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  • Originally posted by LizardState View Post
    Here here, so say we all. I can't remember a marquee name player like Tebow having such a reverse bandwagon effect as the draft approaches. He had an awesome college career that's true, but now he's becoming about as popular as anthrax.

    On another matter, I hear all the pundits saying that b/c of the talent depletion meltdown in Zona b/c the cheapest team in the NFL wants to save on paying roster bonuses, the Rams still floundering trying to get up off the floor with the worst teams in the NFL, & Seattle in rebuilding mode under a new HC the 9ers are the odds-on fave to take the division. Are you guys buying this?

    I think the team is an OLT, a FS, a KR, maybe a lightning-quick pass rusher opposite Justin Smith & some solid kick & punt coverage on STs away from that yet.
    Rams suck, Seahawks will get better sooner rather than later but the Cardinals still have a good team. They'll replace Dansby in the draft and replaced Rolle with Rhodes. The only major spot is at QB but its the biggest one but Leinart does have weapons in Fitz, Breaston and Early so I think they will be fine.

    As for us, I think we can win the division if we were to make some moves but team isnt doing a damn thing whatsoever and I personally think that Diggler's hope for a trade to move up will happen because I see us trading away both first rounders but not for an OT - instead they will trade up for Bradford or Clausen because with McCloughan gone, Smith is pretty much a lame ass duck and Carr isnt the answer and while I would much rather see Davis get a shot after Smith but before any draft pick, I dont think that will happen whatsoever. Like every HC, I think Singletary wants his own QB and that QB isnt Smith. I believe it will be Bradford or more likely Clausen.

    Now, I personally dont want to see that happen period and I dont want to trade both first rounders just to move up. If Okung, Baluga and Williams are all gone by 13 (and they most likely will be), I go with Spiller at 13 if he's there and then go with Iupati at 17 to play RT for a year.

    I would also consider making an offer for Chargers OT Marcus McNeill who would require a first and a third. Granted, thats a steep price to pay but we would still have our first and second plus an OT who is far better than the top three OT's in this years draft anyway. And he's only 26 and in his prime.

    One thing is for sure - no matter what happens, I know that I'll be moaning, groaning and complaining. LOL.

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    • Originally posted by PhysicalwithanF View Post
      I would take Tebow in the 4th round simply for his leadership and locker room presence, and intangibles. Very worst he is a special teams, H Back, do whatever u ask him to do type of guy. We have to many needs to consider him in the early part of the draft..and he is going in the first round now by all accounts so this debate is mute.. But anyone who says they wouldnt take him at all..or as a UDFA is letting their personal bias affect their judgement. He may not be the next Montana..but he can do something positive for a team.
      Agreed. This is similar to what I was saying. He has SOME value for his intangibles, but I just don't see him fitting in with the current 49ers roster, especially at QB.


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      • So, Kiper has Davis, the OT from Rutgers falling to us at 17. That would be a HUGE steal, I think. Hell, if he is there at 13, I think they take him.

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        • Yea all need to stop hating on the poor Tebow man its getting old . HES gonna play QB when he comes into the NFL , just let it go already . He will be drafted in the second round , for who is unsure of . It could be us , the jags , browns , or even the Bills ( most likely ) I could live with that as a Tebow and Gator fan . But as 9er fan we could use a guy like Tebow on the team he will get to the playbook and fix his mistakes after a year or so if we so happen to draft him . There is so much hate on this on this board its unfair and stupid by all means .
          Bradford or McCoy or any of the other guys who came our of the spread offense aren't getting as much hate why is that ? I dunno buts its dumb . Stop hating on the guy already ..

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          • Originally posted by Tebowfan85 View Post
            Bradford or McCoy or any of the other guys who came our of the spread offense aren't getting as much hate why is that ? I dunno buts its dumb . Stop hating on the guy already ..
            The difference, Tebowfan85, is that Bradford and McCoy are more known for actual quarterback skills and their 'spread' systems they played in, highlighted those talents.

            Bradford and McCoy are hailed for being accurate passers, Bradford especially. After Bradford's proday his velocity isn't even in question anymore, the only dark spot on Bradford's stock is his injury history. McCoy's dark spot is his velocity, however his accuracy on his throws surpasses whatever he lacks in zip. Oklahoma's and Texas' offenses worked to these strengths.

            By saying what you did in the quote above, you make the implication that they are all cut from the same cloth because their base offensive set had 3 or 4 wideouts. If you think Tebow came from a 'traditional spread' offense you are more dillusional than I first imagined. The first thing that pops into my head when looking at the Florida offense the last 4 years is SINGLE WING. Tebow's strength was not his arm strength, or his accuracy (quarterback talents). His strength was his ability to move the chains with his legs. He was more of the halfback in a traditional Single Wing set. In that offense, the Halfback is asked to do much of the off tackle work, and when asked to throw, to do so on highly efficient routes.

            That's all fine and dandy that he was essentially a single wing halfback for 4 years, but all of a sudden he goes to the combine and his one physical strength (legs) doesn't even earn him the fastest 40 time by a quarterback. His running style is more like a Mike Alstott without nearly the shiftiness or the power. Combine that with an average arm, and mediocre accuray and you have a prospect that deserves no consideration in any of the first 3 rounds based on physical playing ability.

            And not once have I mentioned his suspect delivery (<---until right then).

            The only reason Tebow has entered the discussion of the second round ( I use to drink that kool-aid) is because of his top notch intangibles. But I am not willing to spend 10 million dollars on someone's personality, and neither should you.
            Originally posted by Babylon
            It's called Karma for all the years with Montana and Young.

