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  • this draft isn't very deep and neither is the fa market, i'd say sf is in good position to draft the best available player come april.
    enough w/ the " alex smith" should compete with shaun hill. what for? hill is doing a great job and winning. keyword. winning games unlike smith.
    the guys that should go are sims, jennings, roman, fields, franklin, harris and spencer. i like harris and spencer but injurys and age are getting to both of them.

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    • As much as I would love to get Suggs, I think Haynesworth is really the prize of this offseason. He can dominate at the NT position, meaning that Franklin can be a sub (better suited for that role). This will ease the pressure off of our LB core and the other DE's. Bc he made the probowl means he will be an UFA which means he goes to the highest bidder.

      Plus, this is a deep class for 34 OLB prospects and I would much rather draft at this position as the transition is much fast than D-line.

      With our 1st pick one of these guys will be available:
      OLBs: Orakpo, Johnson or English
      S: Mays or Moore can't go wrong with either

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      • Originally posted by chapo123 View Post
        this draft isn't very deep and neither is the fa market, i'd say sf is in good position to draft the best available player come april.
        enough w/ the " alex smith" should compete with shaun hill. what for? hill is doing a great job and winning. keyword. winning games unlike smith.
        the guys that should go are sims, jennings, roman, fields, franklin, harris and spencer. i like harris and spencer but injurys and age are getting to both of them.
        Spencer is a 5 year pro.
        Originally posted by 49erNation85
        I dunno even half of those guys why did we sign them jeez.

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        • Originally posted by Menardo75 View Post
          Spencer is a 5 year pro.
          Plus he is signed through 2012, his price is reasonable till 2010.

          9/20/2006: Signed a five-year, $20 million contract extension through 2012. The deal included a $6 million signing bonus and contains $8.5 million in total guarantees. 2008: $680,000, 2009: $1.67 million, 2010: $2.85 million, 2011: $3.1 million, 2012: $3.2 million, 2013: Free Agent

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          • Originally posted by no love View Post
            As much as I would love to get Suggs, I think Haynesworth is really the prize of this offseason. He can dominate at the NT position, meaning that Franklin can be a sub (better suited for that role). This will ease the pressure off of our LB core and the other DE's. Bc he made the probowl means he will be an UFA which means he goes to the highest bidder.

            Plus, this is a deep class for 34 OLB prospects and I would much rather draft at this position as the transition is much fast than D-line.

            With our 1st pick one of these guys will be available:
            OLBs: Orakpo, Johnson or English
            S: Mays or Moore can't go wrong with either

            The way Sing talks about Franklin, I'm not convinced that we would get into the Haynesworth bidding war. Especially if you're talking about a Haynesworth vs. Suggs situation. I think Sing would definitely go after a baltimore guy.
            Originally posted by Babylon
            It's called Karma for all the years with Montana and Young.

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            • Franklin has played very well down the stretch this season. I doubt Sing goes after a NT.
              Originally posted by 49erNation85
              I dunno even half of those guys why did we sign them jeez.

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              • Forget Haynesworth. He was basically a bust for five years and then all of a sudden became awesome last season because it was a contract year. Gets franchised and the only reason why he's still playing at a high level is because he hasnt cashed in yet. Like the majority of DT's, once he does cash in, he will go back to being a bust because he'll have gotten paid and with such a huge contract, the team wouldnt be able to do a damn thing about it.

                Suggs is far more important to our defense than Haynesworth. We dont even need Haynesworth. Go back to the 4-3 and start Sopo and Balmer with Fields and Franklin as the backups with Smith and Suggs at DE and I think that we'll be set for years to come on the DL.

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                • Dan, I don't think that Suggs will come here. He'll go to the highest bidder and I would be shocked if we're that team. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see him chasing down QB's for us, whether it's at DE or OLB but I just cant see it happening. It's ADT all over again, as far as I am concerned: use the Niners to up his leverage elsewhere.

                  I doubt he goes out of Dallas but Tank Johnson has been a fantastic NT this year in Dallas, especially for a guy who never played it before. I wouldnt mind seeing the Niners sign him if the price is right but I dont see him leaving Dallas.

                  As for other FA's, the following are guys I wouldnt mind considering:
                  -S Dawan Landry, RFA, Baltimore
                  -S Bryant McFadden, UFA, Pittsburgh
                  -DE Chris Canty, UFA, Dallas
                  -NT Tank Johnson, UFA, Dallas

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                  • Originally posted by Brent
                    Dan, I don't think that Suggs will come here. He'll go to the highest bidder and I would be shocked if we're that team. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see him chasing down QB's for us, whether it's at DE or OLB but I just cant see it happening. It's ADT all over again, as far as I am concerned: use the Niners to up his leverage elsewhere.

                    I doubt he goes out of Dallas but Tank Johnson has been a fantastic NT this year in Dallas, especially for a guy who never played it before. I wouldnt mind seeing the Niners sign him if the price is right but I dont see him leaving Dallas.

