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  • Originally posted by Smooth Criminal
    Anyone who wathed the game today and doesn't think O-line is our biggest need is an idiot. Ben was hurried on every play and sacked 9 times. Willie was hit behidn the line every time he had the ball.

    The entire line looked bad today. Everyone. We need some major repairs before next season on there.
    I'm a huge fan of Russ Grimm, but I don't think he's doing what he needs to do... we should Hire Haselrig as Oline Coach.

    Yeah, I play WoW too.[/CENTER]

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    • Originally posted by Smooth Criminal
      Anyone who wathed the game today and doesn't think O-line is our biggest need is an idiot. Ben was hurried on every play and sacked 9 times. Willie was hit behidn the line every time he had the ball.

      The entire line looked bad today. Everyone. We need some major repairs before next season on there.
      Talk about a post that annoys me. You think we have one need? You think your opinion is the only one that matters/correct? You think our schemes were good and you think Ben made good decisions? Our offensive line was horrible, but if you think that's our only need, I beg to differ. Our linebackers make no plays. Our ends get no pressure. The front 7 needs improvement. The offensive line needs improvement. I hate when people come on here and call people idiots. Plus no matter what you, I, or anyone else thinks, we're not making the personnel decisions so must be open minded about several ways the Steelers could go. This site is nice for opinions, not arguments.

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      • Where in my post does it say only? Thats right, nowhere. O-line is clearly the biggest need. Ben had no time all day and there was never a hole for Willie to run through. You can't watch this game, or even the entire season and make a case that we have been weaker in any other area. Starks and Simmons have looked bad all year and Marvel got destoryed this week. Every play it seemed or O-line was completely beaten.

        Sure our defense didn't play up to the level it usually does but when you put 0 points on the board the blame has to go to the offense. Ben didn't play that bad today. He had alot of nice passes, including one to Nate Washington that was dropped in the endzone. The only bad play I can think of that he made was the INT to end the game but at that point it was already over. Ben played good enough for us to win, the O-line did not.

        Thanks to The Dynasty for the sig

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          • GG no need to rub it in dcarey

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            • Originally posted by Smooth Criminal
              Where in my post does it say only? Thats right, nowhere. O-line is clearly the biggest need. Ben had no time all day and there was never a hole for Willie to run through. You can't watch this game, or even the entire season and make a case that we have been weaker in any other area. Starks and Simmons have looked bad all year and Marvel got destoryed this week. Every play it seemed or O-line was completely beaten.

              Sure our defense didn't play up to the level it usually does but when you put 0 points on the board the blame has to go to the offense. Ben didn't play that bad today. He had alot of nice passes, including one to Nate Washington that was dropped in the endzone. The only bad play I can think of that he made was the INT to end the game but at that point it was already over. Ben played good enough for us to win, the O-line did not.
              I think O-line is a big need but I don't think it's any bigger than improving the defense. Game to game, week to week, a different position looks the worst. And while you didn't say this, I think even if the o-line is considered our biggest need, I don't think we must go after an o-lineman in the first round. We have several areas to improve. We'll be in a position of top 10, or at least top 15 in the draft. I'd rather go for best player available at a variety of positions and don't think o-line is a must for round 1.

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              • O-line has been a position that we like to adress in the first round. Picking in the top 10 or 15 we'll have our choice of the best lineman on the board including Jake Long and Sam Baker who would help us out alot if Starks isn't signed back.

                Linebacker is a need but it isn't nearly as much as O-line that has been shakey all year. Plus we havn't gone after first round linebackers in a long time. I don't see them changing the draft strategy at this point.

                Thanks to The Dynasty for the sig

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                • Originally posted by Smooth Criminal
                  O-line has been a position that we like to adress in the first round. Picking in the top 10 or 15 we'll have our choice of the best lineman on the board including Jake Long and Sam Baker who would help us out alot if Starks isn't signed back.

                  Linebacker is a need but it isn't nearly as much as O-line that has been shakey all year. Plus we havn't gone after first round linebackers in a long time. I don't see them changing the draft strategy at this point.
                  Then we can agree to disagree. Neither of us run the Steelers. I like to throw out "opinions". You seem to like to throw out "facts". The draft is a long ways away. I personally don't like o-line and o-line only in round 1. No big deal.

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                  • Let's go through the team, as of today.
                    QB. Ben is fine, if he has time to throw. Has great leadership. Batch is fine as a backup. We do need a yound QB, to develop to replace batch in a couple of years. Day 2 pick.

                    RB. Parker is fine as the starter. But he does eed a powerback to spell him. If Davenport is that guy, then let's play him and make sure. Even if Davenport is that guy, we need another. Davenport has a long history of getting hurt. Plus at this time we only have 2 RB's under contract for next season. Parker and Staley. This is a day 1 need.

