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  • #16
    Originally posted by Mr. Stiller View Post
    Give up on it, jesus. He wasn't all sunshine either. Even after the $1 Million bonus he was going to hold out of camp and the last thing you want to do is bring a new coaching staff to deal with the old staff's headcases. It was a good move. He was a good player, but it's still a business get over it.
    Just because somebody doesn't agree with you doesn't make you right. Chill out bro. Your not the all knowing Guru on this site. You think it's a good move and I along with the whole Steeler nation besides the kids on this site think it was a horrible move. Yes I know it's a business, but we have plenty of other guys we could stand to lose besides him. It was also no gimme that he was gonna hold out. Just because you don't like him doesn't mean it was smart. He was our best linebacker.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by HinesWardJr View Post
      ya true but he costs more. or they coulda cut haggans and townsend
      what? farrior does not cost more at all

      haggans doesnt cost as much, and the main thing is, is that porter woulda held out and thus forcing our hand to pay him or cut him then, this way its on the offices terms

      just gice it up, cuting porter was a good economical move

      football is a business at the end of the day and the steelers had to make the right business move

      thanks to steel man for the fresh sig

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      • #18
        ohi understand that. but i mean ya im sad about it and its good for the franchise but i think there coulda been someone else to get cut to help with the raise that he wanted

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        • #19
          Originally posted by NFLBOY View Post
          Just because somebody doesn't agree with you doesn't make you right. Chill out bro. Your not the all knowing Guru on this site. You think it's a good move and I along with the whole Steeler nation besides the kids on this site think it was a horrible move. Yes I know it's a business, but we have plenty of other guys we could stand to lose besides him. It was also no gimme that he was gonna hold out. Just because you don't like him doesn't mean it was smart. He was our best linebacker.
          Is it me or is it asinine to tell me I'm not the all knowing Guru and then say "I along with the WHOLE Steelers nation besides kids on this site think it was a crappy Move"?

          Here's the skinny. It wasn't a great move in the fact we had to lose Porter. However I'm on Steelers scout forum, My forums and this forum and frankly your one of very few people that research the draft and is a steelers fan.

          There's really 3 types of Steeler fans.

          1) Bandwagon fans (Eww) - The fans that cheer and watch Steelers only during good years.

          2) Solid Followers - Fans that follow the Team regardless of season, but know very little about the FA moves/Trades/Draft

          3) Fanatics - Follow the Team regardless, Live breathe and sleep Steelers and follow everything.


          We fall under fanatics. I'd say 75% are Solid Followers, 15% bandwagon and 10% Fanatics.


          Ok, So you can have the 90% of Steelers fans that don't understand the cap or things involved with offseason info.


          I will say this, Porter was our best Linebacker, But.. Unfortunately for your theory there is 10 other players on the Field with Mr. Porter that need to be paid and under the cap as well.

          Were you this upset when Cowher took over? At that time our Best LB was Huey Richardson, what was the Steelers first move during the Cowher Regime? Cutting Huey.

          Who else could we cut? Haggans? Gardocki? I mean, Porter was the highest paid Defensive player... his contract only outweighed by Marvel Smith.. yea, 2nd highest paid player on the team. We could have cut Joey... or .. practically the entire defense.

          It was a lose-lose situation.

          We keep Porter, We have a diminishing OLB and we can't afford a combination of Ben/Troy/Aaron Smith/Marvel Smith/Alan Faneca/Chris Hoke/Chris Komeatu/Trai Essex/Dan Kreider.

          We Cut Porter, we lose him and his salary.

          Now,

          Had you read into or studied any of the issues behind it, you would know what the heck was going on.

          1) We cut Porter to allow him to go to the team of his choice. We were getting trade calls from NYJ, SF, CIN, NE, and 2 other teams (Can't remember, I believe it was STL, and Cle). But instead of Forcing him, because of the type of Front office we have (Which you should study up on, watch the Steelers Dynasty DVD.) Instead of keeping him and sending him to somewhere where he'd be miserable we cut him. He even talked to reporters. He stated he was bummed, but he's very greatful for the opportunity we gave him.

          2) You have the teams defensive co-captain, who wants a big payday, after a bad season, and it's basically his last contract (likely due to age). He wants to be paid in the top 5 OLB's area. I loved Porter. I had a Pro-bowl Jersey, Black, White steelers and a Game-Worn Jersey which he autographed. Since we drafted him and he started taking shape as a player I was a huge fan. But we're talking a lot of money. Now, if he was putting up Pro-bowl #'s and was Younger? Fine, but it was not financially viable to do what he wanted.

          3)"It was no gimme that he was going to holdout". Yes it was, he had stated earlier that he was going to hold out unless he got the big payday. What a great way to invite a new coaching staff in to have a player acting like a headcase over a payday he's not worth.

          4) I stated Earlier that I loved him, I loved the intensity, ferocity, and Attitude he brought to Pittsburgh. I thought he was a great motivator. But I thought the same thing of Gildon and look what happened after we gave him that last big payday? He didn't even pass the Bills physical.