                    As for other FA's, the following are guys I wouldnt mind considering:
                    -S Dawan Landry, RFA, Baltimore
                    -S Bryant McFadden, UFA, Pittsburgh
                    -DE Chris Canty, UFA, Dallas
                    -NT Tank Johnson, UFA, Dallas
                    I would make Suggs an offer and see what happens. As for NT, I dont see the point because I think that we're better off in the 4-3 and already have Sopoaga, Balmer, Fields and Franklin at DT. Wasting money on Johnson when we just paid Sopo and drafted Balmer doesnt make any sense to me. Going back to the 4-3 full time is the smarter move plus having two DT's in front of Willis will allow him to be even more dominant than he already is. And if were to go after Haynesworth and overpay him, we can definitely go after Suggs and overpay him instead.

                    Landry is good but I wouldnt want to give up draft picks for him plus sign him to an extension. McFadden is a CB, not a safety last time I checked. I think that Canty signed a long term deal but even if he didnt, he's not a pass rusher and I dont think that he would help us especially for the money that he'll be looking for. Of course, I dont see DAL letting him go anyway.

                    I know that FS is a huge need and whatnot but I dont understand why everyone is so against putting Smith there. If he can play CB, that means that he has coverage skills which is what everyone here complains about in regards to Roman and who should be at FS. We have plenty of depth at CB and moving Smith to FS is definitely an option.

                    I'm hoping for CB Malcolm Jenkins in the draft but I dont see it happening since we keep winning. Do you know any starting quality CB's who will be UFA's in March excluding McFadden?
                    Last edited by dan77733; 12-25-2008, 04:02 PM.

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                    • Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
                      As for NT, I dont see the point because I think that we're better off in the 4-3 and already have Sopoaga, Balmer, Fields and Franklin at DT. Wasting money on Johnson when we just paid Sopo and drafted Balmer doesnt make any sense to me. Going back to the 4-3 full time is the smarter move plus having two DT's in front of Willis will allow him to be even more dominant than he already is. And if were to go after Haynesworth and overpay him, we can definitely go after Suggs and overpay him instead.
                      I would be shocked if Manusky didnt come back at DC next year. That is why I am thinking in terms of a 3-4, like he runs. And if you have noticed, in the past 5 games or so, we haven't allowed more than 17 points. I would think that he's doing something right.

                      Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
                      Landry is good but I wouldnt want to give up draft picks for him plus sign him to an extension. McFadden is a CB, not a safety last time I checked. I think that Canty signed a long term deal but even if he didnt, he's not a pass rusher and I dont think that he would help us especially for the money that he'll be looking for. Of course, I dont see DAL letting him go anyway.

                      I know that FS is a huge need and whatnot but I dont understand why everyone is so against putting Smith there. If he can play CB, that means that he has coverage skills which is what everyone here complains about in regards to Roman and who should be at FS. We have plenty of depth at CB and moving Smith to FS is definitely an option.
                      I thought McFadden was a safety but I cannot recall. Like I said before, these are guys I would like to see considered. No one is against putting Smith at FS but it seems illogical to stick a guy at safety that hasnt been working as one for the team since he was drafted. And just because he played safety in college doesnt mean anything with regards to his ability to do so in the NFL, especially when he's been practicing as and playing cornerback for the Niners since last April.

                      Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
                      I'm hoping for CB Malcolm Jenkins in the draft but I dont see it happening since we keep winning. Do you know any starting quality CB's who will be UFA's in March excluding McFadden?
                      All I can think of are the following but I highly doubt that the Niners even target a CB in the draft early on, especially if Tarell Brown plays like he has been.
                      -Nnamdi Asomugha, UFA, Oakland
                      -Dunta Robinson, UFA, Houston
                      -Chris Gamble, UFA, Carolina
                      -Justin Miller, UFA, New York Jets
                      -Renaldo Hill, UFA, Miami

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                      • Originally posted by no love View Post
                        Plus he is signed through 2012, his price is reasonable till 2010.

                        9/20/2006: Signed a five-year, $20 million contract extension through 2012. The deal included a $6 million signing bonus and contains $8.5 million in total guarantees. 2008: $680,000, 2009: $1.67 million, 2010: $2.85 million, 2011: $3.1 million, 2012: $3.2 million, 2013: Free Agent
                        my bad. i meant harris. spencer is cool and all but the acl scares me off.

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                        • any signs as to who mike will hire as the new oc?

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                          • If we're running a WCO, i think Gill Haskell is a good possibility. He's going to be let go in Seattle for Moras buddy Greg Knapp. He certainly would be a good fit.

                            Continuing the FA talk...What do you guys think of signing Darren Sproles? He's a playmaker, a good returner, and would bring great depth from Gore. I think singletary wants this team to be a running team...we need 2 RBs and id rather sign a good FA than use a top draft pick on one. I dont think Sproles should be too expensive either. We could focus on a Short yardage back in the draft instead of looking for one alongside a complement to Gore.

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                            • Originally posted by 49ersfan_87 View Post
                              Darren Sproles?
                              I think a short yardage guy is more important. Rossum is supposed to be re-signing and if so, that would eliminate the need for a guy like Sproles.

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                              • Tank Johnson would be a good pickup. There is no way Manusky gets fired he has been awesome this year.
                                Originally posted by 49erNation85
                                I dunno even half of those guys why did we sign them jeez.

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