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  • so why not wait for Luck next year
    The following things need to happen:
    • Luck needs to actually come out
    • Luck needs to avoid a Locker-like stock collapse
    • A team that does not need a franchise QB needs to come top
    • That team has to accept any trade offer we make, assuming a half decent season multiple firsts will have to be used (no-one, no-one is going to accept a single first and a thousand later round picks - "trading a whole draft away" won't happen period

    Basing our draft strategy this year on something that requires that many things to work out in our favour in the future for a prospect (let's remember there's no such thing as a sure fire franchise QB) is simply ridiculous. It's not the rest of us 'settling,' it's just reality.

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    • doublepost.

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      • Luck needs to avoid a Locker-like stock collapse
        A < superlative Senior Bowl does not constitute a stock collapse.

        The only QBs who wow scouts at all star games are the ones w/ the luxury of having their own college receivers in the same game w/ them. It takes a lot more than 5 days of practice to build timing or chemistry with receivers on even the simplest of patterns.

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        • Originally posted by abaddon41_80 View Post
          And none of those players is a better option than Smith. McNabb and Palmer are no better than him but will be much more expensive, Kolb is an unknown and (from what we have seen) likely worse than Smith, and there are no rookies that look like they are going to be starting this year. Who else is there available? Vince Young or Leinart? Orton maybe but he probably won't come cheap.
          Oh that is just BS and a ridiculous bias for Alex Smith right there. Alex has never been consistently successful yet he's better than all the other potential available players. McNabb and Palmer are better than Alex Smith for the record. Even if it's marginal at this point, they're better. What evidence is there to definitively believe that Kolb is worse than Smith. Not that I want him, but there is no evidence to say that. If anything it's the other way around. Kyle Orton is better than Alex. If he's available for a third, I say the 49ers jump on it.

          "Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness!"
          -San Francisco 49ers: Five Time Super Bowl Champions-
          Originally posted by Borat
          Oh, my bad. Didn't realize SWDC was the pinnacle of class and grace.

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          • here are all the 2011 QBs I would rather have than Alex Smith:

            Drew Stanton (DET)
            Trent Edwards (JAC)
            Luke McCown (JAC)
            Brodie Croyle (KC)
            Tyler Thigpen (MIA)
            Kellen Clemens (NYJ)
            Bruce Gradkowski (OAK)
            Dennis Dixon (PIT)
            Billy Volek (SD)

            Pick the Winners Champion 2008 | 2011

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            • Originally posted by Brent View Post
              here are all the 2011 QBs I would rather have than Alex Smith:

              Drew Stanton (DET)
              Trent Edwards (JAC)
              Luke McCown (JAC)
              Brodie Croyle (KC)
              Tyler Thigpen (MIA)
              Kellen Clemens (NYJ)
              Bruce Gradkowski (OAK)
              Dennis Dixon (PIT)
              Billy Volek (SD)
              Volek is old, but he would be nice. He never really got a fair shake in Tennessee.

              "Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness!"
              -San Francisco 49ers: Five Time Super Bowl Champions-
              Originally posted by Borat
              Oh, my bad. Didn't realize SWDC was the pinnacle of class and grace.

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              • Originally posted by LizardState View Post
                A < superlative Senior Bowl does not constitute a stock collapse.

                The only QBs who wow scouts at all star games are the ones w/ the luxury of having their own college receivers in the same game w/ them. It takes a lot more than 5 days of practice to build timing or chemistry with receivers on even the simplest of patterns.
                He probably meant from the moment he chose to stay in school up to this point, which includes but is not limited to a poor senior bowl. If you remember, he had a pretty bad senior season.
                Originally posted by Babylon
                It's called Karma for all the years with Montana and Young.

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                • A < superlative Senior Bowl does not constitute a stock collapse.
                  I know. However the difference in his draft stock between the end of his junior season and now is phenomenal. He didn't progress as expected and there are big questions about his accuracy and decision making. I like him and a I want him to succeed, but I am far from convinced with his viability. Especially in the first round.

                  For the purposes of the trade the draft away discussion: If Luck were to experience a similar regression having based this years draft/FA on acquiring what would no longer be the best QB prospect since [insert name] nexy year would become even more foolish.

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                  • After doing some research and reading on Luck, im sorry guys. I'm an idiot. I thought he was going back for his senior season, not his junior season and I thought that you had to finish your junior season before being able to enter the draft. My mistake. Obviously, nevermind as this was just another one of my stupid ideas.

                    *shuts up and goes sit in corner* :(

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                    • Originally posted by dan77733 View Post
                      After doing some research and reading on Luck, im sorry guys. I'm an idiot. I thought he was going back for his senior season, not his junior season and I thought that you had to finish your junior season before being able to enter the draft. My mistake. Obviously, nevermind as this was just another one of my stupid ideas.