          5) I'm not an all knowing Guru, but I hate when people say things that they really have no understanding about it. I can read headlines as well and form opinions, but once you start going into depth, will you ever understand whats going on. You limit yourself to one train of thought and you won't be able to think without bias. Thats a horrible thing. You have to be open. What would you do if we payed Porter. Had to lose Ben and Troy and Then Porter broke his neck? Likely wouldn't happen, but would you be upset at the FO because we lost troy and Ben and should've cut 8 other players? I mean, you can't have it all.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by HinesWardJr View Post
            ohi understand that. but i mean ya im sad about it and its good for the franchise but i think there coulda been someone else to get cut to help with the raise that he wanted
            Like Who? Your previous post mentioned Haggans and DeShea. I'll tell you this, For the fact that they're both Starters and Veterans. They're making near league minimum. Probably $1m over league minimum (Which puts them near 1.5-2M ea.) now, Porter wanted paid, near the cost of 3 DeSheas and Clarks. Think about it.

            You have Faneca, Marvel Smith, Aaron Smith (Just resigned), Ben, Troy all coming into contract years in the next 2 years. How on earth would that have been feasible?

            DeShea and Haggans are veterans, but there's little depth or lack of experience at their positions, but once there is, don't be surprised to see them as cap casualties either.

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            • #21
              Just thought you guys might want this to sit in the back of your mind as well.

              Joey Porter is the best player left on the FA market.

              SF and NYJ might be the only players for him.

              BUT!..

              However small a chance. Porter might be going around to different teams and realizing his heart is in Pittsburgh. Like I said, Small and Unlikely chance, BUT, he isn't signed yet, so don't think that all hope is lost, he could end up coming back and taking a "Hometeam" Discount.

              Yeah, I play WoW too.[/CENTER]

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Mr. Stiller View Post
                Just thought you guys might want this to sit in the back of your mind as well.

                Joey Porter is the best player left on the FA market.

                SF and NYJ might be the only players for him.

                BUT!..

                However small a chance. Porter might be going around to different teams and realizing his heart is in Pittsburgh. Like I said, Small and Unlikely chance, BUT, he isn't signed yet, so don't think that all hope is lost, he could end up coming back and taking a "Hometeam" Discount.
                yeah and since SF is looking like they are gonna sign banta cain, that pretty much eliminates porter, since lawson has the other OLB spot

                edit, looks like we are looking at TBC also :

                http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07065/767144-66.stm
                Last edited by mikehop05; 03-06-2007, 01:57 AM.

                thanks to steel man for the fresh sig

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by mikehop05 View Post
                  yeah and since SF is looking like they are gonna sign banta cain, that pretty much eliminates porter, since lawson has the other OLB spot

                  edit, looks like we are looking at TBC also :

                  http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07065/767144-66.stm
                  I think SF goes...

                  TBC in FA... and Carriker rd 1, a WR like Sidney Rice and a DE/OLB like Tim Crowder in rd 3.

                  Yeah, I play WoW too.[/CENTER]

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Mr. Stiller View Post
                    I think SF goes...

                    TBC in FA... and Carriker rd 1, a WR like Sidney Rice and a DE/OLB like Tim Crowder in rd 3.
                    quite possible, would be a hell of a draft for them too

                    i wouldnt mind Crowder in the 3rd for us

                    thanks to steel man for the fresh sig

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by mikehop05 View Post
                      quite possible, would be a hell of a draft for them too

                      i wouldnt mind Crowder in the 3rd for us
                      I wouldn't either, if we didn't get Spencer in 1/2.

                      Yeah, I play WoW too.[/CENTER]

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                      • #26
                        When the Dolphins come to town will the fans boo him? I wouldn't.


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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by DeathbyStat View Post
                          When the Dolphins come to town will the fans boo him? I wouldn't.
                          We're not the Lions, and he's not Joey Harrington.

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                          • #28
                            ok. Joey Porter's stardom has officially ended.

                            he talked trash for all these years and all he's done was get a good amount of sacks for the steelers. he was a total fake, asking for all this money at the age he's at from the steelers who'd been so good to him. he's the kind of player that plays purely for money. in pittsburgh it was fun having him on the team because of all the stuff hed say to other teams or when hed just lay out a QB, but of course several more millions of dollars is more important. how is making all those millions and having all that fun and success not enough?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by aREALpittsburghfan View Post
                              ok. Joey Porter's stardom has officially ended.

                              he talked trash for all these years and all he's done was get a good amount of sacks for the steelers. he was a total fake, asking for all this money at the age he's at from the steelers who'd been so good to him. he's the kind of player that plays purely for money. in pittsburgh it was fun having him on the team because of all the stuff hed say to other teams or when hed just lay out a QB, but of course several more millions of dollars is more important. how is making all those millions and having all that fun and success not enough?
                              You're not a real pitt fan, the entire steeler nation knows this was the worst move ever.

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