                    WR. Ward is great. But he is expensive, and one of the few players with any trade value. If someone makes a good offer, we have to consider it. Holmes, Washington, and reid are all young, small, and fast. There is a lot of talent here, but we should find someone with some size. Day 2 need, unless Ward is moved.

                    TE. Miller is a future All-Pro and Tuman is solid. A third TE is needed, preferably a large blocking specialist. Day 2 need.

                    OL. What a mess. We need at least 3 new starters. Hartings is gone, Starks and Simmons should be. Chris K. looked very good when he started, so PLAY HIM!!!!!! Colon is another large 6-3/330 young lineman, give hima try. If I was in charge, I would bench Hartings, move Faneca to C (he can play anywhere) and try Colon at LG. This could fill 2 of the 3 holes. Or at least give us answers if these spots are filled. Smith is solid, but again, he is a high priced vet, with trade value. But trading him opens another hole. This is a day 1need, maybe even 2 picks here.

                    K/P. Reed is fine. Gardocki needs to be replaced. His punts keep getting shorter and shorter.

                    DL. This is the strongest part of our team. Smith, Hampton, and Keisel have all played well. No, they don't make a lot of big plays, but that is not their role. They are supposed to free up the LB's to make the plays. they are doing that, the LB's are not. No need to draft here.

                    LB's. Foote has played well, but the rest have dropped off this year. Is this a long term problem, or just a one year thing. It is most likely a long term problem. Farrior, Porter, and Haggans are all on the wrong side of 30. This is the age, were players start to decline. Do Wallace or Harrison have a future as a starter? Let's find out. This is a day 1 need.

                    DB's. Taylor, Troy and McFadden are all young and talented. All have struggled this year. All should be given another shot. Townsend needs to go. he can't cover me. And I am an old slow guy. Is Ricardo C. coming back? This area is a day 1 need.

                    When I add this up, we need 4 or 5 picks on day 1 to fill holes. We have 3 picks. There is always the possibility of FA, but we are always close to the cap.
                    As for who to pick or look at/debate about, lets wait to see who is actually in the draft. Yes, Long, Baker, Branch and others would be good picks, but we don't know if they are even coming out yet.

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                    • Originally posted by richdg
                      Let's go through the team, as of today.
                      QB. Ben is fine, if he has time to throw. Has great leadership. Batch is fine as a backup. We do need a yound QB, to develop to replace batch in a couple of years. Day 2 pick.

                      RB. Parker is fine as the starter. But he does eed a powerback to spell him. If Davenport is that guy, then let's play him and make sure. Even if Davenport is that guy, we need another. Davenport has a long history of getting hurt. Plus at this time we only have 2 RB's under contract for next season. Parker and Staley. This is a day 1 need.

                      WR. Ward is great. But he is expensive, and one of the few players with any trade value. If someone makes a good offer, we have to consider it. Holmes, Washington, and reid are all young, small, and fast. There is a lot of talent here, but we should find someone with some size. Day 2 need, unless Ward is moved.

                      TE. Miller is a future All-Pro and Tuman is solid. A third TE is needed, preferably a large blocking specialist. Day 2 need.

                      OL. What a mess. We need at least 3 new starters. Hartings is gone, Starks and Simmons should be. Chris K. looked very good when he started, so PLAY HIM!!!!!! Colon is another large 6-3/330 young lineman, give hima try. If I was in charge, I would bench Hartings, move Faneca to C (he can play anywhere) and try Colon at LG. This could fill 2 of the 3 holes. Or at least give us answers if these spots are filled. Smith is solid, but again, he is a high priced vet, with trade value. But trading him opens another hole. This is a day 1need, maybe even 2 picks here.

                      K/P. Reed is fine. Gardocki needs to be replaced. His punts keep getting shorter and shorter.

                      DL. This is the strongest part of our team. Smith, Hampton, and Keisel have all played well. No, they don't make a lot of big plays, but that is not their role. They are supposed to free up the LB's to make the plays. they are doing that, the LB's are not. No need to draft here.

                      LB's. Foote has played well, but the rest have dropped off this year. Is this a long term problem, or just a one year thing. It is most likely a long term problem. Farrior, Porter, and Haggans are all on the wrong side of 30. This is the age, were players start to decline. Do Wallace or Harrison have a future as a starter? Let's find out. This is a day 1 need.

                      DB's. Taylor, Troy and McFadden are all young and talented. All have struggled this year. All should be given another shot. Townsend needs to go. he can't cover me. And I am an old slow guy. Is Ricardo C. coming back? This area is a day 1 need.

