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  • Eagles 2008 Offseason (+ Draft) Thread

    Since we're over halfway through this season, it's never a bad time to start discussing 2008. Let's go!



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  • #2
    Does anyone else get the feeling I do that this is going to be one of the more active offseasons in Eagles history? The team is looking at a very realistic possibility of entering next season without the coach and QB who led them to one of the greatest 5-6 year periods in team history. The speculation surrounding Reid and McNabb will probably be off the charts. Add to that key positions are aging, and it's hard to ignore the fact that the team needs to find a playmaker at WR.

    There are just so many questions in my head right now it's hard to sort everything out. Reid has more than a reasonable excuse to retire at the end of the season, but will he? If the team continues to struggle how much of a chance exists for McNabb to be traded? Do the two situations depend on each other? For instance, if McNabb were to continue to struggle and end up being traded, can Reid commit to the rebuilding process that would ensue? Or, if Reid announced his resignation at seasons end would McNabb even want to stick around? These are just a few of the questions I have about Reid/McNabb. I could probably write a doctorate with the questions I have about the rest of the team. I'm sure you guys could too.

    Of course, the easy answer is that the team could always turn around and go 7-1 or 8-0 and make it back to the playoffs. That would be easy at least!

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    • #3
      play Kolb, might as well see what you have. Nabb, people know he is average because he gets injured and can reuin your season. But if he is healthy he can take you far, just make sure you have a good backup.

      Teams to take him:
      Miami
      Atl
      SF
      Chi
      KC
      Minn

      I wonder who the eagles would pick up in the FA, for Nabb they probably get a 2nd and 3rd for next year and a player maybe

      Qb-backup maybe Pennington, Culpepper, Byron,
      Rb-where good, i want to see how Hunt, is before we resign Buck
      WR- we need a gamebreaker, D. Jackson, maybe a late round guy on purely numbers like his 40.
      OL- T, pickup someone in FA and Draft have some competition. Ruyan is going to be leaving, Thomas i think would come a bit cheaper, and still is pretty good. Had less injuries then Runyan
      DE- get rid of Kearse, maybe Thomas keep him for depth though.
      DT-we are good here
      OLB- hmm I got no idea here, Gocong and Spikes, and we drafted Bradley.
      MLB-Gaither is doing good, draft someone if we want to bump him back outside after Spikes leaves.
      Cb-Get a 6'1 or 6'2 corner that can play press coverage a really physical corner, that can play 1 on 1. We need to cover Burgess and T.O., somehow.
      S- Mikel fit in good, but isn't a solution, We need to get Kenny Phillips, loosing Dawk on D made a huge difference.

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      • #4
        They will be lucky to get a 3rd or 4th, and no player. Thats why he will probably end up staying in Philadelphia. No one is going to give you a 2nd round pick for McNabb. If I were the Eagles I would let Kolb start the rest of the games. If he looks good then you can have McNabb and Kolb going after the starting job next year. I dont know if McNabb would like to be a backup, but he has shown nothing this year to prove that he is going to bring the Eagles franchise anywhere. Get Kolbs feet wet even if they have a 6-10 season next year, and get a good pick. Then the following year when Kolb has a year under him is the year you can really grade him. If I were the Eagles I would really try to draft Desean Jackson. He could fill the spot for PR and KR and really be a threat at the WR position.
        Originally posted by nvot9
        I'm going to personally PM you when the Mets win the NL East and the Phillies don't even make the playoffs.

        Phillies 2007 NL East Champions & Back to Back MVP Award Winners.
        Indianapolis Colts 13-3
        Philadelphia Flyers 19-14-4 = 42 points
        Philadelphia 76ers 14-18
        Coach Bob Huggins 10-2

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        • #5
          The Eagles are too loyal to McNabb and to their future to let Kolb get his snaps in. Their loyalty helps them in a lot of cases, but they will also be hindered by not knowing what Kolb can do. Another possible scenario here is that Kolb is just not ready yet. The transition from a spread system offense to Andy Reid's WCO is difficult. Kolb has a lot of work to do. Maybe not ideal to get him embarrassed and lacking confidence...



