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  • #46
    Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
    I understand that. But who is Donovan's first read? For Peyton it was Marvin (Z), for Warner/Bulger it was Holt (X)... etc.
    I assume that depends on the play calling, but maybe your question is over my head, too.


    From the preseason games it certainly looks like the play calling is heavily favoring Desean w/end arounds on top of passing targets. In my book that makes him the #1 target.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by D-Unit View Post
      I understand that. But who is Donovan's first read? For Peyton it was Marvin (Z), for Warner/Bulger it was Holt (X)... etc.
      It all depends on the play. I know this sounds redundant, and it is, but you have reads based off of your play call and what you see in the defense. As for first read, in many passing situations the reads are from the left hand side of the field to the right, and then back to the left, its the natural way for a right handed QB, so whoever is farthest to the left is technically the first read. Donovan is known for distribution, and doesn't single guys out, but for the forseeable, DeSean will be perceived as our #1 because he will have the most impact, (Receptions, yards, whatever you want it to entail) though he may not always be the target or first read.
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      • #48
        Originally posted by u8pp View Post
        Well, as long as you weren't one of those who said they'd rather have Beanie Wells over Donald Brown or LeSean McCoy.
        Nope, for me it was Moreno, then Brown and McCoy (real close, liked them both a lot) and then Beanie...
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        • #49
          eaglesalltheway, you're basically 100% correct about Desean. The only thing that was a fluke about last year was that he only got into the endzone like 3 times. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets 2td's in game 1. Easily good for 10 td's next year. You simply cannot play him man-on-man. I don't think McNabb really realized how good or fast Desean was last year. Even at the end of the year, in the NFC championship game when Desean beat Cromartie, McNabb underthrew the ball. Fortunately, Desean bailed him out by coming up with the nice catch. Don't get me wrong, McNabb made a great read, but just a bit underthrown. Regarding going over the middle, obviously, anyone who actually watched the Eagles last year knows he's can run all of the routes and can effectively go over the middle. That's not even a topic up for debate, at least not a serious debate. What I don't think most realize is that Desean is MUCH smarter than people realize. After securing the ball, he's excellent at preparing for the hit. I'd bet an awful of money that's something he has practiced quite a bit (amonst many things I believe he has practiced). That's just one example of the many small things that Desean is very, very good at. As an Eagles fan, you probably know what I'm talking about. The idea that he's a naturally gifted athlete (or just relying on speed) is non-sense. Nobody, especially at his size, gets that good at all of those little things without lots and lots of practice.

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          • #50
            ^^
            Wow, I like DeSean but wow... IDK about all of that.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by mellojello View Post
              eaglesalltheway, you're basically 100% correct about Desean. The only thing that was a fluke about last year was that he only got into the endzone like 3 times. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets 2td's in game 1. Easily good for 10 td's next year. You simply cannot play him man-on-man. I don't think McNabb really realized how good or fast Desean was last year. Even at the end of the year, in the NFC championship game when Desean beat Cromartie, McNabb underthrew the ball. Fortunately, Desean bailed him out by coming up with the nice catch. Don't get me wrong, McNabb made a great read, but just a bit underthrown. Regarding going over the middle, obviously, anyone who actually watched the Eagles last year knows he's can run all of the routes and can effectively go over the middle. That's not even a topic up for debate, at least not a serious debate. What I don't think most realize is that Desean is MUCH smarter than people realize. After securing the ball, he's excellent at preparing for the hit. I'd bet an awful of money that's something he has practiced quite a bit (amonst many things I believe he has practiced). That's just one example of the many small things that Desean is very, very good at. As an Eagles fan, you probably know what I'm talking about. The idea that he's a naturally gifted athlete (or just relying on speed) is non-sense. Nobody, especially at his size, gets that good at all of those little things without lots and lots of practice.
              There are some things here that I agree with, and about him knowing how to take a hit is one of them. For the most part, he is able to absorb hits well or plain avoid them, much like Marvin Harrison has done throughout his career. He could improve in some areas there, as he will get lit up every once in a while, but it is something he will get with age. It is also obvious his work ethic is very good, and I don't think he gets the credit he deserves easier. He needed to work on route running during the draft process, so he worked with Jerry Rice and now route running is a strength of his. He had problems beating the jam at times last season, he has greatly improved that. He finds his weaknesses and works on them, that is one of the many things I like about DeSean.
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              • #52
                Originally posted by eaglesalltheway View Post
                There are some things here that I agree with, and about him knowing how to take a hit is one of them. For the most part, he is able to absorb hits well or plain avoid them, much like Marvin Harrison has done throughout his career. He could improve in some areas there, as he will get lit up every once in a while, but it is something he will get with age. It is also obvious his work ethic is very good, and I don't think he gets the credit he deserves easier. He needed to work on route running during the draft process, so he worked with Jerry Rice and now route running is a strength of his. He had problems beating the jam at times last season, he has greatly improved that. He finds his weaknesses and works on them, that is one of the many things I like about DeSean.
                I'm not there at the practices, so honestly, I'm more interested on what you don't agree with. Let me know your thoughts. Just one comment about the Jerry Rice comment: Desean worked with Jerry Rice for three weeks and at Desean's Pro Day workout, Jerry mentioned that Desean was an excellent route runner, an opinion of him I held prior to him ever getting together with Rice. While I don't think it hurt Desean working with Rice, Rice deserves little credit for Desean being the route runner he is. I've stated for well before the draft that he was easily the best/most polished WR in his class.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by mellojello View Post
                  I'm not there at the practices, so honestly, I'm more interested on what you don't agree with. Let me know your thoughts. Just one comment about the Jerry Rice comment: Desean worked with Jerry Rice for three weeks and at Desean's Pro Day workout, Jerry mentioned that Desean was an excellent route runner, an opinion of him I held prior to him ever getting together with Rice. While I don't think it hurt Desean working with Rice, Rice deserves little credit for Desean being the route runner he is. I've stated for well before the draft that he was easily the best/most polished WR in his class.
                  Agreed for sure, he needed some improvement in his route running coming in, but it wasn't a weakness, but Rice certainly helped him in that area a lot. What I was disagreeing with was the confidence in 2 TDs week one (it can happen, I'm not as confident in that as you seem though) and 10+ TDs on the year. That may be tough for him due to his less than ideal height in the red zone, and due to the fact that we have so many weapons to turn to that can score for us.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by eaglesalltheway View Post
                    Agreed for sure, he needed some improvement in his route running coming in, but it wasn't a weakness, but Rice certainly helped him in that area a lot. What I was disagreeing with was the confidence in 2 TDs week one (it can happen, I'm not as confident in that as you seem though) and 10+ TDs on the year. That may be tough for him due to his less than ideal height in the red zone, and due to the fact that we have so many weapons to turn to that can score for us.
                    Ok, at least we're having a sensible conversation. Some of the misinformation you were responding to was like they weren't even talking about Desean or had really never seen him play. Obviously, I wouldn't bet the farm that he scores 2td's in game one, but I was trying to make the point that Desean really is that good and that I would not at all be shocked if it happened. Donavan is a great QB and he's going to take what the defense gives him and you're right, there are a lot of options on the Eagles. Unless he gets injured, I'll stand by my prediction that he gets into the endzone 10+ times this year, despite recognizing that he's not the ideal tall, WR red-zone target. Desean was just warming up last year...:) Good luck to your team this year.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Thumper View Post
                      ^^
                      Wow, I like DeSean but wow... IDK about all of that.
                      I'm confident time will prove me right, but since I'm a dipshit, so there's no way I could know what I'm talking about...

