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    What are the chances of the Steelers getting Jarrett in the 2nd?


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  • #2
    From the looks of things we might be able to land a pretty good reciever in the 2nd round. I'd love to get Jarrett or Bowe in the 2nd and cut Wilson.

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    • #3
      i dont think bowe will be there but jarrett may... id even consider trading up a few spots in round 2 to nab him if hes there

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      • #4
        I'd say 0 chance. Jarrett has poor route running and slow speed, even Keyshawn urged him to stay in school because he doesn't feel he was ready yet. The USC WR that I would rather have is Steve Smith, if we can land him in the 3rd I'd be all for it. But, we already have 3-4 great pass catching options in Ward, Holmes, and Miller, maybe even Nate as well. I don't see the need to spend a 2nd rounder on a guy that's going to be our 4th option when we can get that same level of talent in the 3rd or 4th rounds.

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        • #5
          Steve Smith is too similar to the receivers we already have. If we do draft another receiver he will be a large red zone target


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          • #6
            Originally posted by JayA55 View Post
            I'd say 0 chance. Jarrett has poor route running and slow speed, even Keyshawn urged him to stay in school because he doesn't feel he was ready yet. The USC WR that I would rather have is Steve Smith, if we can land him in the 3rd I'd be all for it. But, we already have 3-4 great pass catching options in Ward, Holmes, and Miller, maybe even Nate as well. I don't see the need to spend a 2nd rounder on a guy that's going to be our 4th option when we can get that same level of talent in the 3rd or 4th rounds.
            I'll humbly disagree. Jarrett is among the best route runners in this draft. People are pushing him down because of a 4.62 40'. He's still a dynamic pass catcher, adequate speed. Jarrett, while he may not have 4.3 speed (Which we all knew before he ran it) Jarrett's speed is nothing to brag about.. unless you realize some names that ran close times..

            Jerry Rices 40' Time? 4.7
            Marty Booker? 4.65
            Anquan Boldin? 4.72
            Larry Fitzgerald? 4.63
            Reggie Williams? 4.62
            Michael Jenkins? 4.60
            Michael Clayton? 4.62
            Ernest Wilford? 4.79

            What Jarrett doesn't have in speed, he has in body control, leaping ability, route running, physicality after the catch, and his explosiveness. He can change directions quick.

            I'm tired of people comparing him to Mike Williams because of a "Poor-Work Ethic" thats not there, and Keyshawn Johnson for a "Poor team-work attitude" Thats not the case either. He never threw a fit sharing the field with Colbert, Turner, Williams, or Smith. He's the perfect guy to take #3 immediately (And if we draft him he will be the #3 immediately) we can cut wilson, have washington and Reid battle for #4. Jarrett has become very underrated because of anyone trying to find any reason to discredit his ability. The tape and #'s don't lie, He's been the best WR in the Pac-10 the last 3 years. And in most categories, a lifetime. Remember the last WR we took from USC? Some guy named.. Swann?

            He's selfless and will put himself in any position to catch the ball. Whether that means a decapitation via Ray Lewis, a Concussion via Ed Reed. If he's going to be passed to, he will make the catch. He's a hardworker. He got by on his natural talent his first 2 year at USC, and while he's not a Weightroom faithful, he has solid work ethic and his coaches will agree. Lendale White they weren't so forgiving. So I trust when they say he's a hardworker, they mean it. I saw the game where he made a catch in triple coverage to get a concussion, still made the catch, and he was back the next week. Nothing of this kid reeks of Plax or Williams or Keyshawn. Perhaps Keyshawn wanted to be the best USC WR in the league for one more year, or jealous that not only did this kid beat out his #'s at USC, but could make people forget him in the league.

            He has 2 problems. His deep speed (Which we aren't looking for deep speed.)

            and

            Weakness to the jam. He has long lanky arms and can be taught by Ward how to beat the jam.

            We don't need a deep threat. Nate Washington can get deep decently quick.. and we still have 4.38 Holmes and 4.34 Willie Reid. Hines is getting older. I think after last season... the defenses are stopping the fast guys, we need guys that are going to make the catch. 9 times out of 10 I'd rather take a Possession guy over a Deep threat. Jarrett is another possession guy to pair with Hines/Holmes. Reid/Washington will make the #4 spot interesting.


            Steve Smith is too similar to the receivers we already have. If we do draft another receiver he will be a large red zone target

            Not necessarily true. Our Superbowl squad consisted of Hines Ward (6-6'1), ARE at 5'11 and Wilson at 5'10.