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          • #6
            Biggest off-season needs?

            DE- I'm assuming Kearse and Howard are both let go as they should.
            Possible replacements: Calais Campbell, Terrell Suggs, Justin Smith

            OT- Thomas and Runyan are both getting old. I think Justice will be fine at RT, leaving us with a need for a young LT.
            Possible replacements: Sam Baker, Phil Loadholt, Jeff Otah, Jordan Gross

            TE- LJ Smith is gone, and Brent Celek is probably a better #2 as a blocking TE.
            Possible replacements: Fred Davis, John Carlson, Martellus Bennett, Eric Johnson

            WR- For the love of God, get someone decent.
            Possible replacements: Randy Moss, Bernard Berrian, DeSean Jackson, Patrick Crayton

            Could use depth at DT and CB as well.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by bsaza2358 View Post
              The Eagles are too loyal to McNabb and to their future to let Kolb get his snaps in. Their loyalty helps them in a lot of cases, but they will also be hindered by not knowing what Kolb can do. Another possible scenario here is that Kolb is just not ready yet. The transition from a spread system offense to Andy Reid's WCO is difficult. Kolb has a lot of work to do. Maybe not ideal to get him embarrassed and lacking confidence...
              Preseason Week 1 Kolb 11-20, 77 yards, 0 TD's, 0 Ints
              Preseason Week 2 Kolb 11-16, 78 yards, 0 TD's, 0 Ints
              Preseason Week 3 Kolb 25-37, 248 yards, 1TD, 0 Ints
              Preseason Week 4 Kolb 22-33, 220 yards, 1TD, 0 Ints

              I would say if he could go a combined 69-106, 623 yards, 2 TD's, and 0 Int's in the preseason by now if he didnt before he has Andy Reids system down. What else can you ask from a rookie QB in the preseason other then what he did? I dont think Kolb would get embarrassed at all if you put him out there for the next 3 games. Being loyal to McNabb is just plain stupid IMO because you and I both know if the right deal comes up for McNabb then hes gone. So what happens next year? Are you just going to throw Kolb out there without getting any starts this season because you want to be loyal to somebody that didnt lead you to the playoffs the previous season?
              Originally posted by nvot9
              I'm going to personally PM you when the Mets win the NL East and the Phillies don't even make the playoffs.

              Phillies 2007 NL East Champions & Back to Back MVP Award Winners.
              Indianapolis Colts 13-3
              Philadelphia Flyers 19-14-4 = 42 points
              Philadelphia 76ers 14-18
              Coach Bob Huggins 10-2

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              • #8
                Andy Reid doesn't gameplan or make real adjustments in the preseason. He just calls plays and lets his guys go do their thing. For the most part, Kolb went against second and third (sometimes 4th) stringers. Kolb is still adjusting, and he has limited rapport with the first string WR's and Westbrook. Making that kind of shift is incredibly difficult.

                It also drives down Donovan's value significantly. It tells everyone that McNabb is finished in Philly, so they'll get absolutely nothing for him. Also, McNabb is a bit of a baby about status. If he got benched for Kolb now, he'd destroy the lockerroom. Also would affect his value and could carry over to 2008.



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                • #9
                  Originally posted by bsaza2358 View Post
                  Andy Reid doesn't gameplan or make real adjustments in the preseason. He just calls plays and lets his guys go do their thing. For the most part, Kolb went against second and third (sometimes 4th) stringers. Kolb is still adjusting, and he has limited rapport with the first string WR's and Westbrook. Making that kind of shift is incredibly difficult.

