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  • Originally posted by mac25fan View Post
    Fair enough... I do not have personal insight as to what is on McCloughan's board. I just think that speed is essential to be a top tier CB and that is something that Jenkins does not posses.
    Are you speaking of the "speed" that shows how fast he is out of a 3-point stance, running in a straight line for 40 yards or the speed that had him have the fastest 3-Cone drill of any competitor in this years Combine? Perhaps the speed that had him faster in the shuttle than speedster Vontae Davis and 5th overall. I think it's probably the speed that timed faster in every single agility event (aside from the 40)than Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie last year. Regardless, even if you think he lacks speed (I do not) he is still the best FS prospect in the draft and stud FS typically go in the top-10.

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    • Originally posted by phlysac View Post
      Are you speaking of the "speed" that shows how fast he is out of a 3-point stance, running in a straight line for 40 yards or the speed that had him have the fastest 3-Cone drill of any competitor in this years Combine? Perhaps the speed that had him faster in the shuttle than speedster Vontae Davis and 5th overall. I think it's probably the speed that timed faster in every single agility event (aside from the 40)than Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie last year. Regardless, even if you think he lacks speed (I do not) he is still the best FS prospect in the draft and stud FS typically go in the top-10.
      For some positions the 40 time is overrated, but not for CB. You are out on an island trying to go one on one with very fast wideouts and you need to be able to recover with pure speed. I'm not the only one that thinks his speed leaves something to be desired.

      "Malcolm Jenkins' lackluster 4.55 second 40 yard dash time at the NFL Combine may have sealed his fate as an NFL safety. This still doesn't take him out of the first round, but he is likely to slip out of the top ten overall picks."
      fftoolbox.com

      "Does not have great speed or quickness...Lacks a burst to close and recover...Has some trouble flipping his hips and transitioning...Just average feet...Gambler who will take some chances...Will struggle to turn and run with speedy pro wideouts deep ... Bit of a CB / S 'tweener"
      draftcountdown.com

      "Questionable long speed and does get beaten deep occasionally."
      walterfootball.com

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      • I don't disagree that his long-speed is in question and may cause him to drop. My point is that we don't know that it will and IMO his game film makes him the best FS in the draft AT WORST.

        The most intriguing thing about Malcolm Jenkins discussions is the refusal of many to consider how elite his 3-Cone and 20 Shuttle times were. They also don't allow for his tremendous film to be a counterweight to his 40 time. Why is it that lack of elite 40 speed isn't important for Michael Crabtree but it has potentially seeled the fate of Jenkins? Perennial Pro Bowl CBs Asante Samuel, Chris McAllister, etc ran similar 40 times on the "faster" track at Indy.

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        • Asante Samuel is arguably the best CB in the league and when you're one of the best, having elite speed isnt necessary because the majority of passes will be thrown away from you anyway so as long as you dont get "faked" out, a CB like Jenkins will be just fine.

          Jenkins is back to being number one on my list because after Clements, our CB quality and depth is average at best. Adding a young stud to play opposite Clements will only help our defense.

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          • OT is still our biggest need, but wit the talent that will be there in the 2nd round along with who I see available at #10, I say we pick defense in the 1st.




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            • Going back over Menardo's posts from the last page, I decided to post a list of guys who I did research on during the forum mocks. These guys would all be great 2nd day guys. I'm not saying the rest aren't, I just happen to really agree with this list.

              Stryker Sulak DE/OLB Missouri
              Alex Boone OT Ohio State
              Jasper Brinkley ILB South Carolina
              Quinn Johnson FB LSU
              RB - Shonn Greene - Iowa
              RB - Rashad Jennings - Liberty
              FB - Tony Fiammetta - Syracuse
              OL - Robby Felix - UTEP
              NT - Myron Pryor - Kentucky
              DE - Rulon Davis - California
              OLB - Lawrence Sidbury - Richmond
              OLB - Brandon Williams - Texas Tech
              ILB - Scott McKilliop - Pittsburgh
              ILB - Jason Phillips - TCU
              CB - Mike Mickens - Cincinnati
              SS - Courtney Greene - Rutgers




              2 C 5:6-8 Jakob Murphy aka themaninblack

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              • Nobody has mentioned my boy Zack Follett yet as a late-round OLB project. He needs to add a few pounds and probably would be 1-2 years away from any sort of impact. But once Cal switched to a 3-4 defense last year, Follett really played well and he has a nose for the QB. I think he had over 10 sacks last year. He loves to play special teams too, so that's a huge plus for a late-round pick.
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                • Originally posted by phlysac View Post
                  Why is it that lack of elite 40 speed isn't important for Michael Crabtree but it has potentially seeled the fate of Jenkins?
                  A receiver knows the route he is going to run. A CB has to react to the receiver and have the ability to recover.

                  Overall I do think that Jenkins might turn into a great corner or safety. I just think there will be more value in Rd 2 and others I would like to see picked at 10 who will be available.

                  My ideal pick at 10 would be Raji because quality NTs are rare. Then one of a few OLB or OT would be a solid pick.

                  Personally I would see more justification for drafting a QB at 10 because the talent drop-off is much greater at that position than CB. We will be able to get a very good CB in rd 2 or 3 IMO.

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                  • Originally posted by mac25fan View Post
                    My ideal pick at 10 would be Raji
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                    • Originally posted by mac25fan View Post
                      A receiver knows the route he is going to run. A CB has to react to the receiver and have the ability to recover.
                      Which is precisely why I feel that his elite 3-Cone and 20 Shuttle times are so important. It shows he has the ability to change direction at a ridiculously fast rate.

                      I completely agree with you about how his speed can be perceived. I hope you understand I wasn't trying to argue your opinion, just possible different outlooks. I also agree that Raji should be the pick but I've left him out of my equation because I don't feel he'll drop.

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                      • Originally posted by phlysac View Post
                        I also agree that Raji should be the pick but I've left him out of my equation because I don't feel he'll drop.
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                        • Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
                          I rather have Oher over Smith.
                          Andre Smith at his best is probably one of the best players in this draft.
                          Originally posted by 49erNation85
                          I dunno even half of those guys why did we sign them jeez.

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                          • Originally posted by BandwagonPunditry View Post
                            San Francisco at Dallas
                            I might go to that since it's the third one and starters play the longest during that.

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                            • Originally posted by Brent View Post
                              I might go to that since it's the third one and starters play the longest during that.
                              Do it man be a team player.
                              Originally posted by 49erNation85
                              I dunno even half of those guys why did we sign them jeez.

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                              • Originally posted by BandwagonPunditry View Post
                                Preseason Schedule:



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                                Nolan is going to blitz the **** out of Alex. It is going to be like the preseason game last year where he went after Aaron Rodgers.

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