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            • king2am,
              I do understand some what that Florida's offense isn't an original part of the spread it is has to be pretty darn close though except for a few plays and formation set ups . But there are routes reads that are NFL style.If you realize that it is just differently set up in the Florida play book .I bet it takes him about 1 year and 1/2 or less to learn a style or system before he becomes a descent NFL QB .I hope you realize that he had under 20 INT his hole career ?He may not have a strong arm but he place the ball in pockets down the field or in the middle to where it needs to be .Its just a thought. But there are too many haters on this board against him its unreal.

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              • Would love to trade down and get Brown or Best.

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                • Originally posted by Tebowfan85 View Post
                  king2am,
                  I do understand some what that Florida's offense isn't an original part of the spread it is has to be pretty darn close though except for a few plays and formation set ups . But there are routes reads that are NFL style.If you realize that it is just differently set up in the Florida play book .I bet it takes him about 1 year and 1/2 or less to learn a style or system before he becomes a descent NFL QB .I hope you realize that he had under 20 INT his hole career ?He may not have a strong arm but he place the ball in pockets down the field or in the middle to where it needs to be .Its just a thought. But there are too many haters on this board against him its unreal.
                  Maybe I wasn't clear in making my point.

                  Point: Bradford and McCoy played in offenses that highlighted strengths of theirs as quarterbacks. Accuracy. Both had suspect velocity, Bradford has erased most of that after his proday.

                  Tebow played in an offense that highlighted strengths of his as an ATHLETE.

                  The accuracy of Bradford and McCoy translate to the NFL. As does the arm strength displayed by Bradford. Tebow isn't even the most athletic quarterback in the draft, and he certainly doesn't translate to the NFL as a running threat for more than a couple yards.

                  His only Strength isn't related to the position of quarterback at all, and his arm strength and accuracy are both suspect.

                  I bet you it takes him less than 1 1/2 years to learn the playbook. He's a smart kid. I bet you it takes him much longer to be effective in an NFL offense though.
                  Originally posted by Babylon
                  It's called Karma for all the years with Montana and Young.

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                  • You have to be fooling yourself if you think that his delivery isn't slow enough to assure his lack of success, NFL DBs are going to pick off so many passes. And, if you believe that he can change his throwing motion: again, you are fooling yourself. Under duress, he's going to revert right back to throwing the way he does.

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                    • I'm starting to despise Tebow and im not talking about the player.

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                      • Originally posted by Tebowfan85 View Post
                        king2am,
                        I do understand some what that Florida's offense isn't an original part of the spread it is has to be pretty darn close though except for a few plays and formation set ups . But there are routes reads that are NFL style.If you realize that it is just differently set up in the Florida play book .I bet it takes him about 1 year and 1/2 or less to learn a style or system before he becomes a descent NFL QB .I hope you realize that he had under 20 INT his hole career ?He may not have a strong arm but he place the ball in pockets down the field or in the middle to where it needs to be .Its just a thought. But there are too many haters on this board against him its unreal.
                        Did you watch the Senior Bowl?


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                        • Quote:
                          Originally Posted by Tebowfan85
                          king2am,
                          I do understand some what that Florida's offense isn't an original part of the spread it is has to be pretty darn close though except for a few plays and formation set ups . But there are routes reads that are NFL style.If you realize that it is just differently set up in the Florida play book .I bet it takes him about 1 year and 1/2 or less to learn a style or system before he becomes a descent NFL QB .I hope you realize that he had under 20 INT his hole career ?He may not have a strong arm but he place the ball in pockets down the field or in the middle to where it needs to be .Its just a thought. But there are too many haters on this board against him its unreal.
                          Did you watch the Senior Bowl?
                          Homerism is blind like true love. Tebow won the Heisman too early & it went to his head, too much success too soon. Same can be said for Meyer's spread system at Florida. By this yr. teams had it figured out, too many receivers eligible means less blockers -- look what happened to Tebow at Kentucky, blindside sack for a concussion.

                          He came into this season trailing clouds of glory, left it crying on the bench. Wasnt his last pass in the SEC CG season an INT in the Bama end zone? Then the Senior Bowl where he dicked the dog badly in practices & in the game. So he tries to compensate with the new & improved throwing motion in his Pro Day & scouts still werent impressed. He exacerbated the image with slow 40 time too -- C'mon Tebow fans, even fans have to look through this Tebow forest of fail & see the trees. I think the majority of the NFL scouts have by now.

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                          • Point out that Byron Leftwich came out with the leader intangibles, and a slow wind-up. Not nearly the athletic specimen that Tebow is but no Qb coach has been able to fix his delivery. Right now all he does is motivate Freeman from the sideline holding his clipboard with his hat on backwards. Tebow is arguably the best college QB of all time, but his strengths do not translate to a pro-style offense. Any team that spends the money on him is not going to run him around and expose him to the shots that a pro defensive player will give him. Especially with his my stuff smells like roses attitude.
                            “Every play, every down, every series, every meeting — like it’s your last.” Jerry Kramer

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                            • The Tebow talk really devalues this board, it's a shame.

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                              • I'll switch gears, since I opened a can of worms with the Tebow talk, here is Matt Barrows's top ten list of prospects most likely to be holding a red number one jersey next Thursday.
                                http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs...-top-10-d.html
                                1. Anthony Davis
                                2. Joe Haden
                                3. C.J. Spiller
                                4. Mike Iupati
                                5. Dan Williams
                                6. Brandon Graham
                                7. Earl Thomas
                                8. Charles Brown
                                9. Kyle Wilson
                                10. Rolando McClain

                                Only real complaint, from me, is how high Mike Iupati. Would rather have Thomas, Williams, or Graham over him.

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