                      *shuts up and goes sit in corner* :(
                      Don't forget your dunce cap.
                      The Brian Sabean sig is no more. I disagreed with you on so many levels. And then you went out and built a dynasty. I am lame.

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                      • Originally posted by Ness View Post
                        Oh that is just BS and a ridiculous bias for Alex Smith right there. Alex has never been consistently successful yet he's better than all the other potential available players. McNabb and Palmer are better than Alex Smith for the record. Even if it's marginal at this point, they're better. What evidence is there to definitively believe that Kolb is worse than Smith. Not that I want him, but there is no evidence to say that. If anything it's the other way around. Kyle Orton is better than Alex. If he's available for a third, I say the 49ers jump on it.
                        I am not sure if you watched McNabb at all last year, but he was godawful; significantly worse than Smith. Kolb, in his limited time, has generally looked worse than Smith. Palmer might be marginally better than Smith, though I am sure throwing to 2 of the best receivers of the last decade makes some difference, but he would be very expensive. Orton is better than Smith, no question, but I think he will likely be worth a 3rd and something else to the Broncos plus he will probably want a long term deal. Why go through all that trouble for what is supposed to be a stopgap solution? You are the one who is clearly biased against Smith. You literally said that you would rather have Matt Leinart over Alex Smith. In no way, shape, or form is Leinart a better option than Smith.

                        Drew Stanton (DET)
                        Trent Edwards (JAC)
                        Luke McCown (JAC)
                        Brodie Croyle (KC)
                        Tyler Thigpen (MIA)
                        Kellen Clemens (NYJ)
                        Bruce Gradkowski (OAK)
                        Dennis Dixon (PIT)
                        Billy Volek (SD)
                        Now you are just hating on Alex Smith for no reason. None of those QBs except Volek, and arguably Thigpen, has given any indication that they are better than Smith. Like Kolb they have all looked worse than him in the limited time they have seen.
                        Last edited by abaddon41_80; 01-30-2011, 03:42 PM.

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                        • Originally posted by Ness View Post
                          Except we wouldn't be winning, we'd be losing with Alex. As we have been since 2005.

                          And I don't see how he'd be the best option. He's a free agent. There are other players that will be available via free agency, trade, or even the draft. Not to mention Alex Smith may not even want to come back here. He may feel a change of scenery is in his best interest.
                          There's no one better via FA, they have to think trade and draft.

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                          • Originally posted by Ness View Post
                            Oh that is just BS and a ridiculous bias for Alex Smith right there. Alex has never been consistently successful yet he's better than all the other potential available players. McNabb and Palmer are better than Alex Smith for the record. Even if it's marginal at this point, they're better. What evidence is there to definitively believe that Kolb is worse than Smith. Not that I want him, but there is no evidence to say that. If anything it's the other way around. Kyle Orton is better than Alex. If he's available for a third, I say the 49ers jump on it.
                            Did you even watch Mcnabb play last year or are you going by what he did with Andy Reid? He's 34, he's injury prone, and he's always been more inaccurate than Alex...plus, he's proven that he's too dumb to pick up systems quickly (and Wash can keep him right up until preseason starts I believe). Mcnabb is a crap option brought up by people living in the past. Palmer and Orton are legit options, I believe both are either equivalent or better than Alex. BTW, Mcnabb is the only FA on that list, the rest are under contract.
                            Last edited by binary; 01-30-2011, 03:59 PM.

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                            • Originally posted by binary View Post
                              Did you even watch Mcnabb play last year or are you going by what he did with Andy Reid? He's 34, he's injury prone, and he's always been more inaccurate than Alex...plus, he's proven that he's too dumb to pick up systems quickly (and Wash can keep him right up until preseason starts I believe). Mcnabb is a crap option brought up by people living in the past. Palmer and Orton are legit option, I believe both are either equivalent or better than Alex. BTW, Mcnabb is the only FA on that list, the rest are under contract.
                              McNabb isnt a UFA. There's an option clause in his contract but the Redskins have until week one of the regular season to exercise it.

                              I dont think McNabb, Palmer or Orton are legit options. If Harbaugh thinks trading for a starting QB is the best move, im hoping for Packers Matt Flynn. I wouldnt go after any veteran QB because he'll be too expensive and just have to be replaced in a few years so whats the point?

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                              • Originally posted by abaddon41_80 View Post
                                Now you are just hating on Alex Smith for no reason. None of those QBs except Volek, and arguably Thigpen, has given any indication that they are better than Smith. Like Kolb they have all looked worse than him in the limited time they have seen.
                                No, I have a reason for hating on Alex Smith, he's not going to be successful in San Francisco and it's clear to everyone. It's time to cut ties and move on.

                                You're right, not many of those guys have given indication that they would be an improvement over Alex, but at least some of them (Gradkowski, Dixon, Volek) offer much more promise for next season than Alex Smith. He is a bust.

                                Pick the Winners Champion 2008 | 2011

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