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by mellojello View Post
                        I'm confident time will prove me right, but since I'm a dipshit, so there's no way I could know what I'm talking about...
                        Why have I never responded with anything like this? It fits me perfectly and I can have a sense of humor like this...
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by eaglesalltheway View Post
                          Why have I never responded with anything like this? It fits me perfectly and I can have a sense of humor like this...
                          Dude, you have wayyyyyyyy more patience for misinformation than I do. Desean Jackson is a one trick pony like Steve Smith or Santana Moss is a one trick pony.

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                          • #58
                            Its prolly because I'm jsut relaxed about almost anything that happens, internet or elsewhere, but there are times where I just have enough, and I don't really get upset unless it is a special case or there are "personal attacks" involved, but I'm just a chill kind of person, so for the most part, It doesn't bother me.
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                            • #59
                              mellojello, you push things to the brink, you're opinions aren't wrong but you're something of an internet extremist. But from what I can grasp from you, you're a Cal fan and it shows. You've homered DeSean Jackson out to the point where even I can't support you, and I'm an Eagles homer. To say that he is easily good for 10 touchdowns is ridiculous, I can't get behind that. 10 all purpose touchdowns would even be a huge stretch. I like the guy and I truly think he is the best receiver the Eagles have had in a long while but I don't know if he will ever top 10 receiving touchdowns in a season to be completely honest.

                              And you act as if he is perfect, DeSean is not perfect, not even close. Maybe you're still stuck watching Cal film, but this is the NFL. DeSean can be jammed at the line, he can be rattled, he is inconsistent and he has questionable hands. Just watch the Eagles games, he is still extremely exciting, but he caught only 55% of passes thrown in his direction, he was rattled by Carlos Rogers and Laron Landry big time. He dropped game winning touchdowns against the Redskins and he was absolutely jaw dropping one week and invisible the next. These things will become better as he grows as a player, but remember, we are still talking about a young player who still has a lot of room to improve.

                              I REALLY like DeSean and I truly think he will be the next Steve Smith/Santana Moss but I don't think he is there yet. DeSean is truly on another level, when he runs everyone else looks like they're in slow motion and he can juke any player in the game with ease. He is IMO one of the best young receivers in the game and he is better than Royal, Avery and the Dolphin's receiver and will be far and away the best receiver from the 2008 draft. I think he is already better than most speedy receivers like Ted Ginn Jr. and Devin Hester along with a few others that I missed. He is a future star and I am hoping for 75 receptions, 1000 yards and 6 touchdowns this year as a realistic goal for him. But please be realistic about it, he is not the best ever like you seem to think, he can be jammed, he can be played in man to man and he is not easily good for 10 touchdowns.

                              Plus, lets not jinx it just look at Michael Clayton.
                              Last edited by Thumper; 08-31-2009, 09:29 PM.

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                              • #60
                                On another Note I got Desean on my Fantasy Team along with the rest of the eagles!!! WOOOOO Homerism in fantasy never backfires.

                                Thanks Eaglez.Fan

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