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  • We're underrated... and I love it.

    in the NFL section..

    we're #11 with the Bengals, Bears, Eagles, Cowboys, Broncos around..

    I think we're top 5 or 6...

    However, we'll see how we do this season.. we won't be 3rd in the division.. at worst, 2nd.

    I can't wait for this season to start.

    Yeah, I play WoW too.[/CENTER]

  • #2
    The Ravens won't repeat, I think we'll split with you and we have been successful vs. the Ravens of late while they destroyed you all last year... While biased (obviously), I think it's the Bengals division to win. Baltimore won't have the luck/health/schedule they had last year, I'm not sure what to expect from you all this year. I could easily see the Bengals/Steelers making the playoffs while the Ravens miss out.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by PalmerToCJ View Post
      The Ravens won't repeat, I think we'll split with you and we have been successful vs. the Ravens of late while they destroyed you all last year... While biased (obviously), I think it's the Bengals division to win. Baltimore won't have the luck/health/schedule they had last year, I'm not sure what to expect from you all this year. I could easily see the Bengals/Steelers making the playoffs while the Ravens miss out.
      I don't know. I know you guys have some trouble up front.. I don't know who but I know everyone is underrating us because of a new coach..

      how soon people forget Cowher went 11-5 his rookie season.. and this team is 2x better than that team.

      We're actually going to use all of our weapons on offense and our defense is looking the best I've seen it in years..

      I know it was just pre-season, but we gave up the 2nd least points this preseason, only 4 more than Baltimore(#1) but we played 1 more game and had the #1 defense in points per game.
      Last edited by Mr. Stiller; 09-04-2007, 11:37 PM.

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      • #4
        IMO we're fine up front on both sides of the ball, I'm just worried about how Brooks matures, Jeanty staying healthy and our secondary playing more aggressive.

        I do agree that people might be underrating you because of the new coach, like I said I really don't know what to expect. I do feel like you all have more upside than Baltimore at this point.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by PalmerToCJ View Post
          IMO we're fine up front on both sides of the ball, I'm just worried about how Brooks matures, Jeanty staying healthy and our secondary playing more aggressive.

          I do agree that people might be underrating you because of the new coach, like I said I really don't know what to expect. I do feel like you all have more upside than Baltimore at this point.
          I'm really only worried about our OL playing well.. but Mahan and Colon should be upgrades. Mahan is better than Hartings was last year and Colon played head and shoulders above Starks.

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          • #6
            Dude, you realize you were an 8-8 team that didn't do many major changes aside from what is expected to be a downgrade on the coaching staff, and you're rated as a playoff team. If anything, you're overrated.

            Top 5 or 6? Come on man, I usually try to agree with you because usually you keep the homerism to a minimum, but right of the top of my head, 8 teams better than the Steelers. Chargers, Pats, Colts, Bears, Saints, Ravens, Bengals, Eagles. Denver and Dallas, debatable but I would say that they are.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BrownsTown View Post
              Dude, you realize you were an 8-8 team that didn't do many major changes aside from what is expected to be a downgrade on the coaching staff, and you're rated as a playoff team. If anything, you're overrated.

              Top 5 or 6? Come on man, I usually try to agree with you because usually you keep the homerism to a minimum, but right of the top of my head, 8 teams better than the Steelers. Chargers, Pats, Colts, Bears, Saints, Ravens, Bengals, Eagles. Denver and Dallas, debatable but I would say that they are.
              I would agree except:

              Bears, Saints, Eagles and Dallas. Denver is debatable and is the Chargers+Bengals.

              What did the chargers do? Only lose their interior LB's, Not upgrade the WR position, Oh and lose their entire Coaching staff..

              But through all that they're better than us. We beat the Saints last year.

              I'm not being a Homer for stating that we're underrated when we're a better team than most give us credit for.

              We added a new Coach.. so did San Diego, why are they above us. We only lost our HC/OC.. they lost HC/OC/DC.

              Saints still aren't good enough to beat us. I still dont' think the Eagles or Dallas is are better than us. Denver is because we lost to them last year.

              But to act as if they're clearly better than us?? Thats more biased from a Browns fan (I know you despise us and often try to undercut us, you yourself would admit this).


              Originally posted by BrownsTown View Post
              Dude, you realize you were an 8-8 team that didn't do many major changes aside from what is expected to be a downgrade on the coaching staff, and you're rated as a playoff team. If anything, you're overrated.
              Overrated? We never get credit on this forum for ****.. We're always overrated. We win the superbowl, the refs handed it to us.

              We beat the colts.. We didn't beat them, the Kicker shanked it.. What about Ben's tackle, his stats and the fact Troy got screwed by the refs?

              People always underrate our players and talent. So to say we're overrated is a joke, We don't get credit for any of our accomplishments and too much credit for our downfalls.

              We're a good team who people are trying to undersell. Fine, we'll let the season talk. I hate having to give excuses for why we're a good team.

              8-8 is a bad season for us. How many losing seasons have we had in the past 20-30 years? Not that many.
              Last edited by Mr. Stiller; 09-05-2007, 12:08 AM.

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              • #8
                We added a new Coach.. so did San Diego, why are they above us. We only lost our HC/OC.. they lost HC/OC/DC.
                Wow, just wow. You are infact a homer.