                  It also drives down Donovan's value significantly. It tells everyone that McNabb is finished in Philly, so they'll get absolutely nothing for him. Also, McNabb is a bit of a baby about status. If he got benched for Kolb now, he'd destroy the lockerroom. Also would affect his value and could carry over to 2008.
                  Well if keeping McNabb quiet in the locker room means that much to the team then he shouldnt be on the team. Someone should slap him in the mouth, and tell him hes stealing money. Its no secret the offense has scored 2 or fewer touchdowns in 9 of Mcnabbs 11 starts, but scored 7 touchdowns in Feelys 2 starts. His value is already terrible. They are only going to get a 3rd or 4th rounder for him. Its not like if they start him the rest of the season they might get a 1 or 2 because thats not happening. Reid should stop worrying about loyality, and start thinking about his own future and the teams future instead of making someone on his team happy.
                  Originally posted by nvot9
                  I'm going to personally PM you when the Mets win the NL East and the Phillies don't even make the playoffs.

                  Phillies 2007 NL East Champions & Back to Back MVP Award Winners.
                  Indianapolis Colts 13-3
                  Philadelphia Flyers 19-14-4 = 42 points
                  Philadelphia 76ers 14-18
                  Coach Bob Huggins 10-2

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                  • #10
                    Something I never understood...why, on a team that throws 35-40 times per game, is there not a single good receiver? And why doesn't this team put a premium on wideouts?

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                    • #11
                      yeah, fine throw all game, but at least throw to some good WRs, what the hell are you thinking.

                      I would love to get Crayton in, but then we would have a surplus of WR, Reggie should he could be good with accurate throws from feeley. DeSaun Jackson is another WR the eagless should get, they need a speed guy, a game change and game breaker. Or at least use him for STs. If we were to get both WRs, i think Lewis and Brown would be out. Hank Baskett I don't wat would happen with him or Avant.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by bhaarat316 View Post
                        yeah, fine throw all game, but at least throw to some good WRs, what the hell are you thinking.

                        I would love to get Crayton in, but then we would have a surplus of WR, Reggie should he could be good with accurate throws from feeley. DeSaun Jackson is another WR the eagless should get, they need a speed guy, a game change and game breaker. Or at least use him for STs. If we were to get both WRs, i think Lewis and Brown would be out. Hank Baskett I don't wat would happen with him or Avant.
                        No chance Brown is out. He signed a lengthy contract extension.

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                        • #13
                          After all the dicussion about loyalty and McNabb does anyone else get the strong feeling that he will be returning in 2008 with job in hand? It doesn't look like Kolb will get in any snaps during the final 3 games which, to me, means the team is leaning toward McNabb's return in 2008. It wouldn't be hard for them to justify his return. All they have to say is something along the lines of, "It's only just been a little over a year since his injury and it wouldn't be fair to him or the team if he weren't the QB next year." That and the possibilities of a good deal for him seem to be drying up. About 3 weeks ago you could confidently say that Atlanta, Chicago, Minnesota, KC, Miami and SF were possible suitors and may offer something good. But now it looks like Rex Grossman has won himself another year of play, and Tarvaris Jackson(and Croyle to a lesser degree) are showing signs of their potential. That only leaves Miami, Atlanta and San Francisco. Assuming the FO is looking for a deal that includes a 1st rounder for the 08 draft then I think it's safe to remove both Miami and SF from contention; we all know SF #1 pick goes to NE, and Miami will have the #1 overall and there's no way they trade the #1 overall for McNabb(not to mention Beck is already there). Out of the "obvious" teams, with the exception of Atlanta, there is 0 to little chance of the FO getting a deal they want. Possible dark horses, just to throw names around(and still VERY VERY unlikely), are Baltimore, Carolina and Detroit.

                          Just some thoughts.

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                          • #14
                            ^^
                            Baltomore is actually sensable Steve McNair was injured and before that he was having a very underwelming season and Kyle Boller's contract is going to expire if I am not mistaken.
                            Carolina is also having similar problems with David Carr and Jake Delohmme
                            Lions could for sure be a contender if Jon Kitna retires

                            however there is a strong possibility that even if we want to rid our selves of Mcnabb that we will get stuck with him because of the amount of goof QBs in the draft

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                            • #15
                              Kenny Phillips. 'Nuff said

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