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  • We are definitely more suited for a 4-3, imo. In a 4-3 we would not even have to worry about resigning Franklin, I think Sopoaga and RJF would make a great DT tandem, and Haralson is a natural 4-3 DE anyway. Bowman takes over for TKO and Lawson stays at OLB and we have one of the best front sevens in the league.

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    • Originally posted by chapo123 View Post
      my updated mock

      1. jake locker : qb
      2. sione fua : nt ( assuming franklin leaves/goes ) or cameron jordan : de
      anyone who can pass rush the qb right now!
      3. curtis brown : cb
      4. john moffit : g
      get rachael the hell away from a sf uniform
      5. james michaels-johnson : ilb
      6. dwayne harris : wr
      7. marvin austin : dt
      this guy is going to slip due to not playing this season. tons of sites had him being a 2-3rd guy. could be a good pickup if he hits the gym & trains hard.
      has anyone seen our corner play? it is horrendous!!! it needs to be addressed in the top top of the draft or via FA

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      • Originally posted by edgrenade View Post
        has anyone seen our corner play? it is horrendous!!! it needs to be addressed in the top top of the draft or via FA
        i agree.
        i feel like any of these 3 guys in their respective positions will help sf out big time
        qb:
        andrew luck
        jake locker
        christian ponder

        olb/de : any pass rusher really
        robert quinn
        marcelus dareus

        cb:
        patrick robinson
        prince amukamara

        i'd be happy with any of these guys whether sf picks in 5 or drops down & pickup extra picks. i feel like qb has got to be addressed. enough with the smith this smith that crap. he's done. get over it.

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        • Originally posted by 49ersfan_87 View Post
          Jim Harbaugh, HC of Stanford. Brother of Baltimore Ravens HC John Harbaugh. Former Colts QB and Raiders QB coach.

          For HC considerations, i'd like to interview Harbaugh and Gruden, both are offensive guys. I don't know how people feel about defensive coaches after our OC disaster the last 8 years, but i'd also like to interview Rob Ryan, DC of the Browns. He's the twin of Rex Ryan and has a solid resume other than his time with the Raiders.

          Besides those 3, and looking at other solid offensive playcallers across the league, other guys i'd like to interview are Brian Schottenheimer (Jets OC) and Kyle Shannahan (Redskins OC, son of Mike Shannahan). For the Rooney Rule requirement, i'd interview Todd Bowles (Dolphins Secondary coach, part of Parcells coaching tree) and maybe Leslie Frazier (Vikings DC).
          Thanks Brent for the link.

          No thanks in regards to Harbaugh, Ryan, Schottenheimer, Shanahan or any other college coach or offensive/defensive/assistant coach. Enough is enough with all these ******* no name coaches who'll just be happy to have a shot at being an HC.

          With our history, I want a GOD DAMN head coach who has already been an NFL HC and was successful at it.

          In regards to Ryan, he's the guy who I would like to be the DC for our 3-4 (unless we somehow someway could get LeBeau) but at the same time, with him being a possible HC candidate, I wouldnt want to hire him as our DC and a year later, he's gone (ala Turner) because we all know thats exactly what would happen.

          And I cant speak for anyone else but I hate the Rooney rule but thats just me.

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          • Originally posted by Madirishman
            So, is it safe to say that a majority are in favor of the Niners going back to a 4-3 Defense next year, (subject to incoming coaching philosophy influence)?

            I really like the 3-4 when it's played well, but that is just not happening with the Niners on a consistent basis as they need more specialists. 3-4 teams seem to need to have specific specialists to be elite: pass rushing specialists, run-blocking specialists, tackling and gap specialists, cover specialists, and ball-hawking specialists. They have a few of these specialists on the team, but I think they would be better off at this point with going to a 4/3 next year. They would be a pass-rushing LE away from a decent squad and the loss of Franklin wouldn't hurt the team as much as it would in a 3/4. I think Lawson would be a unique threat in that case, and would be a better fit as a fast, ranging OLB in the 4-3. He could arguably line up as a DE (like he was in college) at that point too, but I'd rather have him as a beast OLB.
            Six years and the 3-4 still isnt working the way all of us want it to. We're not the Patriots or Steelers, it just doesnt work for us. 4-3 wise, we would just need a LDE. And if we re-sign Lawson (which im hoping we do), I would tell him to add weight and get up to 255-260 because at 6'5, I seriously believe that he can be a Jason Taylor type player especially with his long arms. He just needs to add the weight and more muscle.