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                • #9
                  first off love the sig cant wait to see him tear up clausen.

                  now as for ontopic stuff. the browns are obviously going to be the front runner for worst in the division, what i believe may effect the rest of the division however though is how many games the browns can steal away from the bengals,steelers,ravens when they play them. because right now i think the bengals and steelers are preety equal, and the ravens may repeat if their offense can manage the clock and maybe get some extra points for the d


                  Sig by jkpigskin , thanks.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by GB12 View Post
                    Wow, just wow. You are infact a homer.
                    I didn't say we were better than them. I merely asked why they were above us in his opinion.

                    Because by his logic, they should've dropped quite a few spots. They lost their OC, DC, HC and hired a known Loser. We hired a young DC, promoted our OC, kept our DC..

                    Yet we downgraded and they're better than Us. I just want to know the logic there.
                    Last edited by Mr. Stiller; 09-05-2007, 12:13 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mcdlaxbonz13 View Post
                      first off love the sig cant wait to see him tear up clausen.

                      now as for ontopic stuff. the browns are obviously going to be the front runner for worst in the division, what i believe may effect the rest of the division however though is how many games the browns can steal away from the bengals,steelers,ravens when they play them. because right now i think the bengals and steelers are preety equal, and the ravens may repeat if their offense can manage the clock and maybe get some extra points for the d
                      I think OL and McNairs health will play a vital role. I don't think McGahee is the power runner they need and McNair doesn't have the arm to utilize Clayton/Williams.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mr. Stiller View Post
                        I would agree except:

                        Bears, Saints, Eagles and Dallas. Denver is debatable and is the Chargers+Bengals.

                        What did the chargers do? Only lose their interior LB's, Not upgrade the WR position, Oh and lose their entire Coaching staff..

                        But through all that they're better than us. We beat the Saints last year.

                        I'm not being a Homer for stating that we're underrated when we're a better team than most give us credit for.

                        We added a new Coach.. so did San Diego, why are they above us. We only lost our HC/OC.. they lost HC/OC/DC.

                        Saints still aren't good enough to beat us. I still dont' think the Eagles or Dallas is are better than us. Denver is because we lost to them last year.

                        But to act as if they're clearly better than us?? Thats more biased from a Browns fan (I know you despise us and often try to undercut us, you yourself would admit this).
                        There's a big difference between the Chargers record last year, and the Steelers'. Saints? You realize how young this team is right? You realize all their main weapons aside from Deuce were new to the team last year, right? (referring to Colston, Bush, Brees). Eagles? With Donovan, they could potentially be in the NFC Championship game, it's a whole different team with him in there. Denver, I say because I think Cutler will do good ENOUGH for Denver to ride their running game on offense. Dallas, that's the closest for me, but their basically a big wild card, they could do very very good, or very very bad. As long as TO doesn't explode, they could very well be one of the top teams by season's end.

                        I'm fine with acting their clearly better. The Steelers aren't a bad team. But they play in a tough division, in a tough conference, with a new head coach and losing more than they gained, come on now. I wouldn't say 9-7, 10-6 is a stretch for a prediction, but 9-7, 10-6 will get you about where you were placed, at 11.

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                        • #13
                          The difference in talent between the Chargers and the Steelers isn't even close. It's not even remotely close. The Steelers are better at WR, secondary, and maybe offensive line. That's it.


                          Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by BrownsTown View Post
                            There's a big difference between the Chargers record last year, and the Steelers'. Saints? You realize how young this team is right? You realize all their main weapons aside from Deuce were new to the team last year, right? (referring to Colston, Bush, Brees). Eagles? With Donovan, they could potentially be in the NFC Championship game, it's a whole different team with him in there. Denver, I say because I think Cutler will do good ENOUGH for Denver to ride their running game on offense. Dallas, that's the closest for me, but their basically a big wild card, they could do very very good, or very very bad. As long as TO doesn't explode, they could very well be one of the top teams by season's end.

                            I'm fine with acting their clearly better. The Steelers aren't a bad team. But they play in a tough division, in a tough conference, with a new head coach and losing more than they gained, come on now. I wouldn't say 9-7, 10-6 is a stretch for a prediction, but 9-7, 10-6 will get you about where you were placed, at 11.
                            I was under the assumption that Power rankings had to do with overall record and SOS.

                            What did we lose? Cowher, Whis and Porter.. We gained Tomlin, Arians, Woodley/Timmons.

                            I was thinking in head to head matchups.. this team isn't much different than the same team that beat NO last year, Chicago, Philly, and NE the year before.

                            So the Saints were young, so now that they're a year older their immediately better. Forget the fact their LB's are still porous and their CB's can't cover. They can have all the weapons they want, they still can't hold a team. We're more balanced and our defense can hold them.

                            Now if your going by overall records, then I can understand the #11. But the Saints and Bears are not better than us when it comes to 1 on 1 as we're far more complete on offense than the bears and defensively against the Saints.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
                              The difference in talent between the Chargers and the Steelers isn't even close. It's not even remotely close. The Steelers are better at WR, secondary, and maybe offensive line. That's it.
                              I'd say DL Is a push.

                              I'm not going to argue who's better, I just wanted to understand his logic on why we get knocked a few pegs for getting a new coach, and SD doesn't.

                              Like I said in previous posts. I'll let our season do the talking.

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