            Now I was looking at Jarrett's size when I made the pick because of How much Ben liked a Plaxico Burress type. The big guy that can out maneuver against the DB's, but also because of how dynamic he is. Don't forget, We still have Heath Miller (6'6), Tuman (6'4), I'd love to draft Spaeth (6'7), and adding Jarrett would give us a solid Red zone group. I'm more concerned getting there.

            Smith and Davis are good complimentary hardworking #2's, but we have Holmes and Jarrett could move to #1 in a few seasons.

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            • #7
              I'm not a stickler for speed so it's not his 40 time that scares me, I'm not a Tedd Ginn fan either and he has 4.3 speed with a bad ankle. You're comparing Dwayne's 40 time to some of the best route runners in the league. Which backs my point, if you can't seperate with speed, you better be able to seperate by running some great routes, and that's something Jarrett doesn't do. I never seen anyone question his work ethic, the thing at question is his ability to seperate when he can't run or create good routes.

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              • #8
                i keep saying it , but i can not see spending a 2rd or high pick on a 3rd string player. i know they have to take time to learn an O but what till 1 to 2 years before that guy retires. that way you still have the drafted player in his prime.

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                • #9
                  Jarrett would not be 3rd string. With the new offense were gonna have you are gonna see 3 and 4 reciever sets alot more often. Jarrett would definately see alot of play time, esspecially in the red zone.

                  Remember, people said the same thing about Holmes and he was a big part of our offense by the end of his rookie season.

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                  • #10
                    Dwayne Jarrett would compliment Santonio Holmes speed perfectly.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by JayA55 View Post
                      I'm not a stickler for speed so it's not his 40 time that scares me, I'm not a Tedd Ginn fan either and he has 4.3 speed with a bad ankle. You're comparing Dwayne's 40 time to some of the best route runners in the league. Which backs my point, if you can't seperate with speed, you better be able to seperate by running some great routes, and that's something Jarrett doesn't do. I never seen anyone question his work ethic, the thing at question is his ability to seperate when he can't run or create good routes.
                      Jarrett Can't seperate with Speed, But all the film I've been seeing is that he can run routes. He does round some off, but he does have the loose hips and the ability for fakes. He can look like he'll cut left and go right.

                      But those are all things that can be worked on. You take a guy like Jarrett in round 2 that needs minor work, and the sky is the limit. He has everything you want but timed speed.

                      Plax was lazier than Jarrett and he ran less than stellar routes... he still managed over 1000 yards.

                      Plus I doubt many #3 CB's will be able to cover Jarrett in this league. Watch his highlights on Si.com or on youtube, he doesn't run the routes with extreme precision, but he's on the money and he gets open.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by steel man View Post
                        i keep saying it , but i can not see spending a 2rd or high pick on a 3rd string player. i know they have to take time to learn an O but what till 1 to 2 years before that guy retires. that way you still have the drafted player in his prime.
                        If you look at the team visits. 90% of the WR's they brought in were round 2-3 guys. Meaning they're looking at someone in round 2-3 to draft at WR. I think Jarretts that guy. He can give Ben the Plax like presence without the laziness or attitude.

                        Jarrett will see the field a lot. He's one of the most pro-ready WR's, and he'll play #3, but we're using 3-4 WR sets as our base offense.. meaning, Jarrett will still be on the field. He's 1st string Slot receiver. And once Hines Retires, he'll be in his prime, to move to #1, letting holmes stay at #2, then Reid/Washington or someone else at 3/4.

                        If thinks were to work out perfectly (Like in my head.)

                        you'd have 4.5+ Hines Ward at #1
                        you'd have 4.38 Santonio Holmes at #2
                        you'd have 4.62 Dwayne Jarrett at #3
                        you'd have 4.34 Willie Reid at #4
                        you'd have 4.55 Nate Washington at #5

                        That way you have atleast 2 solid possession receivers on the field. Holmes is your big play guy, but both Jarrett and Ward can be big play receivers (Ward with only 1 shoe on), because of the physical ability they bring after the catch.

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                        • #13
                          yeah ward may be the most unflashy guy for YAC, but hes pretty damnn effective... and i love it

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                          • #14
                            i am starting to see what you guys are saying. i knew we was going to a 3-4 wr set more, but i thought thought that was just more on 1st down which equals maybe 7 more sets, i did not know that was talking about thought out the whole game.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by steel man View Post
                              i am starting to see what you guys are saying. i knew we was going to a 3-4 wr set more, but i thought thought that was just more on 1st down which equals maybe 7 more sets, i did not know that was talking about thought out the whole game.
                              We're going to be using more Zone Blocking, more 3-4 WR sets.. not every down, but very often to play to willies +'s. So the #3 WR will be seeing the field for about 50-70% of the game

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