denver game, what makes you think he'll get up for this one?
                    I was being most sarcastic. If the offense scored one touchdown in any fashion, I'd be surprised at this point.

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                    • #25
                      Lamont needs to get more yards last denver game he had around 60 thanks to those penalties. I wanna see a hundred yard game out of him.


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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Scott Wright
                        As I mentioned in my blog the other day it's kind of crazy that the Raiders o-line is so bad because they have invested draft picks there, including a lot of high ones. So if you ask me the problem then comes down to either coaching or scouting. I am inclined to say coaching isn't the problem because they have had two coaching staffs with the same problem and now there are Hall of Fame o-linemen trying to whip them into shape. That leaves poor scouting as the reason for me...
                        I would say poor coaching actually. These guys do have talent. Just as Scott Wright about Robert Gallery and Jake Grove. (that would be you) And Langston Walker was very highly rated as well when we drafted him. Kevin Boothe has actually been playing well and Sims... Well, he actually was performing well under Kromer.

                        The Raiders' offensive line needs 1 of 2 things. They need more time. Or they need a new coaching staff. After going out and drafting Boothe and McQuistan this year, they've got 4 offensive linemen with less than 3 full years of service time, and a fifth with just a year or two more in Langston Walker. In those 3 years, Grove, Gallery and Walker have actually had 4 offensive line coaches. They had Aaron Kromer in 2004, Jim Colletto in 2005 and now they have Jackie Slater (Hall of Fame player, not coach) and Irv Eatman (Pro Bowl player, but not necessarily a good coach), not to mention Art Shell trying to jump in and "help" them out when he has the chance.

                        Under Kromer, the offensive line that consisted of Sims at LT, Brad Badger at LG, Adam Treu/Jake Grove at C, Ron Stone at RG and Robert Gallery the rookie at RT gave up only 30 sacks on the whole season--and that's with Mr. Immobility Jr. Kerry Collins at QB for every single game after halftime in Week 3. (Sr. being Drew Bledsoe) That was good for 6th in the league.

                        Then, under Jim Colletto, with the same personnell, the offensive line gave up a total of 45 sacks--that's 15 extra sacks, good for an extra 50%--dropping the unit down to 24th in the league, tied with such offensive line powerhouses as Cleveland and Arizona.

                        Now, under the "Hall of Famers and Pro Bowlers" the Raiders have reached a total of 44 sacks halfway through the season. They have completely shifted the line around, but with such "great coaches" you would expect them to be able to at least get something out of little or no talent right? So far they have been able to get the least amount of results with nearly the same talent that Aaron Kromer and Jim Colletto had.

                        Oh, and did I mention that the Raiders ranked last in rushing yards and rushing attempts in 2004? They didn't even try to fool the opposing defenses that they were running the football, ranking 4th in passing attempts with 582.

                        So adding in the failed pass attempts that ended in sacks, they had the QB drop back 612 times. The sack rate per pass play was once every 20.4. That was definitely among the best in the league.

                        In 2005, the Raiders' offense was once again pass happy, ranking 6th in pass attempts with 591. They actually ranked 5th in pass plays when adding their sacks allowed into the equation. The sack rate per play under coach Jim Colletto dropped to a less than stellar 14.1. And once again, the Raiders ranked near last in the league in rushing attempts at 31, and 29th in rushing yards.

                        This year, under the "Hall of Famers and Pro Bowler" the Raiders rushing attack ranks middle of the pack, at 18 in yards per game and 23 in attempts. Certainly not a "grind-it-out" offense, but definitely an improvement on the ground over the last two years, but it certainly hasn't been fooling the opposing pass rushers. Ranking 2nd to last in pass attempts, the Raiders are giving up a sack once every 5.8 pass plays. That makes Jim Colletto's 24th ranked unit look like All-Pros.

                        But wait, these are nearly identical units... The only new player is Kevin Boothe, and he has been doing arguably the best job of all the 5 of them, so we can't really blame it on the talent, now can we? If we can't blame it on the talent the players have, we can't bring out the argument that the ineptitude of this offensive line is caused by poor scouting.

                        So assuming that you are correct Scott, and the Raiders' offensive line problems stem from one of two things, we must then assume that the Raiders have a poor offensive line because the Raiders' offensive line has poor coaching.

                        If you want visual evidence of this, watch the Raiders' offensive line during the game, particularly Robert Gallery and Jake Grove. They have had five different voices in their ears over the course of two and a half years. From the second they get set on the line to the end of the play, watch their faces--their eyes in particular. They are out there trying to think. It's like they have a calculus problem they are trying to work out in their heads. On the football field, especially on the offensive line, the last thing you should have to be doing is thinking. This is caused by two things. First, it would be caused by the previously stated lack of continuity in their coaches. And secondly, it would be caused by an extremely difficult style of coaching that they are attempting to learn this year. Likely, I would say it is a combination of both of these factors.

                        By these numbers, one could argue that the talent is not the problem, the talent is there because it is the same talent that was one of the best units in pass protection just two years ago, but rather that it is a problem with coaching. Thus, the best solution may not be the easy solution of draft or signing a completely new offensive line, but rather the tough solution of taking the time to let this unit get used to this coaching staff and style of blocking.

                        Oldie but a goodie.

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                        • #27
                          firewalsh.blogspot.com

                          My blog!

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                          • #28
                            And NIP: I mentioned that on another forum, how Kromer actually had our so called offensive (more like girls line) line doing pretty good.

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                            • #29
                              Re: well....

                              Originally posted by Komp
                              Well we know the D will play well, probably even better than last week. But if we can't score on Seattle, I don't know how we are gonna score on Denver. Maybe Moss won't feel like playing hot potato this week....

                              As for the OL, I don't know enough about the position to really know what is wrong. My guess is the lack of coaching stability within the organization has adversely affected their development.
                              Denvers Defense is decimated with injuries...We have a chance, especially with the game being at home.

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                              • #30
                                Re: well....

                                Originally posted by locseti
                                Originally posted by Komp
                                Well we know the D will play well, probably even better than last week. But if we can't score on Seattle, I don't know how we are gonna score on Denver. Maybe Moss won't feel like playing hot potato this week....

                                As for the OL, I don't know enough about the position to really know what is wrong. My guess is the lack of coaching stability within the organization has adversely affected their development.
                                Denvers Defense is decimated with injuries...We have a chance, especially with the game being at home.
                                There is always a chance I spose.....we held them down decently earlier at their house.

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