            Originally posted by abaddon41_80 View Post
            We are definitely more suited for a 4-3, imo. In a 4-3 we would not even have to worry about resigning Franklin, I think Sopoaga and RJF would make a great DT tandem, and Haralson is a natural 4-3 DE anyway. Bowman takes over for TKO and Lawson stays at OLB and we have one of the best front sevens in the league.
            I would still franchise Franklin though. And I would trade our 2nd rounder to WSH for Haynesworth especially since he's cheap and still prefers playing in a 4-3 defense. Backup plans would be Franklin/Sopoaga or Sopoaga/Francois but I prefer the first option the most. Either way, I wouldnt let Franklin leave. Franchise him and either trade him or just keep him for 2011 and let him leave in 2012. If we go back to the 4-3 and if Haynesworth is still unhappy, maybe a Franklin/Haynesworth trade. Haynesworth is only a year younger so I dont think a possible trade one for one straight up is that far fetched.

            Rather see Lawson bulk up, add weight and play RDE instead of Haralson. I said it above and I honestly believe that Lawson can be a Jason Taylor type player. He just needs to add the weight. Bowman replaces Lawson and Brooks replaces Haralson outside. Just need to add a veteran MLB.

            Of course, Lawson would have to be re-signed first. LOL.

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            • My fantasy starting roster for 2011 -
              backup plan -

              QB - Donovan McNabb / UFA (if he doesnt re-sign or get franchised by WSH)
              Jake Locker (first round draft pick)

              RB - DeAngelo Williams / UFA (this guy is awesome and would fit in better with the offensive strategy of the WCO or an up tempo offense instead of ground and pound)
              Frank Gore (if Williams is acquired, Gore gets traded for the most I can get)

              FB - Honestly, I have no idea. Maybe, Britt Miller???

              WR - Crabtree/Morgan
              TE - Davis
              LT - Staley
              LG - Iupati
              C - Baas (re-signed)
              RG - Logan Mankins / UFA (seriously doubt he stays in NE and if he isnt franchised, I would have no problem giving him a 3/5 year $21m/$35m deal. Will be 29 in the off-season and while $7m is probably high, he's one of the better OG's in the league, would be a HUGE upgrade over Rachal (who I would later trade for whatever I can get) and his veteran experience would help Davis at RT)
              RT - Davis

              DE - Smith
              DT - Franklin (franchised)
              DT - Haynesworth (traded 2nd round draft pick)
              DE - Lawson

              Backup plan - Franklin/Sopoaga at DT or trade 3-4 NT Franklin to WSH for Haynesworth which would give us a Haynesworth/Sopoaga combo at DT. For DE opposite Smith, a possible solution would be Vikings Ray Edwards.

              OLB - Bowman
              MLB - Willis
              OLB - Brooks

              CB - Spencer
              CB - Richard Marshall / UFA (Panthers)
              SS - Mays
              FS - Atogwe / UFA (Rams)

              K - Nedney
              P - Lee

              Obviously, I know that some things are far fetched but if we get Gruden and an OC that goes back to the WCO, I wouldnt be surprised to see Gruden go after McNabb if he hits UFA. Gore isnt going anywhere most likely but I would love to get Williams either way for an awesome one two combo.

              Mankins would be expensive but I think he would be worth it especially since I think he can help Davis improve and het him to where we want him to be. Haynesworth is 50/50.

              I do think that Marshall and Atogwe are definitely possible.

              Thoughts?

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              • Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
                And I cant speak for anyone else but I hate the Rooney rule but thats just me.
                while I have ranted about this before in another thread, the rooney rule would be far better suited for coordinator positions and position coaches than HCs.