                      When I add this up, we need 4 or 5 picks on day 1 to fill holes. We have 3 picks. There is always the possibility of FA, but we are always close to the cap.
                      As for who to pick or look at/debate about, lets wait to see who is actually in the draft. Yes, Long, Baker, Branch and others would be good picks, but we don't know if they are even coming out yet.
                      Great post. Agree with just about everything. And that's a good way of breaking down what is a day 1 need, and then figure out who to pick based on who's there at those positions.

                      Nitpicking, but one thing I differ on is D-Line. I pretty much agree with what you said, but I'm always tempted to get a stud here if possible. Seems as if we're satisfied having solid players here, but what a bonus it would be if we had a do-it-all stud here. Harris and Nua are young but unproven. Smith is getting a little older. Now, by no means am I saying this is a day 1 need, cuz I agree it's not a need. But I'd be tempted by a guy like Alan Branch, if it was the right situation. Agreed we have bigger needs but could always go after them later. Sit the DE for a year, and then have him ready to dominate. (remember, only if in perfect situation, Branch might not even come out, be available, or work out as a good DE).

                      But like I said, just nitpicking. What I really agree on, is letting the young guys play. And now that we're officially out, it's more than officially time. Colon, Essex, Kemoeatu, Okobi, and Phillip are 5 young o-lineman on the roster. I see no harm at all in seeing what they can do, in spurts here and there if nothing else. Rian Wallace is the main guy on defense I'd like to see.

                      Guys like Townsend, Staley, Hartings, Logan, Wilson all seem like possibilities to be gone this offseason, without contracts coming in to play. All nice parts of the past, but need to get some new and young talent in there.

                      Just like you mentioned trading Ward if the situation was right, I'd do the same with Faneca. I don't think he's playing that well this year and just saying in the right situation. The way I see it, we can give 4 guys a chance at center other than Hartings.... Faneca, Simmons, Okobi, and Phillip.

                      LB might even need 2 selections on day 1. RB I think is a possible day 1 need. But do agree it'd be nice to see Najeh throughout the game.

                      Just throwin out some other things, but like I said earlier, great post.

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                      • That is the thing. We have more than 1 or 2 needs. So, the front office has to decide what to do. Even now we can't answer that, because we don't know who the coach will be. Till that question is answered, it is all mout. The next coach may want to run a spread O or a 4-3 D. So, untill then we don't know what we need. Yes we know we need OLmen, but do we need the large zone blocking type, or the smaller trapping type.

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                        • Our offensive line has to be a #1 priority.

                          But, sitting where we will when draft time come (between 10 and 20 im guessing) if there is a top rated reciever left, such as a Jarrett or Samardzija (depending on what happens with the MLB and his combine), or another top rated player available, do we take them, the best play available, or do we trade down and addresse the offensive line in the first round.

                          Personally, i would like us to get the best player available, minus RB, QB, DL (not including DE/OLB tweeners) and Saftey.

                          I just think that just about every other position could use a round one pick and that it would benefit the steelers.

                          The Steelrs O-Line has been struggling all season, but keep in mind the rivavlry between PITT and BAL, and how nasty BAL's defense is, and how they just came to play today.

                          thanks to steel man for the fresh sig

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                          • This has been a problem all year. Not just in today's game.

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                            • yeah i know, but not to the extent of 9 sacks and what, like 15 hurries and 10 knockdowns, something ridiculous...

                              but back to my original point i think the steelers go BPA

                              thanks to steel man for the fresh sig

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                              • THav - I wish I could go back to some of my previous posts to quote now, but it's nice to see more intelligent posters comming back, as you, richdg, mr. stiller, and smooth have all recently expressed some of the same opinions that I had posted back in Aug.

                                Some of the problems that I saw in the preseason have really come to light as the season has progressed, most notably the lackluster performance of the O-line and a team-wide lack of motivation.

                                Without going into great detail, yet, the positions that I currently feel we need to see the most improvement from between now and next year are:

                                1. OT
                                2. OLB
                                3. OG
                                4. ILB
                                5. CB
                                6. WR
                                7. KR/PR
                                8. RB

                                In the near future I will go into detail on each of these positions and the list is flexible depending on the positional play throughout the remainder of the season.

                                Obviously this is just my opinion and the list, as well as how to address each of the problems, is up for debate.

                                As for drafting someone like Dwayne Jarrett, some size at the WR pos. is certainly a need in my mind and if we were to draft him I would not have a problem with that at all (I'd actually be pretty excited). The thing is, as you, and I, have said it all depends on what the front office feels is the biggest concern, who they have ranked where on their board, and who is available when we draft.

                                As I have said before, it is always fun to speculate on the future moves of your favorite team, what sucks is waiting to find out what happens and how close your predictions are.

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