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                • Originally posted by Brent View Post
                  while I have ranted about this before in another thread, the rooney rule would be far better suited for coordinator positions and position coaches than HCs.
                  I dont like it period. I dont care if a HC candidate is white, black, yellow, green, blue or a damn rainbow. I care about whether or not the HC is good enough to be a HC. Back in 2003, I was hoping for Dennis Green instead of Dennis Erickson. I could care less that Green is black. I wanted him because I thought he was (and is) a better head coach than Erickson.

                  Just like I think Gruden, Cowher, Billick was/is a better head coach than Vikings DC Leslie Frazier would be. But whatever, I want Jon Gruden. Interview Johnson to comply with the rule, hire Gruden and then fire Johnson and there ya go.

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                  • I'm all about a proven coach as well, but I'd make an exception for Harbaugh. Dude is legit.

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                    • Originally posted by Brent View Post
                      while I have ranted about this before in another thread, the rooney rule would be far better suited for coordinator positions and position coaches than HCs.
                      The Rooney rule needs to be axed. And this is a statement coming from a black man.

                      "Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness!"
                      -San Francisco 49ers: Five Time Super Bowl Champions-
                      Originally posted by Borat
                      Oh, my bad. Didn't realize SWDC was the pinnacle of class and grace.

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                      • Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
                        With our history, I want a GOD DAMN head coach who has already been an NFL HC and was successful at it.
                        Fair enough, but there's nothing wrong with interviewing good and promising coordinators and seeing what their plan is. If your looking for succesful NFL HC's potentially available on the open market, im guessing you like Gruden, Billick, or Cowher?
                        Last edited by 49ersfan_87; 10-26-2010, 02:16 PM.

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                        • Originally posted by 49ersfan_87
                          Fair enough, but there's nothing wrong with interviewing good and promising coordinators and seeing what their plan is. If your looking for succesful NFL HC's potentially available on the open market, im guessing you like Gruden, Billick, or Cowher?
                          To be honest, I wouldnt even bother interviewing coordinators and if York does this, its only because he's looking for a cheap hire to be the next HC and if this happens, im officially done caring and giving a damn because if the future owner doesnt care, why should I or any 49ers fan?

                          Me personally, I go after Gruden 100%. He's only 47 but has a lot of experience with the WCO and in general. He was in SF under Holmgren as an offensive quality control coach and then in GB as a WR coach and then in Philly as the OC under Ray Rhodes who was the DB coach for the 49ers for like a decade. Basically, Gruden is a branch of the Walsh coaching tree via Holmgren/Seifert. Gruden learned the WCO from Holmgren who learned it from Walsh and since we cant get Holmgren, im going for the next best option which is Gruden.

                          I wouldnt mind bringing back Seifert or even Mariucci as backup plans but my number one head coach is Gruden with Mornhinweg as the OC. DC im actually hoping for Jim Mora because he knows the 4-3 defense and like Mornhinweg, isnt going to be leaving in the near future. Mora was good but played too much of that zone crap. If he would play more man and be more aggresive especially with our defense being more talented than it was the first time he was here, I think we can easily have a top five defense.

                          3-4 wise, I would like Rob Ryan but he's going to be a HC eventually so I wouldnt want to see him turn into another Norv Turner for us. I want the three main pieces to be here long term and not have to worry about any of them leaving. Of course, since I would have them signed to exclusive contracts that doesnt even allow them to tal to other teams let alone leave, I wouldnt have to worry about that.

                          Billick would be second after Gruden and Cowher third. I lke Cowher more and think he's far better than Billick but I want an offensive based HC first and foremost.

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                          • Wade Phillips is a pretty great DC.

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                            • Originally posted by binary View Post
                              I'm all about a proven coach as well, but I'd make an exception for Harbaugh. Dude is legit.
                              I agree, he has that NFL pedigree in his time as an asst. & the Harbaugh bros. are so competitive among themselves he would love the chance to coach vs. his older brother on the Ravens.

                              And he is local, no team likes to stay local like the 49ers. If Luck came with him that would be the total pkg.

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                              • let's be frank, Harbaugh makes too much sense for this team.

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